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vegetarians are killing animals
#4271304 - 06/08/05 10:52 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill
interesting, eh
i agree with that guy, also i think eating meat is key to survival its part of the food chain it happens all through nature
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: XUL]
#4271477 - 06/08/05 11:36 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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While we're at it, FUCK PETA
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: XUL]
#4271698 - 06/08/05 12:29 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Even if combines aren't used to harvest your food, you think that buying fruits and vegetables (organic or otherwise) is any better? How do you think they get rid of bugs that eat crops in large fields? You think they just put up signs and ask parasites to politely go somewhere else? Actually, I wouldn't put that suggestion past you hippies. One of the methods they use to get rid of pests is to introduce a high level of predators for each particular prey, which wreaks all sorts of havoc on the natural balance of predator/prey populations--causing who knows what kind of damage to the environment. Oops, did I just expose you moral-elitists for being frauds? Damndest thing.
hahahaha, this guy rocks.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: XUL]
#4271774 - 06/08/05 12:48 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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i dont think this guy knows what organic means...
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Chairman Meow]
#4271818 - 06/08/05 12:57 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Who cares, hes bashing stinky hippies.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: SoopaX]
#4271829 - 06/08/05 12:59 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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uh - not all vegetarians are "stinky hippies". and i just feel like this guy is out to cause havoc and be a devils' advocate.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: SoopaX]
#4271851 - 06/08/05 01:02 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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i'm not a stinky hippy, thanks.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Delyrium]
#4271859 - 06/08/05 01:03 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Whats worse a whiney hippie or a whiney jew?
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: SoopaX]
#4271869 - 06/08/05 01:05 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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SoopaX said: Who cares, hes bashing stinky hippies.
So all hippies are vegetarians? That's rather general don't you think? Oh and it's 2005- hippie is now officially a gay word. The point of the thread was both to be informative AND an asshole. I don't see anyone gaining anything but self-satisfaction out of it though. That's sad.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Chairman Meow]
#4271881 - 06/08/05 01:07 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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yes you are, silly.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: barfightlard]
#4271889 - 06/08/05 01:09 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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bellylard said: Whats worse a whiney hippie or a whiney jew?
how bout a whiney anything?
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4271898 - 06/08/05 01:11 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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i eat deodorant, i'm so fresh.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: barfightlard]
#4271904 - 06/08/05 01:13 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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bellylard said: Whats worse a whiney hippie or a whiney jew?
Whiney hippie is worse. Whiney Jews make funny movies.
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Bet I eat the most deodorant.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: XUL]
#4271935 - 06/08/05 01:21 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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WHOA WHERE DID YOU FIND THAT WEBSITE IVE NEVER SEEN IT BEFORE
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Delyrium]
#4271941 - 06/08/05 01:22 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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wah wah wah
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: SoopaX]
#4271949 - 06/08/05 01:23 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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i get all the meat i need from my bf.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Delyrium]
#4271959 - 06/08/05 01:26 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Note to all the woman and gays out there if your a vegetarian and you swallow you arn't really a vegetarian.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: barfightlard]
#4271969 - 06/08/05 01:28 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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okay but i dont eat animals... eating humans have never been fully stated as being prohibited in a vegetarian diet.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Delyrium]
#4271977 - 06/08/05 01:29 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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See if your b/fs meat keeps your muscles from detoriating
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: barfightlard]
#4271982 - 06/08/05 01:30 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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thats veganism, not vegetarianism. kthx.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Delyrium]
#4271984 - 06/08/05 01:30 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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semen isn't human, its semen
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: barfightlard]
#4272059 - 06/08/05 01:45 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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actually - im killing millions of his children all the time. lol... why get technical here... im joking.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Delyrium]
#4272074 - 06/08/05 01:48 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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And they say men are the killers, yet woman guzzle down millions of children daily.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: barfightlard]
#4272081 - 06/08/05 01:50 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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bellylard said: Note to all the woman and gays out there if your a vegetarian and you swallow you arn't really a vegetarian.
