Prisoner#1 said:

TeamAmerica said:

You are even more misleading...You point at the fact that the aryans did not condemn meat eating like its a justification for you...which I never said they didn't I said they practiced vegetarianism.

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see, again misleading, it's not that they didnt condemn eating meat,
they actually partook, your earlier vague statement also was meant to
lead us to believe that they were in fact some of the earliest
vegetarians of which a few may have been but it's obvious that if their
meat eating accomplishments were written about then the vast majority
were in fact not vegetarians

Most probably did partake in a vegetarian diet...seeing that it was written in their religion itself...




aryans make their first appearance in history around 2000 BC, still well
shy of the 7000 years ago. the vedic were in the same time period,
you're making up dates to try and illustrate your points

untrue...

http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/indians.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolian_hypothesis

http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/hinduism-forum/187192-indus-tradition-indo-aryans.html

Archaeological investigations have also shown that the Indus cultural
tradition represents the beginnings of the Indian civilization. This
tradition has been traced back to about 6500 B.C.

But again this is common knowledge that the indo aryans date back to at around 7000 years...

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BUT my mistake...It seems that the Rig vedas were started to be written around 1300 b.c when they invaded India which is understandable.

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loads of dates as well as other facts you're mistaken about

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Prisoner#1 said:

golden1 said:

You can get just as much nutrition not eating meat.

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that's a misleading statement, while it is possible to get all the
nutrition you can from meat in a vegetarian diet it's not always feasible,
as I mentioned, logistics play a large role, in some areas it's impossible
to get those foods needed and meat or eggs are the only available source

another thing to look at is bioavailability, you typically have to eat far
more veggies, fruits, nuts and legumes to get that nutrition

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Kada said:

Why do vegetarians assume people that eat meat don't also consume a variety of vegetables and fruits?? I have my own garden and I eat fresh or canned veggies all year round. I eat tons of plants.

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Kada said:

Why do vegetarians assume people that eat meat don't also consume a variety of vegetables and fruits?? I have my own garden and I eat fresh or canned veggies all year round. I eat tons of plants.

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blujay said:

How the flying fuck could you not eat eggs, it's like they were designed specifically for us to eat. What a crying shame waste.

You know what? Never mind. Keep up the crazy; more for the rest of us / less on the lot.

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TeamAmerica said:

.and that the fruits are so perfectly designed for your consumption

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TeamAmerica said:

You are in fact designed to eat much more plants than you, or any modern man would think about doing

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blujay said:

Marijuanna.

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Im out of it

TeamAmerica said:

Prisoner#1 said:

TeamAmerica said:

You are even more misleading...You point at the fact that the aryans did not condemn meat eating like its a justification for you...which I never said they didn't I said they practiced vegetarianism.

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see, again misleading, it's not that they didnt condemn eating meat,
they actually partook, your earlier vague statement also was meant to
lead us to believe that they were in fact some of the earliest
vegetarians of which a few may have been but it's obvious that if their
meat eating accomplishments were written about then the vast majority
were in fact not vegetarians

Most probably did partake in a vegetarian diet...seeing that it was written in their religion itself...




aryans make their first appearance in history around 2000 BC, still well
shy of the 7000 years ago. the vedic were in the same time period,
you're making up dates to try and illustrate your points

untrue...

http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/indians.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolian_hypothesis

http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/hinduism-forum/187192-indus-tradition-indo-aryans.html

Archaeological investigations have also shown that the Indus cultural
tradition represents the beginnings of the Indian civilization. This
tradition has been traced back to about 6500 B.C.

But again this is common knowledge that the indo aryans date back to at around 7000 years...

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BUT my mistake...It seems that the Rig vedas were started to be written around 1300 b.c when they invaded India which is understandable.

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loads of dates as well as other facts you're mistaken about

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Untrue...

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TeamAmerica said:

Im just saying you cannot deny their is a meat consumption problem...mainly in the US

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golden1 said:

Prisoner#1 said:

golden1 said:

You can get just as much nutrition not eating meat.

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that's a misleading statement, while it is possible to get all the
nutrition you can from meat in a vegetarian diet it's not always feasible,
as I mentioned, logistics play a large role, in some areas it's impossible
to get those foods needed and meat or eggs are the only available source

another thing to look at is bioavailability, you typically have to eat far
more veggies, fruits, nuts and legumes to get that nutrition

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What does that statement mislead you to believe? Obviously you have to have some sort of idea of what nutrients you are getting and what else you need to eat to be healthy.

