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I've been thinking about possibly going vegetarian, or at least cutting down my meat consumption but there's a problem: I hate vegetables(well, most of them anyway) and I love meat. Is there any hope for me?
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why do you want to do this?
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I have the exact same dilemma. The only way I can think of to help myself enjoy cooked vegetables is to make them really flavorful. Also, I'm not suggesting you starve yourself, but anything tastes good when your reallllly hungry.
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Are you sure you hate vegetables or is it just a conditioned reflex? Before I re-became vegetarian (was born vegetarian, and didn't eat meat until I was like 12... then started being vegetarian again around the age of 16), I thought that I hated vegetables. Then I tried a lot of them that I thought I hated, and it turned out they were damn good. Spices, soy, chickpeas, more spices, lentils, beans, nuts, more spices - these are all the friends of the vegetarian... Take up Indian cooking if you want to eat healthy veggie food that tastes damn good as well. Just a thought
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Re: Vegetarianism? [Re: ]
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mushmaster said: why do you want to do this?
I've been learning about how it takes up more resources to produce meat than to produce crops. This doesn't have anything to do with animal rights or any of that bullshit. I just want to do my part to lower my resource consumption. Besides, I have really unhealthy eating habits, and I eat way too much meat.
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Re: Vegetarianism? [Re: Krishna]
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I totally agree with Krishna. I was worried about the same thing when I decided to go (pesco) veggie, but it's been about 4-5 months now and I don't miss meat at all. There are plenty of meat substitutes like soy and tofu too, having stuff like that helped me in the beginning. Going veggie also helped me improve in the kitchen (I could make toast and boil eggs). I cook my own meals now because my family still eat meat, and it's not the chore I used to think it was. I got a few recipe books and now there's no shortage of things to try. I agree on the Indian cooking too, homemade vegetable curry can be very nice.
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I've been learning about how it takes up more resources to produce meat than to produce crops
I just want to do my part to lower my resource consumption. Besides, I have really unhealthy eating habits, and I eat way too much meat.
if you've got reasons, and they're important enough to you, it shouldn't be a problem to give up meat, or at least cut way back. you just gotta find some non-meat foods that you like to eat. it would be easier if you had access to a kitchen.
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Re: Vegetarianism? [Re: ]
#2351644 - 02/18/04 06:05 PM (19 years, 11 months ago) |
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You can meditate on all the life energy you receive by eating your food raw and organic. I have been a raw food vegan for 11 years and it feels great
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Re: Vegetarianism? [Re: shroomsi8]
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I think meat is really addictive. I didn't eat it for years and years and was a vegan for years and years. Then when I went travelling was put in alot of positions where I would have seemed insulting if I didn't eat it. Once I had the taste I couldn't stop and became a carnivore(only for a while). When I was vegan I never missed it though. I am in the process of stopping eating meat again and it feels really good.
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i have not ate any animals in over 5 years. there is all kinds of stuff besides just veggies to eat. there is all kinds of soy stuff, imitation, chicken nuggets, hot dogs,burgers,ground beef. chiken patties. some of it tastes alot like real meat, mainly the hot dogs and burgers. the name brands are Boca, morning star, and a few others i cant remember the names. anything you get from meat, you can get from many other sources. after not eating meat in so long there is no way i would eat meat again, only way possible would be if i was stuck some place starving to death then servival instincts come into play (survival of the fittest) to stay alive would be the only way. i cant beleive i ate it for so long. i was brought up to think it was ok,just like 95% of the population thinks.people in USA think its fine to eat cows, and people in india think we are nuts, kinda the same way in other countries people eat cats and dogs and US people think thats nuts. if meats so safe to eat, why does it need to be cooked to kill all the germs in it,even after cooked some of it can still kill you. on every menu at a resturant it says its unsafe to eat meat thats not fully cooked. the reason its not safe is because its crammed packed with bacteria. as mad cow desease and othe sickness come from consuming dead animals. some will realize to stop,some wont, maybe its the earth way of killing of some of the more primitive humans and allow the other humans to continue to evolve further? just a thought
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Re: Vegetarianism? [Re: EMERLAD]
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I was a vegetarian for a couple of years, for a variety of reasons. I totally relate to what emerlad said. It can be very awkward in certain social situations to turn your nose up at food served to you(like meeting your girlfriends parents for the first time). And bacon just tastes sooo damn good! I still limit the amount of meat that I eat, but I'm hooked on it.