You mean vegan. Vegans don't eat food FROM animals, vegetarians still can eat eggs and milk and whatnot.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Chairman Meow]
#4272086 - 06/08/05 01:51 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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sadsappysucker said: thats veganism, not vegetarianism. kthx.
Delete this post! I was first to reply!
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4272091 - 06/08/05 01:52 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Chairman Meow]
#4272094 - 06/08/05 01:53 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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LIAR!
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4272095 - 06/08/05 01:53 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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actually, vegans can too. A main line of argument is that the animals have NO say in it.. well, obviously the human did.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4272100 - 06/08/05 01:55 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Either way, I bet at least 25% of vegans go against their way of life from time to time.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: barfightlard]
#4272116 - 06/08/05 01:59 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I like to throw milk balloons at vegans.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4272192 - 06/08/05 02:16 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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HELLA_TIGHT said: I like to throw milk balloons at vegans.
hahahaha thats funny dude!!!
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: XUL]
#4272373 - 06/08/05 03:04 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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XUL said: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill
interesting, eh
i agree with that guy, also i think eating meat is key to survival its part of the food chain it happens all through nature
that is totally absurd...what an idiot.
sure, animals are killed while harvesting wheat and vegatables.
but if you consider killing animals a bad thing, then what is worse? eating wheat and killing animals...
or eating meat and killing and animals AND eating wheat and killing animals.
vegetarians don't eat meat, meat eaters eat meat AND wheat
simple logic
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Eat Meat, don't be a pussy.
yeah, quit being someone who cares about other living things and the world we are leaving for future generations! fucking pussy...
why don't you join the army and go kill people...there's a war going on...now is your perfect chance to prove what a tough guy you are :rolleyes
Edited by myndreach (06/08/05 03:08 PM)
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: myndreach]
#4272400 - 06/08/05 03:12 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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myndreach said: yeah, quit being someone who cares about other living things and the world we are leaving for future generations! fucking pussy...
What does eating meat have to do with future generations?
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: myndreach]
#4272417 - 06/08/05 03:17 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Maddox > You
While you're being a whiny cunt, could you explain my your rate of me to me?
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Redstorm]
#4272461 - 06/08/05 03:33 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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maddox's arguments < something insightful
he's entertainment and full of shit. i like him, i just dont flock to his words as if they were worth something.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4272555 - 06/08/05 04:03 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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myndreach said: yeah, quit being someone who cares about other living things and the world we are leaving for future generations! fucking pussy...
What does eating meat have to do with future generations?
because 50% of the water used in the U.S is used to maintain the meat industry in america...
because the meat industry is one of the leading causes of deforestation in the amazon rainforest...
because millions of tons of grain are spent each year to make cows taste better, that food could feed the starving people in the world...
because eating meat is directly responsible for the two leading causes of death in the U.S....cancer and heart disease...leaving countless children without parents...
there are dozens of other reasons.
Edited by myndreach (06/08/05 04:04 PM)
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: myndreach]
#4272576 - 06/08/05 04:11 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Has anyone said that if you are concerned about the rabbits killed in soy production, you'd still be a vegetarian because the soy and wheat that cows eat to feed one meat eater could feed ten people.
On the vegetarian model, 100,000 rabits die from soy fields.
On the carnivore model, you need 10x the soy the vegs lived off of just to feed the cows, then you need to kill the cows too. Even if you had no problem killing cows, and were just concerned with rabbits from soy production, you'd still eat soy directly rather then eat cows fed that soy, decreasing total consumption and decreasing dead rabbits. That guy didn't get anybody. I would guess he feels really guilty about eating meat and has to vent it. What a prick
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: myndreach]
#4272585 - 06/08/05 04:15 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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because the meat industry is one of the leading causes of deforestation in the amazon rainforest...
