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Difference between Hay and Straw - Which is Better?
    #1560426 - 05/19/03 04:56 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

The following was taken from this site:

http://www.sonic.net/~snevel/documents/hay_faq

Here is what they say about the differences:

Quote:

III. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN STRAW AND HAY?
Straw has more fiber and less nutrition than hay. Straw and hay can
actually be the harvested from the same plants (oat straw and oat hay for
example). The difference is how long the plant grows before it's
harvested. Hay is cut during the early stages of growth. The younger the
plant is when the hay is cut, typically the higher protein and nutrition
in the hay, when compared to the same plant. The best hays are usually
cut before the plant flowers. Straw, on the other hand, is allowed to
set seed and mature before cutting. This increases the amount of fiber
and decreases the amount of animal available nutrients in the plant.
Most grass/crop type plants die after they set seed, so all the nutrition
is transferred from the stems and leaves into the seeds. Straw is
typically a by-product of the grain industry.




So which is better for bulk - hay or straw? Or does it matter?

EDIT - actually, upon reading the next paragraph after this one at the website linked above, it says "hay" is supposed to be green with thinner stems than dried out straw. The reason I'm wondering is because Wallyworld sells this stuff that the makers call "hay" when it is actually straw.. Go figure.


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Re: Difference between Hay and Straw - Which is Better? [Re: Rustik]
    #1560474 - 05/19/03 05:14 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

yeah, what some thing is hay, is straw
and vice versa.

you want the more nutritious straw product.

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Re: Difference between Hay and Straw - Which is Better? [Re: afoaf]
    #1560534 - 05/19/03 05:31 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

hay is more nutritious than straw, but you want straw, people who have used hay int he past have had problems with contams - i'm not exactly sure what you're talking about.


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Re: Difference between Hay and Straw - Which is Better? [Re: Raadt]
    #1560557 - 05/19/03 05:39 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Here's what wallyworld has:

Hartz All Natural Timothy Hay, compressed mini-bale.

Guaranteed Analysis:

Min. Crude Protein: 7.0%
Min. Crude Fat: 1.0%
Max. Crude Fiber: 33.0%
Max. Moisture: 15.0%

But it's completely dried out, looks just like straw.


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Re: Difference between Hay and Straw - Which is Better? [Re: Raadt]
    #1560559 - 05/19/03 05:40 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

So, if hay is more nutritious, but prone to contams because of the nutrition, logic would tell me that Hay would be best for outdoor beds where contams arnt a worry? Is my logic correct?


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Re: Difference between Hay and Straw - Which is Better? [Re: Rustik]
    #1560563 - 05/19/03 05:41 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

you want the more nutritious straw product.




Quote:

Straw has more fiber and less nutrition than hay.




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Re: Difference between Hay and Straw - Which is Better? [Re: Raadt]
    #1560566 - 05/19/03 05:42 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

if hay is the younger, more slender product
wouldn't it be less nutritious?

you want straw, but I assumed that was
because it was a more nutritive medium.

meh.


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Re: Difference between Hay and Straw - Which is Better? [Re: Rustik]
    #1560582 - 05/19/03 05:46 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

So if it's labeled "Hay", it probably is, but it's dried hay, not green hay... And you're saying one may have contam problems with it b/c it's more nutritious?

Is there any place to get small amounts of straw? It's just that some people can't go and purchase a big ass bale of straw because it may look rather suspicious to the neighbors..


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Re: Difference between Hay and Straw - Which is Better? [Re: Rustik]
    #1560591 - 05/19/03 05:47 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Anyway, someone is pastuerizing some right now I'm sure... I may try and find them and see how it went for them.

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Re: Difference between Hay and Straw - Which is Better? [Re: Raadt]
    #1560601 - 05/19/03 05:51 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Well here at least, hay is from cut and dried grass (not the weed variety :tongue:) rather than coming from a cerial crop like oats. It seems to form quite a dense lump after being pasturised and packed in a tub rather than a nice airy block like straw, and is then prone to contaminate...oh, and potency was crap aswell.


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Re: Difference between Hay and Straw - Which is Better? [Re: Sorted]
    #1560645 - 05/19/03 06:03 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I found this - looks like I may have a chance, just gotta be really damn clean:

http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/7933


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Re: Difference between Hay and Straw - Which is Better? [Re: Rustik]
    #1560788 - 05/19/03 06:56 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Dude, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I wouldn't waste the spawn.

You want straw, you've got hay. The stuff you have will succomb to bacterial contamination and stink up your house in 4 days. Sorry.

Now, in the craft section at walmart they may have mini-bales of straw. This stuff they might call hay, but it's straw. Looks just like a straw broom, or hat. Blocks up to 12"X12"X6" for as cheap as a buck. They sell this stuff at craft stores too (Michael's calls it hay, but it's still straw).

Very few pet stores/depts. will ever have an acceptable straw, because most people feed their pets hay due to the higher nutrition in hay.

Search and you will find numerous reports of failed hay experiments. maybe 1/100 reports success.
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