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Im vegan, its not as hard as it seems. Theres a lot more of those soy fake products available. search "vegan(or)vegetarian recipes" on google, theres quite a few ways to cover the taste of veggies. Pasta is a pretty big impact on my diet, if you like pasta, theres hope for you. Feel free to PM me about whatever . depending on your age, you might want to check out www.peta2.com, although most of the little peta kiddies are nazis, you can pick up a lot of good info on their message boards.
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If you don't eat meat, don't you get little vaginas growing on you?
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Re: Vegetarianism? [Re: ask]
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Alright dude, I just want to make clear that I'm not cool with people bashing on meat-eaters. It's natural for us to eat meat. It's how the food chain works. The only problem I have with it is the way that we're expending so many resources on the globe and the earth can't continue to sustain our level of consumption for very long as the population continues to grow. I don't even want the whole world to stop eating meat. I just wish that enough people would become vegetarian to cushion the impact we're having on the earth, and it wouldn't be very fair of me to ask other people to do this if I didn't do it myself. PS: FUCK PETA!!!
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Come to Vancouver, every yuppie in my hood is a veggie. But, more meat fer me. If I eat meat, I try to get frum back home on the farm, my very own pasture fed beef. Free range meat. Or wild meat like elk and moose. I'm not really down with store bought meat. I have been to feed lots and pushed thousands of cattle through auction markets that came frum these place. I feel dsorry for the beef and all the hormones the pump into them. BUt ah well, this is the world we live in a present time.
Oh, and veggies have feeling too.
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Re: Vegetarianism? [Re: dastats]
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Oh, i fergot to mention, i think it portabellos, or shittakes or both that contain like 20 grams of protein per mushroom. I could be wrong. I basing that on something I think I heard, but am not 100% on.
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Re: Vegetarianism? [Re: dastats]
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Oh, and veggies have feeling too.
That's beside the point. I'm not doing it out of any concern for animals. I'm doing it out of concern for people and the environment in which we live.
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Well, tonight I ate an almost-vegetarian dinner. The only meat was the little bacon bits on the potato skins. Besides that, I had fries and a salad. I think I might be able to get used to this afterall.
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Well, tonight I ate an almost-vegetarian dinner. The only meat was the little bacon bits on the potato skins. Besides that, I had fries and a salad. I think I might be able to get used to this afterall.
Bacon is one of the worst meats! Personally I think that meat can be okay when raised the right way, and meat that is raised well is better for the person eating the meat , better for the planet and better for the animal. However even the Organic cow or chicken still absorbs "natural" pollution, but the less fat the less chemicals, however personally, I only eat eggs, free range eggs . And milk is just fucking sick...... www.notmilk.comMilks NEVER does a body good,thats a lie But I do know there are people that rasie meat with a higher standard out there, and actually just saw a episode of The Nature of Things the other day about organic ranchers and farmers and it was really cool Dairy is just WRONG
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Re: Vegetarianism? [Re: ask]
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the reason its not safe is because its crammed packed with bacteria. as mad cow desease and othe sickness come from consuming dead animals. some will realize to stop,some wont, maybe its the earth way of killing of some of the more primitive humans and allow the other humans to continue to evolve further?
Well if we continue down this line of thought we could say the poor people of the world are going to die out cause they are not as evolved??
Who would die with disease outbreaks???, most the first or third world?, whos does right now?? 
We have the infrastructure, to help ourselves better, so to wish for disease is to wish a quick death to the worlds poor 
While I agree that our food is horrible, I dont think a bunch of north americans will be dropping off in big numbers anytime soon, the sad thing is that the people who give more respect to the earth, or just dont have the means to trash it, they are the ones that suffer from our way of life.
And alot of them DONT EAT MEAT 
and just cayse you dont eat meat doesnt make you SUCH a HIGHER species , geZZ!, maybe if your brain function was better etc.
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maybe its the earth way of killing of some of the more primitive humans and allow the other humans to continue to evolve further?
Who really suffers from the noth america WHOLESALE RAPE of the earh, US??, or the worlds poor???
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Oh, fuck that! Milk 0wnz j00.