agriculture is just as big of a cause of de-forestation as the meat-industry is
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Infrared]
#4272602 - 06/08/05 04:21 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Also, his entire argument is based on the fact that modern society uses combines to harvest their crops. Im sure if vegetarians had their way there would be no commercial food production, each person would grow and harvest their own food to sustain themselves, which would completely defeat his entire argument.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: tomk]
#4272692 - 06/08/05 04:40 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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were you aware that rabbits are EXTREMELY efficient. while cows are not? Ideally, you'd feed the world with rabbits and plants.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Infrared]
#4272735 - 06/08/05 04:54 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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because the meat industry is one of the leading causes of deforestation in the amazon rainforest...
agriculture is just as big of a cause of de-forestation as the meat-industry is
don't you see that we have to eat? If you have to eat to live, supporting only ONE of the deforesting industries is better than supporting BOTH.
this seems so obvious that I don't understand why people are following the line of thinking from the article in the first post...

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shroomer44 said: Also, his entire argument is based on the fact that modern society uses combines to harvest their crops. Im sure if vegetarians had their way there would be no commercial food production, each person would grow and harvest their own food to sustain themselves, which would completely defeat his entire argument.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: myndreach]
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yea thats maddox, hes been around since 97, he can take any story and turn it around so that you understand his point of view and he changes yours, so far i've been readin every post of his and disagreed wih half the posts, but by the time you finish reading them you say wow, he's right. For example go to the main page and scroll down and look for Christopher Reeves is an asshole. he speaks the truth.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Delyrium]
#4272943 - 06/08/05 06:02 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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uh - not all vegetarians are "stinky hippies". and i just feel like this guy is out to cause havoc and be a devils' advocate.
No, those points don't really make sense. What does make sense is his argument. Animals are being killed for vegetarians to eat their vegetables, therefore there is no difference between them and meat eaters.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: myndreach]
#4272953 - 06/08/05 06:05 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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that is totally absurd...what an idiot.
sure, animals are killed while harvesting wheat and vegatables.
but if you consider killing animals a bad thing, then what is worse? eating wheat and killing animals...
or eating meat and killing and animals AND eating wheat and killing animals.
vegetarians don't eat meat, meat eaters eat meat AND wheat
simple logic
Your logic isn't registering, partly because you didn't make a point. If killing animals is viewed as wrong, what matters the mechanism in which they are killed?
vegetarians = animals killed meat eaters= animals killed
"simple logic" tells me they both kill animals, the very reason that vegetarianism is built on to be against.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: myndreach]
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whatever. pick your poison. knock down trees to make land for animals, or to grow plants. what about the lumber industry? they sure as hell arent gonna go away.
of course we have to eat... genius deduction there. its not feezable to say that everyone should just grow their own food.. cause the majority of people cannont because they live in densly populated cities.
the only meat i eat is from free range animals, bought from organic markets. theres nothing wrong with eating an animal if that animal was treated humanily and given a s close to a normal life as possible.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Infrared]
#4273014 - 06/08/05 06:25 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Isn't the point of not eating meat to reduce the amount of animals being killed?
What a stupid arguement, "wheat kills some animals, so therefore there's no reason not to kill as many animals as we want".
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Learyfan]
#4273033 - 06/08/05 06:31 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Isn't the point of not eating meat to reduce the amount of animals being killed?
I don't know learyfan, but I would wager one wouldn't eat meat because they think killing animals is wrong.
But, I'm glad you italicized "reduced", because that is exactly what the argument boils down to.
Now it isn't a matter of it being right/wrong to kill animals, just as long as you kill less then your neighbor the meateater. So honorable you veggies!!
But there is hope. If you really think killing animals in order to provide you food is murder, which is one of the worst crimes known to humanity, then DO something about.
Grow your own vegetables. Make sure no animals are killed, and eat a non-death lifestyle.
Now, how many vegetarians will do this? How many will stick to their belief that its wrong to kill?
Not many, I bet. They will just change their stance, like you did to fit their current argument of the day (how honorable!). It is now morally right to only kill less animals then someone else!
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: looner2]
#4273055 - 06/08/05 06:41 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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The problem is not that people are eating animals.
The problem is that we have already cut down half the rainforest to "make room" for cattle, and crops to raise those cattle. The rainforest. You know that little thing they call the "earth's lung".. that contains over 80% of the Earth's species.. or used to anyway.
