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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: J. Jack Flash]
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I use grass clippings exclusively for everything plant and myco related, instead of store bought straw/hay
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1560426
according to that ^^^
http://www.sonic.net/~snevel/documents/hay_faq
which is according to this ^^^^^
(although the link doesnt work)
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Straw has more fiber and less nutrition than hay.


Quote:
The younger the
plant is when the hay is cut, typically the higher protein and nutrition
in the hay, when compared to the same plant. The best hays are usually
cut before the plant flowers.


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The difference is how long the plant grows before it's
harvested.


hay is from young dried grass clippings (found in your yard)

as opposed to straw which is from mature dried cereal grain that have been farmed for seeds already.

It also says that hay is more nutritious than straw being that its younger and still has yet to flower.

This explains why its quick to contam rather than straw.

Edited by Trapezoid (07/09/19 08:09 PM)

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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: Trapezoid]
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fascinating. i wonder how the nutrition of continually "harvested" yard grass compares to hay that's been grown for a season and chopped all at once. probably about the same?

i guess there's my ignorance showing. explains why hay is for horses, and straw is for mulch.


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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: J. Jack Flash] * 1
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Where I come from straw is the rest product (stems) of any kind of harvested grains, such as rye or wheat whereas hay is long grass that is dried and baled end of summer to feed the animals during wintertime

Edit: in short:
- hay is fed to the horses / cows
- straw is what they crap on


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Edited by Tweeq (07/06/19 10:27 AM)

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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: Tweeq]
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Perfect explanation.

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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: Trapezoid]
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Hay is from grass...no matter what maturity. Straw is from grain, just like tweeq said. Wheat rye and oats are the main grains that straw is the byproduct of. I've used both, but prefer hay because it's generally finer. Straw is very coarse and stiff.

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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: Subfinder]
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Have you experienced a higher contam rate when using hay as opposed to straw?

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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: Trapezoid]
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Haven't noticed a difference between the two as far as contamination.

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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: Subfinder]
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So update time.  My agar dish is sectoring?  About 3/4 is fluffy white mycelium.  The other part is questionable but since these are cincts I'm not sure.  I might transfer both sectors to see what happens.  Pics later if I can get them.

I also have a print from d0urd3n which I'm putting to agar soon.


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Edited by MacMerdin (07/07/19 01:04 PM)

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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: MacMerdin]
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Is anyone else having an issue with their "pic" link?  I can't view or upload my pics.


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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: MacMerdin]
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MacMerdin said:
Is anyone else having an issue with their "pic" link?  I can't view or upload my pics.


I'm having the same problem


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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: Guymaira] * 1
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Ok so this is what I came home to after my vacation .these are all ms plates except the one pretty sure I have stones but it's so strange how it kind of stalled out. I'm going to mix up some stronger agar and make a transfer

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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: Mr.guy]
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One of the links in the OP had caught my attention. The site has some pictures of another project. It shows supposed sclerotia of Pan. cambodginiensis and Pan. tropicalis, what could indicate more Panaeolus spp. can form truffles? No background information mentioned..

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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: Poison Drink]
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The lawn pan in my signature did.



Not as impressive though.


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Edited by MacMerdin (07/08/19 06:17 PM)

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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: MacMerdin] * 2
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Prints were received and put to agar, Thanks again op and subfinder :heart:

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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: Trapezoid]
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Trapezoid said:
Prints were received and put to agar, Thanks again op and subfinder :heart:


Nice! Some of you guys waiting on prints right now will have to be patient. I had to send a lot of prints to a lot of places and keeping it all straight can be hectic! Lol

I just sent another round out and a couple people may get a second letter. All these ones have two prints...please put the second one to good use. Trade, give away, whatever.

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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: Subfinder]
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Still waiting on mine but highly excited to recieve them. Just out of curiosity can high ambient temps (such as the back of an unconditioned mail truck on a sweltering summer day) affect spores? Or is it just not hot enough?

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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: Mr.guy]
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I have also received a print a have a few plates looking almost as far along as yours.

Since the growth is so nonuniform where do you plan on taking a transfer from? Was initially thinking if stones are what we are after then perhaps the best spot to transfer from is where the mycelium has become more dense and stone-like?

Not sure if you've given it any thought or I am overthinking...

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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: Mr.guy]
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Mr.guy said:



Ok so this is what I came home to after my vacation .these are all ms plates except the one pretty sure I have stones but it's so strange how it kind of stalled out. I'm going to mix up some stronger agar and make a transfer



My question was mostly for you, but open to all input.

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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: TruffleRuffler]
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TruffleRuffler said:
Still waiting on mine but highly excited to recieve them. Just out of curiosity can high ambient temps (such as the back of an unconditioned mail truck on a sweltering summer day) affect spores? Or is it just not hot enough?


My question is the same. I'm sure the real damage will occur to spores that are hydrated, but can they survive high heat over a given period of time in their dry print form?

I had a syringe of Ps. cyanescens get ruined from the post man having my package rest on his passenger seat. Syringe was very warm to the touch and nothing was viable after I let it cool to room temp. Spores that I won't get reimbursed for.

Paid lesson; DON'T RELY ON THE POSTMAN! PICK UP YOUR MAIL EARLY AT THE OFFICE THAT DAY!


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Re: Blue Pearls Explorer's Thread - Panaeolus Cinctulus Sclerotia - Blue Truffles [Re: EntheogenicEric]
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Just popping an update pic in here, per 1WithU's request. Its been about 10 days since a "contam" scare that ended up being early sclerotia. Not every jar is like this, its about 50% very stoney, 50% white fluffy mycelium. It seems the ones that germinated earlier developed this way, the slower/ less aggressive growers from the multispore syringe are more uniform/fluffy.

Anyway pic is attached. Gonna move these to bulk w/ hpoo, coir, vermiculite, and gypsum soon. Try to get a couple fruitings and spore prints/LC clones out of em to continue working with them, then move the block outside into a hay bale mixed with horse some manure to see if it takes. Would love to see these pop up in a consistent outdoor spot.


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