Bigbadwooof said:

I wonder if they really will throw a former president in prison.

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Bigbadwooof said:

donwats said:

SirTripAlot said:

Cheney, the Sith Lord is a libtard?, or we are libtards cause we don't like Trump?

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The point I guess I'm making is that many of you do not understand the view of the right. Most likely because of your blinding hate for Trump.

Bush, Cheney, Romney etc are Rino's which is the same thing as a Libtard. They have controlled both parties for decades. They control the media, they control the FBI, they control most everything, they own controlling interest in most industries. etc etc.....

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What you're referring to is "Neocons" and "Neoliberals", or "centrists", "corporatists", "the ruling elite". You have identified a problem that we are all aware of in American politics, but you have misidentified the culprit.

I honestly don't think most Republicans would disagree with many left wing ideals, if they understood the true perspective of real lefties, as opposed to the strawman. We on the left support democratization of the workplace, government programs that facilitate and encourage the creation of Mondragon-like worker cooperatives, and German style worker councils. Our priorities are both economic and social, but I think anyone who is serious can plainly see that accomplishing our economic goals will have a downstream effect of accomplishing our social goals, as financial equality leads to other forms of equality.

We do not believe in authoritarian enforcement of our ideals, as that has been shown not to work throughout the world. We support empowerment of workers. Change happens from the bottom up.

Getting wrapped up in political figures and all of their scandals, distracts the people from what we ought to be focusing on. No president, senator, or representative is going to empower the people. It's just not human nature.

So no, I don't want to see Trump hung, as I said in an earlier post. I don't really care, honestly. He is a symptom of a disease. He is not the cause.

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donwats said:

Bigbadwooof said:

donwats said:

SirTripAlot said:

Cheney, the Sith Lord is a libtard?, or we are libtards cause we don't like Trump?

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The point I guess I'm making is that many of you do not understand the view of the right. Most likely because of your blinding hate for Trump.

Bush, Cheney, Romney etc are Rino's which is the same thing as a Libtard. They have controlled both parties for decades. They control the media, they control the FBI, they control most everything, they own controlling interest in most industries. etc etc.....

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What you're referring to is "Neocons" and "Neoliberals", or "centrists", "corporatists", "the ruling elite". You have identified a problem that we are all aware of in American politics, but you have misidentified the culprit.

I honestly don't think most Republicans would disagree with many left wing ideals, if they understood the true perspective of real lefties, as opposed to the strawman. We on the left support democratization of the workplace, government programs that facilitate and encourage the creation of Mondragon-like worker cooperatives, and German style worker councils. Our priorities are both economic and social, but I think anyone who is serious can plainly see that accomplishing our economic goals will have a downstream effect of accomplishing our social goals, as financial equality leads to other forms of equality.

We do not believe in authoritarian enforcement of our ideals, as that has been shown not to work throughout the world. We support empowerment of workers. Change happens from the bottom up.

Getting wrapped up in political figures and all of their scandals, distracts the people from what we ought to be focusing on. No president, senator, or representative is going to empower the people. It's just not human nature.

So no, I don't want to see Trump hung, as I said in an earlier post. I don't really care, honestly. He is a symptom of a disease. He is not the cause.

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Its not about political ideology anymore. My entire family has been life long democrats up until recently.

They let fentanyl pour right into our country. They intentionally divide and turn American against each other. They are bankrupting us and attempting to take away 2nd amendment rights. The border, ending our energy independence, the Jabs, psych meds, puberty blockers. Throwing patriots out of the military, the zombie heard's of immigrants.. They cant even teach kids the basic abc's anymore.

This has become more war like then political ideology. I can't go to the grocery store without running into someone who I haven't see in years saying the same shit that im saying. Its right outside your window about to kick your door down at this point.

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donwats said:

Its not about political ideology anymore. My entire family has been life long democrats up until recently.

They let fentanyl pour right into our country. They intentionally divide and turn American against each other. They are bankrupting us and attempting to take away 2nd amendment rights. The border, ending our energy independence, the Jabs, psych meds, puberty blockers. Throwing patriots out of the military, the zombie heard's of immigrants.. They cant even teach kids the basic abc's anymore.

This has become more war like then political ideology. I can't go to the grocery store without running into someone who I haven't see in years saying the same shit that im saying. Its right outside your window about to kick your door down at this point.

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When Hillary Clinton was nominated by the Democratic party, I refused to vote. I will vote for an inspiring candidate. A candidate who I feel endorses causes and views that I share

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Enlil said:

Trump did collude with Russia. That's not a crime though. It doesn't make him innocent.

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Psilynut2 said:

  Wether you voted for Hillary or Bernie you were voting for the same party . You could of had 80% of what you wanted but you chose to make the whole thing about a single man who promised you shit he never could have delivered and you got nothing 
  Bernie or bust gave you nothing .  Some Bernie supporters are just as gullible and fanatical as Trump supporters IMO .

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Psilynut2 said:

That's hilarious to me 
  Wether you voted for Hillary or Bernie you were voting for the same party . You could of had 80% of what you wanted but you chose to make the whole thing about a single man who promised you shit he never could have delivered and you got nothing 
  Bernie or bust gave you nothing .  Some Bernie supporters are just as gullible and fanatical as Trump supporters IMO .

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Bigbadwooof said:

I don't call myself a "Democrat", so I won't defend them, but I do consider myself left wing. When you identify as a Democrat, or a Republican, in our current political climate, it is an endorsement of the divisive sort of tribalism you're talking about. When you flame against 'libtards', and designate fellow citizens as your enemy, you lose sight of the real enemy.

Ideology is important. That is why you should vote based on the issues, and not party affiliation.......

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Well said dude!

I have a co-worker than gets so fired up about things. I totally hear him on and agree with him on so many points he makes. We have a very similar POV on many things, but he points the finger and his hatred towards the "Democrats" as the sole root/cause of all of our issues and thinks the Republicans are our savior and only hope to fix everything.

I lean left but I do not consider myself to be or identify as a D...I don't fall into that nasty divide/dichotomy, the whole thing just creates tribalism/divide and makes arguments go in circles and fingers pointing at the "other side"/"them".

It is wild how polarized/split this country has become, how people fall into the game of "one or the other", "us and them".







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I strongly disagree.  Hillary would have given me nothing I want, only corporate welfare.  Bernie at least gave the appearance that he was for the people and would push for things like Medicare for All.

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openmind said:

Bigbadwooof said:

I don't call myself a "Democrat", so I won't defend them, but I do consider myself left wing. When you identify as a Democrat, or a Republican, in our current political climate, it is an endorsement of the divisive sort of tribalism you're talking about. When you flame against 'libtards', and designate fellow citizens as your enemy, you lose sight of the real enemy.

Ideology is important. That is why you should vote based on the issues, and not party affiliation.......

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Well said dude!

I have a co-worker than gets so fired up about things. I totally hear him on and agree with him on so many points he makes. We have a very similar POV on many things, but he points the finger and his hatred towards the "Democrats" as the sole root/cause of all of our issues and thinks the Republicans are our savior and only hope to fix everything.

I lean left but I do not consider myself to be or identify as a D...I don't fall into that nasty divide/dichotomy, the whole thing just creates tribalism/divide and makes arguments go in circles and fingers pointing at the "other side"/"them".

It is wild how polarized/split this country has become, how people fall into the game of "one or the other", "us and them".


-OM

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Bandwagon said:

The republicans are the ones banning and burning books and attempting to censor history.

We already have a social credit system. Hint: It’s your literal credit rating and your arrest record

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