The problem is that you can feed 7 people for a year with the amount of grain you would need to feed a cow for a year. The PROBLEM is that 70% of the crops grown in the US are used to feed animals, instead of starving people.
The problem is the millions of tons of animal feces we are polluting the rivers and groundwater with.
That's just the start of the problems. Vegetarians are not killing animals.. meat-eaters are destroying the world. No one needs to eat 50lbs of meat a year. Why do you think heart disease and obesity is the leading cause of death in amerikkka? Durrrr..
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Shroomism]
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Thanks shroomism. I appreciate the complete dodge of the argument. Why? Because it proves vegetarians have nothing to say about "meat is murder". I hope I never have to hear it again, and if i do, it better be worded right, as in.. "YOUR KILLING MORE ANIMALS THEN ME, THEREFORE YOU ARE MORE EVIL THAN ME".
I love liberal "grey area" morality. It is just so, EASY!
Vegetarians are not killing animals.. meat-eaters are destroying the world. No one needs to eat 50lbs of meat a year. Why do you think heart disease and obesity is the leading cause of death in amerikkka? Durrrr..
Your wrong. I know your ideas on nutrition are heavily biased on your beliefs and whatnot from just reading your posts on nutrition. The whole, meat=heart disease myth has been discredited for about 10 years now. Meat is healthy, grain is not. You can fill yourself full of grain and enjoy a life of obesity and diabetes. I'll eat my cow flesh and grow strong and healthy.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Shroomism]
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I double cheeseburgers
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: looner2]
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Seriously. We've lived thousands upon thousands of years upon neing omnivores. One little blip on the face of history made by some people for whatever reason don't want to eat meat isn't going to make a different.
If anything, they will continue vegetarianism and be evolved out.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: looner2]
#4273089 - 06/08/05 06:56 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I never said meat is murder.. even though it is  That's why I did not argue against it. I said that meat is unhealthy. The agriculture industry is unhealthy for the planet and our environment. Meat is unhealthy for the body in large quantities.
I still eat meat but far less than I used to. Ideally you only need 4oz a day or less. I don't plan on being obese anytime soon.. you enjoy your constipation
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Shroomism]
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Wouldn't harvesting plants be murder as well?
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Redstorm]
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Seriously. We've lived thousands upon thousands of years upon neing omnivores. One little blip on the face of history made by some people for whatever reason don't want to eat meat isn't going to make a different.
Especially considering our entire digestive system evolved over millions of years before our species even came into existence. Then, a few thousands years at the end of human existence and we start eat grain, bread, and cereal and become obese and diseased. But no, its the MEAT thats doing it.
People that use their beliefs as a justification of science and nutrition are seriously deluded and annoy me more than anything else.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Redstorm]
#4273108 - 06/08/05 07:00 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: Seriously. We've lived thousands upon thousands of years upon neing omnivores. One little blip on the face of history made by some people for whatever reason don't want to eat meat isn't going to make a different.
If anything, they will continue vegetarianism and be evolved out.
Evolved out? What about cultures that have been primarily vegetarian for hundreds of years.. lets take India for example.. I don't see any de-evolution?
And what about Albert Einstein? was he an idiot that was going to be evolved out?
We've lived thousands of thousands of years eating a 90% fruits, vegetables, and legumes diet. Only in recent history has meat become so prevalent and readily available.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Shroomism]
#4273114 - 06/08/05 07:03 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I stand by my comment.
The docility of a culture who does not eat meat will eventually be stomped out in the warring world we live in today.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Redstorm]
#4273117 - 06/08/05 07:05 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: Wouldn't harvesting plants be murder as well?
I'm not even making the meat is murder argument. But if you want to, ok.. no harvesting a plant is not murder. It grows from the ground. It does not have blood, and vital organs, and a nervous system. But I don't really care. If you are eating meat for survival, good for you. Just don't hunt the buffalos to extinction ok? Just don't destroy massive quantities of valuable natural resources to make room for your cows. Just don't dump all that pig shit into my river.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Redstorm]
#4273131 - 06/08/05 07:08 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: I stand by my comment.