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I used to drink it out of the jug and chug it straight.
I also used to have tons of pimples and other health problems.
Herbal teas(certain mixes), no white sugar and no MILK, cured that though.
Female peach owns me milk is cow pusshitpissetcetcetc
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I'm not sure, but judging by the url, I think that site might be a bit biased.
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So what????
This is a simple issue, read the facts, and check the sources and the doctors that agree etc
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I usually drink soy milk. I especially like the brand Silk. It just tastes damn good, and also doesn't give me that phlegmyness(is that a word?) in my throat like real milk. Their chocolate soy milk is REALLY good too!
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Dude, it's not like you would be restricted to just eating lettuce and cabbage and carrots 
There's LOTS of other stuff... there's all kinds of fruit there's all kinds of pasta there's all kinds of beans there's all kinds of rice there's all kinds of vegatables there's all kinds of dairy products there's all kinds of grain products there's all kinds of seafood
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I personally am proud to be an omnivore . Mother nature gave me insissors for shreading meat , and mollars for grinding vegies , this is what makes us such a versatile and addaptive species . Well one of them anyways . Veggies require the use of resources also , just as much as rasiing a cow in some cases . And just as harmfull , depending on the source of said veggies , commercially grown ones contain pesticides , bacteria , harmful metals , and now with genetically engineered ones (to aid in feeding the masses ) , who knows these side effects yet ....... Choice people is the key word , there is no wrong and no right life is based on the dying of other species for survival of all species . There is also an old saying that kind of applies "To much of any one thing can be harmfull , no matter how good it seems " , so Balance is the key to life . Just a thought , sorry if I invoked anger in any of you . Trip n D
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I understand your reasoning here, but the reason why it takes more resources to produce meat is because you also have to grow veggies to feed the livestock, rather than just growing them to feed people.
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http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/0577.html
See, that's your problem. Everything you post is always so one-sided. Yes, milk has its downside, but it also has its health benefits. Anyway, even if it were as bad as you say, I don't care. I'm not in this for my health, and I'm certainly not trying to be some Vegan nazi.
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Land for crops takes up a lot of space , water to hydrate , fertilizer (from animals) to nourish them, farmer getting dirty , truck to ship them . Sounds like a vicious circle to me , one hand washes the other , and both require time and resources to put them on our tables . So this is poor reason to down meat eaters , by saying their "choice" of eating habits takes more energy from Mother Earth . B A L A N C E ! Nature is nothing more than a finely tuned balancing act , and we must all do our part to keep it in balance . Take what you give , and give back more than you take . Life would be so grand if that was the case !
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Land for crops takes up a lot of space , water to hydrate , fertilizer (from animals) to nourish them, farmer getting dirty , truck to ship them . Sounds like a vicious circle to me , one hand washes the other , and both require time and resources to put them on our tables . So this is poor reason to down meat eaters , by saying their "choice" of eating habits takes more energy from Mother Earth .
You're not listening. Yes, crops take up space and water, but you have to grow way more crops to feed all the animals that we eat than you would to just feed ourselves with them. Educate yourself about the first and second laws of thermodynamics. Much more energy is lost when you eat a primary consumer(herbivore) than when you eat a producer(plant). This means that you have to have a lot more producers(plants) to feed more primary consumers(herbivores). I've been learning all about this in my environmental studies class(and no, the teacher isn't a vegetarian).
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B A L A N C E ! Nature is nothing more than a finely tuned balancing act , and we must all do our part to keep it in balance . Take what you give , and give back more than you take . Life would be so grand if that was the case !
I agree that balance is key, but the way people are eating in America is very unbalanced. The world population is growing exponentially, and eventually we will reach the point where the environment cannot sustain us any longer. The amount of human growth the environment can sustain depends largely on our resource production, and since it takes much more energy to produce meat than to produce fruits and vegetables, we could sustain more human growth if we cut down on our meat consumption. I don't even think I'm going to go completely vegetarian. I'm just going to try to cut down my meat consumption. Also, I sincerely hope that you don't think I'm dissing on meat-eaters. I'm not one of those PETA nazis that thinks that eating meat is evil. Hell, I'm cutting down on meat in my diet so you don't have to.
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Veggies require the use of resources also , just as much as rasiing a cow in some cases .
Really and what veggies would those be????
