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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: 7Suns] * 1
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Hey,

New to the gourmet world and still new at using this forum. Anyone have a good link or writeup of where to get started for growing morels? I specifically have Morchella elata. From what I understand fruiting depends on forming sclerotia then inducing fruiting conditions? I was trying to look it up on my own but ran into some confusing/contradicting info.

Thanks y'all!


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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: SerMantis] * 1
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There are no official or proven teks for morels, it’s still trial and error aside from the few that have patented it, good luck, go back in this thread and read some of my updates


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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: 7Suns] * 1
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Anyone interested in experimenting with indoor morel cultivation, I strongly recommend building a fermentation chamber to maintain your spawned morel trays at proper fruiting temperatures, otherwise you’re pissing in the wind

Here’s my set up



Morels are in the ascomycota phylum same as yeast, ergot, Sclerotinia sclerotiorum, cordyceps, truffles and many others that grow in colder temperatures, overwinter and form sclerotia

Here’s a link to simple build all you need is a fridge and a temperature controller like the inkbird or willhi temperature controller between $20-$50 this way you can set temperature parameters between 50f - 65f




Here’s all the key information I’ve found so far through trial and error plus research,

a good starter material for spawn is 20% wheat bran or unused coffee grinds to 80% starch such as potato flakes, corn starch, rice flour etc etc, and enough water for field capacity, then you want to mix this with enough vermiculite or hydrated sawdust that it makes a light aerated substrate, place about 2 inch’s of this mix in quart jars or pp5 bowls and tamp it until firm, inoculate and let colonize for 2-4 weeks at room temperature, then cold stratify between 40f  -  46f for a minimum of 3 months, after stratification, spawn to sterilized 50/20/30 sand/clay/coir  mix in aluminum baking pans, (punch holes in bottom with toothpick) then soak until excess water runs out the bottom, toss in some grass seeds to germinate and return to 46f for another week, then bump the temperature up in the fermentation chamber to 55f with a tolerance of +/- 5f degrees
Maintaining these temps for 2-3 weeks before pins emerge.

(Rufobrunea do not require cold stratification only 55f and excessive water to trigger them)


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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: 7Suns] * 2
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More pictures of my morchella angusticeps (natural black morel) on rice/verm/coffee that were cold stratified for 6+ months, I just spawned to my no nitrogen (nutrient) soil mix of sand/clay/coir/lime




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Re: morel cult thread [Re: 7Suns] * 1
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Does anybody have spore print M.Rufobrunnea or dried mushrooms?

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Re: morel cult thread [Re: Blushing] * 1
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I have liquid culture of morchella rufobrunea from mycelium emporium


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Re: morel cult thread [Re: Blushing] * 1
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This is not reliable. No one knows how old the culture is and how many times it has been transferred. It can be very old and barren, so you won't succeed even if you don't do anything wrong.

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Re: morel cult thread [Re: Blushing] * 1
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I absolutely agree you should ideally start with a fresh specimen to guarantee health genetics, but I have to disagree where you say “no one knows, it could be barren” and I’m paraphrasing here but...

You will know if the morel cultures are senescence or not, by its ability to form pseudosclerotia, ive personally witnessed it using the same culture and same food source, it takes a bit longer then say cordyceps militaris but it does happen

Forms stones = not senescence :thumbup:


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Re: morel cult thread [Re: 7Suns] * 1
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So far, practically no one has verified that.The ability of a culture to produce sclerotia does not equal the ability to produce fruit. Morel can behave completely differently. The culture may produce sclerotia but be barren.

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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: 7Suns] * 1
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7Suns said:
More pictures of my morchella angusticeps (natural black morel) on rice/verm/coffee that were cold stratified for 6+ months, I just spawned to my no nitrogen (nutrient) soil mix of sand/clay/coir/lime





too cool stuff man. hoping to get into morels this upcoming year.


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Re: morel cult thread [Re: Blushing] * 1
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Blushing said:
So far, practically no one has verified that.The ability of a culture to produce sclerotia does not equal the ability to produce fruit. Morel can behave completely differently. The culture may produce sclerotia but be barren.


Strongly disagree from everything I’ve read and seen


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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: Munchauzen] * 2
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Munchauzen said:
7Suns said:
More pictures of my morchella angusticeps (natural black morel) on rice/verm/coffee that were cold stratified for 6+ months, I just spawned to my no nitrogen (nutrient) soil mix of sand/clay/coir/lime





too cool stuff man. hoping to get into morels this upcoming year.



Thanks man I’m glad I can help further the research


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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: 7Suns] * 1
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Have you ever seen the growth of morels in the interior? How do you know how old the culture was? If you do not have this experience, you are only speculating. Neither one knows the truth. We're just speculating. However, it is better to avoid this factor and work with fresh culture, because it is a completely unnecessary risk. You may be doing everything right and not getting results because of this factor.

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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: Blushing] * 1
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Blushing said:
Have you ever seen the growth of morels in the interior? How do you know how old the culture was? If you do not have this experience, you are only speculating. Neither one knows the truth. We're just speculating. However, it is better to avoid this factor and work with fresh culture, because it is a completely unnecessary risk. You may be doing everything right and not getting results because of this factor.



In the interior??


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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: Blushing] * 1
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Indoor cultivation, rationally.

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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: Blushing] * 1
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Blushing said:
Indoor cultivation, rationally.



I have successfully gotten morchella angusticeps to pin indoors but shortly there after aborted due to improper humidity

And you? What have you accomplished so far?

Your statement that “sclerotia can be barren” is illogical
In every successful patent or science publication where they successfully cultivated morels, it was from first developing healthy sclerotia, prior, its even stated that improper development of sclerotia will cause fruit bodies to abort, it sounds to me you need to do more research

According to your own logic, stating that no one knows, this means you don’t know either :shrug:

I’m telling you from 10+ years of research and personal experimentation and successfully primordia and sclerotia formation that you are wrong stating “sclerotia can be barren” that’s inaccurate and contradicts everything myself and others have demonstrated


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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: 7Suns] * 1
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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: 7Suns] * 1
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Exactly. I do not know either. Only those who have completed the whole process know this. Everyone else is just speculators. If you believe your claim, feel free to continue. I wouldn't risk anything and start a fresh culture.

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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: Blushing] * 1
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Sclerotia is necessary, but that does not mean that sclerotia from the old culture will produce fruit.

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Re: morel cultivation thread [Re: Blushing] * 1
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If it produces sclerotia it produces fruit

:trekfacepalm:

But I’m not here to change your mind, when I finally get fully developed fruit bodies we can discuss this theory of yours more lol


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