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OfflineAeolus1369
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Madweed420shroom]
    #4206302 - 05/22/05 10:51 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Aeolus1369 said:
I think it's also really interesting how many diseases could be avoided if everyone was veggy. Obviously mad cow and stuff like that, but so many pathogens evolved in animals and only jumped the species barrier because of our close association with captive animals:
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flu > comes from poultry crammed together in asia
HIV > from eating bush meat in Africa
Streptococcus > certain virulent strains evolved from bovine mastitis
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Madweed420shroom said:
Links to proof please?







Just about any virology/bacteriology textbook will say as much. I did some searches for primary source information on pubmed and came up with a few links...

Flu

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The current widespread infections of commercial poultry flocks in many countries of Asia is not
a total surprise. The region is known to form an influenza epicentre where birds, other animals and
humans live closely together in conditions where viruses have the greatest opportunity to pass from
one species to another.

http://www.animal-health-online.de/drms/faoinfluenza.pdf




HIV

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This study suggests a high degree of human exposure to SIV through hunting and handling monkeys for their meat, which is a common practice in Sub-Saharan Africa. Transmission of SIVs is most likely through contact with infected blood or other secretions and possibly bites from pet animals.

http://www.innovations-report.de/html/berichte/medizin_gesundheit/bericht-8727.html




Streptococcus
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The reasons behind the rapid and sustained emergence of GBS neonatal disease have not been completely elucidated. A possible explanation has been acquisition by humans of bovine GBS, which is consistent with two previous reports showing that indistinguishable strains of GBS occur in both humans and bovines.

http://jcm.asm.org/cgi/content/full/42/5/2161?view=long&pmid=15131184




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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Aeolus1369]
    #4206343 - 05/22/05 11:08 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

There are a few theories about the origin of HIV. One states certain primates were cut up and used to create a polio vaccine which was injected into patients. Someone could give me a big chunk of human flesh infested with HIV and I would have little problem eating it. HIV is rarely (if ever) transmitted through eating. You would have to have some sort of open sore in your mouth or throat for direct blood to blood contact.


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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: newuser1492]
    #4206412 - 05/22/05 11:37 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

ya but doesn't ur food and nutrients get carried out into ur blood stream?


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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Delyrium]
    #4206417 - 05/22/05 11:38 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Delyrium said:
ya but doesn't ur food and nutrients get carried out into ur blood stream?



Nutrients do. The bad stuff is deposited into our colon.


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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Silversoul]
    #4206438 - 05/22/05 11:46 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

yeah.. most of it anyway. A lot of bad stuff stays in the system.
blood is partly responsible for carrying it out.. yet another reason to drink tons of water. Blood is made mostly of water, so is your brain.


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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Delyrium]
    #4206471 - 05/22/05 11:57 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Delyrium said:
ya but doesn't ur food and nutrients get carried out into ur blood stream?




HIV doesn't survive very well in the highly acidic environment of your stomach.


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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: newuser1492]
    #4206497 - 05/22/05 12:05 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

no one knows where hiv came from, bushmeat is suggested, but............ if they knew the original source they could work on a cure!


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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: cadam]
    #4206501 - 05/22/05 12:07 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

how would knowing the orgin help with a cure? its a virus


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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #4206529 - 05/22/05 12:14 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

personally, I think there's already a cure, and has been one for 20 years. And I also think HIV is a virus that was created in a lab.


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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Shroomism]
    #4206535 - 05/22/05 12:16 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

it was invented by the gays


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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #4206550 - 05/22/05 12:18 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

look on google, if they knew the origin they could learn how it created it's self and WHAT IT NEEDED etc etc. HIV was not invented by gays, hiv simply spreads easier through anal fluids than it does normal sex!! Could be a cure, could of been created in a lab, no one knows!


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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #4206553 - 05/22/05 12:19 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah...
the geh GOV't...

ROFLzzzzz! :laugh:

:shrug:


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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: cadam]
    #4206560 - 05/22/05 12:20 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Mm... anal fluids...


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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #4206562 - 05/22/05 12:20 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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HELLA_TIGHT said:
bad joke




:smirk:


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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #4206576 - 05/22/05 12:23 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

observe



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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Shroomism]
    #4206589 - 05/22/05 12:25 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

hahah


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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: newuser1492]
    #4206701 - 05/22/05 12:54 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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cb9fl said:
There are a few theories about the origin of HIV. One states certain primates were cut up and used to create a polio vaccine which was injected into patients. Someone could give me a big chunk of human flesh infested with HIV and I would have little problem eating it. HIV is rarely (if ever) transmitted through eating. You would have to have some sort of open sore in your mouth or throat for direct blood to blood contact.




Yes, what you say is true, but in the paper there is specific mention that it is during the butchering process that SIV was likely transmitted.

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HIV doesn't survive very well in the highly acidic environment of your stomach.




True, but neither does protein and yet mad cow is still transmitted to humans

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I also think HIV is a virus that was created in a lab.




Dammit, what are people basing this on? There's really no doubt in my mind that if something like HIV could be created in a lab, it would be. The reality though is the technology isn't there, nor are we even smart enough. The molecular biology of the virus is nothing short of miraculous (e.g. overlapping DNA reading frames).

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if they knew the origin they could learn how it created it's self and WHAT IT NEEDED etc etc




I'm sorry but this isn't the case. We know where many viruses come from (avian flu for one) and don't have vaccines/cures for a lot of them.

Ok, sorry (seriously) for the off-topic rant but there's just so much misinformation going around about HIV and AIDS that ought to be set straight. And I'm not pulling this stuff out of my ass. Maybe we could start a new thread if further discussion is warranted.

Peace,

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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Aeolus1369]
    #4206735 - 05/22/05 01:04 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Do you have a better explanation for the why HIV virus just exploded out of nowhere, only in certain areas.. and mostly in the gay and minority population.. after massive hepatitis vaccine injections?

Anyway.. gotta love those veggies :smirk:


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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Aeolus1369]
    #4206740 - 05/22/05 01:05 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

BAM


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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Aeolus1369]
    #4206831 - 05/22/05 01:32 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Where is your documented proof from a reputable source that HIV is transmitted via food?


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