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See, that's your problem. Everything you post is always so one-sided.
Not true, like I said I dont think eating meat is SO BAD, when the meat is raised well, your just whining about what I said in OTD...... Anyway...I am not a "vegan nazi" I am not even vegan and up until recently I ATE CHICKEN AND TURKEY etc, now I stick to free range eggs, which is what I said. Dairy however is just fucking WRONG and health benifits?, well I do know that swiming around in the TOXIC soup that is milk there are some vitamins etc, but soy milk wins there to, in lots of cases. There is less calcium in milk then in potato chips! Oh and I said eating meat is OK, so stop messing with my words its bad enough you said "See, that's your problem. Everything you post is always so one-sided. " I eat (some)meat! (and meat raised well wether I eat it or not has my..um...stamp of approval. DAIRY , however is ..............satan Please if everything I post is so one sided , please go bnack through my posts and educate me, better yet get an opinion and actually belivve in something, cause your wishy washy , here and there approch to this makes you seem like you cant have one of your own, you just want to make friends and pick sides. Well I have an opinion sorry
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Not true, like I said I dont think eating meat is SO BAD, when the meat is raised well, your just whining about what I said in OTD......
That's another problem I have with you--you assume too much. I'm referring mostly to your posts in PA&L where you rely so heavily on the most biased sources possible. BTW, how can you sit there and tell me that you eat meat but that dairy is not only unhealthy but evil? Grow up, please.
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That's another problem I have with you--you assume too much. I'm referring mostly to your posts in PA&L where you rely so heavily on the most biased sources possible. BTW, how can you sit there and tell me that you eat meat but that dairy is not only unhealthy but evil? Grow up, please.
When I called Dairy satan it was a joke,and I am older then you buddy If you read my posts, I USED to eat chicken and turkey, but these days I only eat eggs. The Pal forum???, oh you mean the conservative party, well I dont post there anymore, .........much. And why is everything I say bias? When I link........ www.corpwatch.org you have a problem with that? or www.fair.org Like I said you just want to BELONG and would rather AGREE then think it seems, and I am not saying you have to agree with me, cause you clearly dont , but it seems you let other do the thinking for you. Please I want you to go back through my posts and show me the error of my ways, if I am SOOOO BIAS point it out , show me, cause you are grapsing at straws. I am not BIAS I have an opinion and I use facts to support that opinion, try it, you might like it better then just nodding
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Oh an d congradulations!!!! I think we killed what was an interesting thread
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It's not so much that you use those links, but that you act like they're the gospel truth and that anyone who disagrees is brainwashed. And this has nothing to do with belonging. You're posts in there made the left look bad, and so in order to not make my side look like a bunch of idiots, I had to distance myself from your posts. Anyway, I have no desire to argue with you any further.
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i was just rambling, talking, whatever dont take me to serious! but to do the at me for opinions is alot like me at a person that thinks there view point is any more valid than my own or like led zep told me "ramble on...." in my years of not eating animals its so simple to see that people that like to eat meat will, and those that dont like to will not. to try to change a persons ideas about eating animals is like trying to drag 30 horses to a lake and getting them to take a drink of water they just shit in! try to talk to someone about evolution thats a bible nut,its the same deal. i would not eat a human its a creature on earth with a nervious system,nor would i eat a cat,dog,cow,or pig. they are all much more evloved beings on this plant than a potato or an apple, or a soy bean. plants, friuts,beans,nuts, contain many more of the things my body requires to exist on this planet. i was not getting technical, beacuse that would be volumes and volumes of writting. people eat animals to live, or they would die, and poor people suffer first. yes i know,either way poor or not,eating animals is weeding out the population on this planet... live long and prosper
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You are the one not listening to your own words . One minute you agree the next you try to convert . With out distruction there is no creation , and vise versa for you half full of water types . One is no better than the other they are equally CO DEPENDENT , cows eat grain that is not good for human consumption , grain takes time , space , money , and resources to produce . Cow shit is used to make fertilizers , to aid in the growing of grains we eat . And what do we as a species return to them ? Either way they get eaten !!!!!!!!!!!! It sucks being at the top of the food chain ..... huh ???????? What shall I eat tonight ???????? BEER STEAK AND BOOBS!!!!!!!! (I do agree with the milk hater ..... how vile , mamma cuts us off the teat by age 2 , and what do we do ? We drink the mammory juice of other animals , what a vile habit , but that makes us human I suppose .) PS Thermodynamics ......... ? I am in HVAC industry and what I learned does not apply to the choice of eating or not eating meat cause it takes more resources to produce . Maybe I am ignorant to your concept of knowledge , but thermodynamics ...... Heat can neither be created or destroyed Heat seeks cold The energy of heat can be transferred by conduction , convection , and radiation . How about Daltons Law , or Charles Law, or Boyels Law do they also apply to this concept .