The docility of a culture who does not eat meat will eventually be stomped out in the warring world we live in today.

"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet. "
"Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from that of their social environment. "
- Albert Einstein
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Shroomism]
#4273145 - 06/08/05 07:11 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't kill buffalos, waste resources more than the common man, or pollute to excess. What I'm sick of is people telling me that I am a murderer b/c their views differ from mine. I can't even eat vegetable b/c of my irritable bowel syndrome, but that doesn't stop people who know absolutely nothing about me make judgements about my character.
Vegetarians: If you don't eat meat, I don't give a fuck. Just leave me the hell alone and stop pushing your lifestyle on others. Some of you are no better than Christians pushing heterosexuality or their other morals.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Shroomism]
#4273158 - 06/08/05 07:13 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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"I love red meats, more than general, and, especially special relativity"
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Shroomism]
#4273163 - 06/08/05 07:14 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet. "
"Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from that of their social environment. "
- Albert Einstein
Oh how we love the "einstein knows everything" fellas. Quality shroomism, didn't expect anything less.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Redstorm]
#4273187 - 06/08/05 07:21 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ahh.. I loves me a good debate  That's cool man I see where you are coming from. I'm actually playing devil's advocate here a little bit.. because its fun.  I'm not even completely a vegetarian, but I am aware of the environmental impact the agriculture industry has on the Earth. There's not any one person to blame, it's all our damn faults. I certainly wouldn't call someone a murderer just because they eat meat. That would make me one too.. if you stab someone in the face and they die, you are a murderer. If you eat hamburgers, you eat meat.
I think in general, vegetarians will leave meat eaters alone when meat-eaters leave vegetarians alone. I think for the most part, it is meat-eaters that are doing the aggresive agenda-pushing (i.e - for every animal you don't eat I will eat three.. what kind of shit is that>?).. I get meat pushed on me more than anything. Shit find me someone who will try and peer-pressure me into eating fruit all the time, I'll be their friend. You guys can be real assholes to vegetarians some of the time. I'm not talkin about you, just meat-eaters in general. Me, I'm kind of the middle man. I wont tell you not to eat meat, but I will tell you what's healthy about fruits and veggies.
How did you get IBS if you don't mind me asking? Born with it?
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: looner2]
#4273193 - 06/08/05 07:23 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't think he knew everything. I just think the man was smart.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Shroomism]
#4273225 - 06/08/05 07:29 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've said it before but I'll say it again. I have no problem with vegetarians that choose such a diet because it appeals to them. But as soon as they (and many I know do) get an attitude in which they feel they are choosing the "higher road" or being more moral (whatever that means) they can fuck the right off. I eat meat and I love it. If someone looks down on my meat eating I'll make it a point to fuck with them just to piss them off since their idiotic notion of superiority is based on their own foolish notion of what is supposedly right. I don't feel superior for eating meat nor do I feel inferior since it's only a personal preference and that's it.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Shroomism]
#4273251 - 06/08/05 07:36 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think IBS is something like cancer by that you are born with the capacity for if to show itself, but the right factors need to be there to make it come out.
My factor was extreme stress over my parent's terribly messy divorce.
Thank god you don't have IBS. It has turned my social life upside down and has effectively made my life hell.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Redstorm]
#4273259 - 06/08/05 07:37 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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That sucks
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Redstorm]
#4273271 - 06/08/05 07:38 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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sorry about that man Have you looked into treatments for it.. perhaps herbs and diet that would help?
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Shroomism]
#4273281 - 06/08/05 07:40 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, I've tried rx drugs which somwhat helps. It's hard with the diet, though, since I have little money or time b/c of my erratic schedule, plus the fact that the most random things (anxiety or food) will set it off.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Redstorm]
#4273287 - 06/08/05 07:42 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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You should eat lots of jalapenos.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4273290 - 06/08/05 07:42 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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DO NOT TAKE THAT ADVICE.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Redstorm]
#4273294 - 06/08/05 07:43 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I haven't researched IBS but you should look into maybe trying Slippery Elm as an herbal supplement.. it has wonderful healing and nourishing properties for the intestinal tract.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Shroomism]
#4273313 - 06/08/05 07:47 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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The problem with irritable bowel is that there is actually nothing wrong with the intestines. The problem is the nerves somewhere between the brain and the intestines. Somwhere between there, my nerves are mixed up.