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JackthaTripper said:

...and not be a vegetarian. 


How can you love all animals but kill them at the same time?

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highdroponics said:

JackthaTripper said:

...and not be a vegetarian. 


How can you love all animals but kill them at the same time?

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If plants had vocal chords, they'd probably scream too when you chop them down. Just because they don't vegheads such as yourself seem to justify killing and eating them as more 'right' than killing an animal, it's no different plants feel pain too. Essentially everything you as a human eats is a living thing and you need to stop being so empathetic as nature is what it is, the weak must die for the strong to thrive and all you're doing is depriving yourself of many beneficial nutrients ultimately putting you on the weak list by being so picky.

Call me morbid but I do what nature intended me to do, slaughter plants and animals and fill my stomach with their nutrients so I can live to see another day and I don't feel bad about it one bit because if I were out in the African Savannah right now some lion or cheetah or something would be stalking me down trying to eat me.

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TeamAmerica said:

once again I need some proof, first that we or fruits are 'designed'
It's just funny, I dont understand why you cant see this...

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Their are HUNDREDS UPPON HUNDREDS of plants that have SPECIFIC biological designs to be EATEN BY VEGETARIAN ANIMALS

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also where is the fact backed medical study that shows man is 'designed'
to eat plant matter more so than meat, try making it actual proof, not
hindu, vedic or aryan superstition

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Well in evolutionary theory...AN animals is adapted to his environment and diet...understand? SO an animals will EVOLVE BIOLOGICALLY to eat certain diets, you know a good example would be Darwins study on the bird that developed a bent beak to get into certain type of flowers...I dont really understand why you dont see what im trying to say...its quite simple...The more vegetation that is consumed the flatter the teeth

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flat like a blade which the incisors are? flat and blade like for shearing meat, or are we talking flat and anvil like for grinding foods

look, here's a human incisor, side profile, it's flat from the front but
looks an awful lot like the tooth of a carnivore on that profile


here's an image of a model for the same type of tooth, it helps you to
envision the shear like shape of the tooth that's only flat from the front



now since you use evolution of the tooth to prove your claims, explain
why humans teeth stop growing, herbivores have teeth that constantly
grow. the teeth of carnivores stop growing in adulthood as well, why are
human teeth not rough and jagged is we were meant to only eat plants




and where's the actual proof of design for plant eating

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BTW do you not find it in any way interesting the ancient sects that practiced vegetarianism? I know you may not like or understand history...But maybe there was truth to their beliefs? (obviously)

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a hand full out of thousands, practicing a belief system, pretty fucking
cultish if you ask me, something like scientology without aliens and DC9s

highdroponics said:

LOL

Don't know about you but I know how to catch shit with my bare hands, I don't need technology at all.

Good luck on catching a bull with your bare hands...He would probably ram you into the next life...

And as for the flat teeth argument, people have tried to justify that so many times, we also have canines which are useful in the tearing of flesh. Our bodies are also designed to process meat.

We are omnivorous.

Also for you information even chimpanzees have been found to eat meat.

I understand this lol...But we obviously are supposed to eat more plant material than chimpanzees.

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Prisoner#1 said:

golden1 said:

Prisoner#1 said:

golden1 said:

You can get just as much nutrition not eating meat.

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that's a misleading statement, while it is possible to get all the
nutrition you can from meat in a vegetarian diet it's not always feasible,
as I mentioned, logistics play a large role, in some areas it's impossible
to get those foods needed and meat or eggs are the only available source

another thing to look at is bioavailability, you typically have to eat far
more veggies, fruits, nuts and legumes to get that nutrition

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What does that statement mislead you to believe? Obviously you have to have some sort of idea of what nutrients you are getting and what else you need to eat to be healthy.

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what's misleading is that it mistakenly leads one to believe that
everything one would need for geed health on a vegetarian diet is
readily available when in fact it's not unless you're in a large city,
where I live, organic produce is grown at home, a 20 mile drive and
there's a selection that takes up as much room as the average computer
desk, an 80 mile drive and I may have something to choose from

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The fact stands that it is clearly wrong to say if you don't eat meat you are unhealthy.
If it was impossible for me to eat healthy without meat, I would eat meat. But that isn't the case.

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I'm not saying that, in fact most of my argument has been based on
anthropology and history, really nothing to do with health because the
fact is, both can be either healthy or unhealthy, it all depends on how
you manage it

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