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I am not trying to convert anyone here. I'm just explaining why I'm making my decisions. If you plan on eating steak tonight more power to you. I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with eating meat. It's just our heavy reliance on it that is causing us to use way too many resources in consuming it.
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Name a case where resources out way the nesessity , and where maybe just as much as raising a cow . How about the rose industry , especially since VD just past us , or does the 75$ a dozen out way the waste of resources to produce millions of them . Brocoli and Califlower take a lot of energy to produce and harvest , Asparagus takes up tp 2 years before it is harvestable , that a lot of time and energy Citrus fruits , shit they use huge fans in FL during freezes to save the crop , look at all the natural resources used to supply power to those fans !~ Co dependent is what we are , symbiotic in some rare cases . Why dont we all just strip naked , grow lots of hair , live in caves , and grunt !!!!! Oh god no, then we would have to get up off our lazy asses and pick nuts and berries , or worse go kill our own dinner . Instead of jumping in our fossil fuel driven , pollution machine , ggo to a nicely heated or cooled , well lit building . HMMMMMMMMM See what I mean by vicious circle ! With no evil there is no good , just empty !
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Why must you insist on mocking me like this? I'm not telling anyone how to live.
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Sorry for assuming you were trying to convert , but it sounds that way when you tell me to go educate myself . I still stand life is all about choices , make them for your self and seek self balance , do not expect others to hoist you up to martyrdom for not eating meat so they can eat more if they like . Thats great you are considering being a vegan ! True vegans eat no eggs , fish , or dairy , keep that in mind . Good Luck Ps Eat more mushrooms ! May The Mushroom Goddess Bless All Your Endeavors !
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I am sorry for sounding as if I was mocking . You just sound as if you are making choice to become a vegan cause it will save your soul or something , or folks will like you more . Sorry if I am way off base there , but when folks try to say one is worse than the other irks me to no end . No matter what ... we humans are wastefull creatures no matter what we eat ! We all have a choice and why bicker about whose choice is better . And no I must admit you are not "telling" folks how to live their lives , just sharing a choice you have made , I am wrong for intruding !
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ops, not meat to reply to your post silversoul. just at the entire topic in general, i clicked on "last post" by accident. top of the food chain? i think plants are at the top, without them you die they let you live. your a slave to them, why do you think they taste good and look pretty and catch the eye? to catch you! your a slave to a friuts and veggies! people that think "what do you think animals are here for,? us to eat." have a LARGE ego,and a bit to much pride. i think other animals are here sharing the planet with us, and have just as much right to be here as i do. dont get me wrong,no shit we are much more advanced, and we use that power to destroy everything around us way to often. but that does not mean we have to.
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Thats great you are considering being a vegan !
Whoa, whoa, wait a minute! Have you even read a word I typed? I never once said anything about becoming vegan. I said was thinking about becoming vegetarian. Well, not even that, really. I just want to cut down on my meat consumption.
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You just sound as if you are making choice to become a vegan cause it will save your soul or something , or folks will like you more .
I have said no such thing. I've said over and over again that there's nothing wrong with eating meat. It's just that we Americans eat way too much of it.
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Sorry if I am way off base there , but when folks try to say one is worse than the other irks me to no end.
I hate it when people say that too, which is why I didn't say it.
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OOOOPPPPPPPPPPPS MY BAD ! I did misread there , I thought you were the original poster , easy to get lost when bouncing from forum to forum and answering PM's . Fuck beat me down , burn me in flames I deserve it right now . I need to toke on the "B" , slow down . Knelling down at SS's feet begging for forgivness........  PS but you did say thinking about it ? Considering ?