Also, you can not cure IBS, you can only treat the symptoms.
That's how my gastroenterologist explained it to me.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Redstorm]
#4273341 - 06/08/05 07:52 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well damnit there's got to be something.. they just haven't found a cure for it yet.
Umm.. check this out - http://www.herbs.org/current/chinibs.html http://ibscrohns.about.com/cs/altmedibs/a/herbsibs.htm
Just trying to help..there's things can make it more bearable. I have been helped greatly by herbs so I am a large proponent of them.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Shroomism]
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Thanks. I'll read everything and anything people give me about IBS.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Infrared]
#4274341 - 06/09/05 12:01 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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DeepBlue42 said: the only meat i eat is from free range animals, bought from organic markets.
You do realize that free range only means there has to be an opening somewhere on the building, right? Do some research, "free range" is just a term used to let people eat meat and not feel so bad about it.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: looner2]
#4274347 - 06/09/05 12:06 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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looner2 said: that is totally absurd...what an idiot.
sure, animals are killed while harvesting wheat and vegatables.
but if you consider killing animals a bad thing, then what is worse? eating wheat and killing animals...
or eating meat and killing and animals AND eating wheat and killing animals.
vegetarians don't eat meat, meat eaters eat meat AND wheat
simple logic
Your logic isn't registering, partly because you didn't make a point. If killing animals is viewed as wrong, what matters the mechanism in which they are killed?
vegetarians = animals killed meat eaters= animals killed
"simple logic" tells me they both kill animals, the very reason that vegetarianism is built on to be against.
re-read my post...
here it is again
that is totally absurd...what an idiot.
sure, animals are killed while harvesting wheat and vegatables.
but if you consider killing animals a bad thing, then what is worse? eating wheat and killing animals...
or eating meat and killing and animals AND eating wheat and killing animals.
vegetarians don't eat meat, meat eaters eat meat AND wheat
simple logic
there you go...i'll even just put the point here
but if you consider killing animals a bad thing, then what is worse? eating wheat and killing animals...
or eating meat and killing and animals AND eating wheat and killing animals.
Get it? I'll even reword it...
Support one method of killing animals, or two?
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Redstorm]
#4274361 - 06/09/05 12:14 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: myndreach]
#4274583 - 06/09/05 01:43 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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myndreach said: Support one method of killing animals, or two?
The point was if killing animals is wrong it doesnt matter if you support it in one form or 100 forms, its still supporting it.
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: Samhehyum]
#4275119 - 06/09/05 08:00 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Samhehyum said:
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myndreach said: Support one method of killing animals, or two?
The point was if killing animals is wrong it doesnt matter if you support it in one form or 100 forms, its still supporting it.
It's like saying, "Well, Hitler already killed 1,000 jews, so it's no worse to go ahead and kill millions."
However, being human as we are...we have to eat something. I said this before. If you have to eat something, why not do your best to eat the least amount of food that involves murder? I only eat plants, no eggs, and only have milk if someone put it in food to cook. I do my best to support a kind diet.
As I said, if you have to eat, what's worse? Eating just plants? Or eating plants (death), lots of dairy (death), and meat (death)?
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Re: vegetarians are killing animals [Re: myndreach]
#4275122 - 06/09/05 08:02 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Get it? I'll even reword it...
Support one method of killing animals, or two?
No, I don't get it. If killing animals is wrong... not "bad" as the veggies have now turned it into, then DON'T do it. Thats simple, right? If it is wrong, and violates your moral judgemet, then grow your own vegetables and food so no animals are killed. You CAN control this... you have a CHOICE. But the problem lies in your ability to sacrifice convenience for your moral beliefs. What will you do? You wont be building a garden, thats for sure.
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