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silversoul7 said: I've been thinking about possibly going vegetarian, or at least cutting down my meat consumption but there's a problem: I hate vegetables(well, most of them anyway) and I love meat. Is there any hope for me?
meat tastes good. therefore i eat it. everyday. i lived in texas for five years. vegetarianism is a joke deep in the heart of texas.
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Where the men are men ! And cows are for fun ..........
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Whats the difference between Vegetarian and Vegan?
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Re: Vegetarianism? [Re: MOTH]
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Vegetarians avoid eating meat. Vegans avoid ANY animal products, including dairy products and eggs.
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I always thought they were one in the same , learn something new every day when you try huh ????? What is an octovarian ?
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Can you be a vegetarian and still eat seafood products? Giving up fish, shrimp and oysters would be difficult.
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Re: Vegetarianism? [Re: MOTH]
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They have their own special name , I can not rember it now , perhaps when my halfzimers fades away I'll remember it .
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Re: Vegetarianism? [Re: MOTH]
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if it has a central nervous system you cant eat it
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Re: Vegetarianism? [Re: Infrared]
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Did you know some say that brocoli has a rude nervous system , they even say it can feel pain . So if a Vegan ate Broco , what would that make him , if this theory is true , how would that make them feel ?
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plants do not have a central brain though. although some do have a "nervous system" its a very loose definition of the term. have you heard of the acacia trees that emit odors when an animal starts to eat its leaves?
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Re: Vegetarianism? [Re: Infrared]
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DeepBlue42 said: if it has a central nervous system you cant eat it
So jellyfish are ok?
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i dunno im not a vegetarian. i was just making a broad statement, majority of what vegetarians avoid are things/animals that feel pain and are exploited by humans. there are exceptions to every rule though
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Re: Vegetarianism? [Re: Infrared]
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So if it has no "brain' in our (human) terms ..... It okay to eat it ? HMMMMMMM Sounds like human nature at its brightest to me ! Yes I heard of the acacia trees response to animals eating its leaves . Kinda seems like some form of higher learning ability to me (brainless or not) if I stink real bad when a giraffe comes maybe it wont eat my life producing leaves . Oh god evolution .................... lets not go there . I chose broc because we eat it a lot ........well some folks do ........ Any who gotta go burn some brain cells off ........ Have a great night all , catch ya some other time , some other place , but always the same old soul . Trip n D
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from my understanding from talking to vegans and vegetarians, most dont see eating another living animal as wrong. more or less they see the manner in which the animals are treated as wrong. which i agree with completely, slaughter houses are sick.
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Re: Vegetarianism? [Re: MOTH]
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There is a good wiki article on the different types of vegetarianism here for those interested (that would make me a pesco vegetarian). I wonder if there are any fructarians here?
Interesting tidbit (from link above): Steve Jobs, co-founder of Apple Computer, was a fruitarian during the 1970's.
"I was actually a fruitarian at that point in time. I ate only fruit. Now I'm a garbage can like everyone else. And we were about three months late in filing a fictitious business name so I threatened to call the company Apple Computer unless someone suggested a more interesting name by five o'clock that day. Hoping to stimulate creativity. And it stuck. And that's why we're called Apple."
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It's not so much that you use those links, but that you act like they're the gospel truth and that anyone who disagrees is brainwashed. And this has nothing to do with belonging. You're posts in there made the left look bad, and so in order to not make my side look like a bunch of idiots, I had to distance myself from your posts. Anyway, I have no desire to argue with you any further.
Not true, "you act like they're the gospel truth and that anyone who disagrees is brainwashed" thats bullshit, like I said, my posts are logged in the server as are yours so if what you say is true you could prove it right???
You are just all over the place, I repect peoples opinion but at the same time I HAVE ONE I may post a link and a thought but you sling mud and make up lies.
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"You're posts in there made the left look bad, and so in order to not make my side look like a bunch of idiots, I had to distance myself from your posts."
Yor side????
So what, you represent the left?

personally I dont have a SIDE only logic , so say all the crap you want, you attacks are articulate but untrue.
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This is not aimed at any "one" person , but one for us all to ponder .
You are young, my son, and as the years go by , time will change , and even reverse many of your present opinons . Refrain therefore , awhile from setting yourself up as a judge of the highest matters . Plato
At the time , many saw Plato as a leftest.... so to say
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