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Advice Needed. Animal Abuse. Deranged Friend? Sleepless...
#5822629 - 07/05/06 04:59 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm coming down from 5 and a half geltabs... sleepless...
I made plans a few days in advance to ingest the doses in my posession on the 4th... you know, enjoy the fireworks and all? that was the plan...
So, I don't even really know where to begin... A while back (i.e. about a year and a half? maybe two years ago?) when I was working retail, I stumbled out the front of the apartment complex with a few friends, on our way to hang out elsewhere... I was surprised to see a co-worker in front of my building, and was even more surprised to find out that this co-worker lived not in the next building over, not on another floor of the same building, but DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR to me. We became better friends, and after a month or two we found out that despite working in a "drug-free workplace" that we both smoked up recreationally. Long story made short, we've hung out and became pretty good friends... which leads me into tonight... 
We hung out earlier this evening, smoked a few bowls, and I took my doses... the fireworks were absolutely and entirely amazing... the fireworks ended, and my friend decided to head to the bars, I told him I was heading back across town... as going to the bar with a head full of acid didn't seem like the thing to do... I was in pure bliss walking home and tripped here peacefully for another hour or two, when I heard a knock on my door.
The knock turned out to be my neighbor coming home from the bar. I could tell he was tanked (he somehow managed to get a full pitcher out of the bar and all the way across town back to our building). He said some people were coming over to his place to hang out, so I said I'd come chill over there for a bit. Well, noone actually was over at his place, nor did anyone ever show up there... but we sat and listened to some tunes for a bit...
There are 2 cats he owns... one who is a really nice lovey girl cat who he's had for a bit, she looks cross-eyed, but she's cute and adorable and all that good warm fuzzy stuff... the other one is a male he got about 6 months ago... its not an adult cat yet, its probably a year old or so... seems like an ok cat, eager to befriend anyone who comes over.... apparently had trouble figuring out the litterbox thing for a while... it actually got to the point where we all complained about how much his apartment stunk of urine that another mutual friend purchased some cleaning supplies and took care of the odor... apparently my neighbor was completely unaware that his apartment smelled so horribly...
So, he couldn't figure out where the cats went, and they both seemed skiddish in a way I haven't seen them behave before... He called to them a few minutes earlier, and they actually got up and went and hid in the bedroom. All this time, I'm fiddling with this new mp3 player I just got, trying to figure out the rest of its functionality... he goes to the bedroom, finds one of the cats that hid, and brings him out in the living room, smiling and sits back down, pets it a little... i'm fiddling with the mp3 player, look up and he's dangling the younger male cat by its back paw and shaking it I was speechless... he then said something to the effect of "Oh, so you think you can hiss at me?" it ended up on his lap, he prodded it in the side and then grabbed and was pulling pretty hard on one of the hind legs... I lost my speechlessness and it went something like this:
"dude, what the fuck are you doing?"
*no response, not even a look in my direction*
"hey knock it off!"
*looks up at me finally*
"you know what, i can't be here..."
and I left... So, I was understandably a little shaken at this point... At first I couldn't really describe anything but the kind of crazed look he had during the whole ordeal... he was specifically being malicious... Its not like he was just picking on it a little... I don't think I was being over-sensitive to the situation and I know very clearly and vividly that my view of the events was not just misinterpreted on account of the lsd...
So, after trying to chat a little to get rid of some of my // guilt (for not sticking around to make sure that he stopped fucking with the cat) // uncomfort (with the situation in general) // and fear...
I really just don't know how to deal with this situation at all...

This is a friend, although with the way I feel right now, I don't know that will be the case for long... As I sit here thinking back on many things over the past, it seems like I may have mistaken him for quiet and benevolent (as I see myself), whereas I'm starting to paint up a picture in my head of "the quiet guy next door who you would have never guessed would go crazy and shoot all those people".... hehe 
While I don't think he's murderer material, I'm pretty sure that he's abusing his two cats... i've never seen him go ape shit and slap them around or anything, but tonight he was very deliberately upsetting the cat, then causing it pain as punishment for not being happy about being dangled/shaken...
Any words for me?
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Re: Advice Needed. Animal Abuse. Deranged Friend? Sleepless... [Re: absolute zero]
#5822641 - 07/05/06 05:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't know man. I know alcohol isn't an excuss but sometimes people get caried away and act like a total asshole when drunk.
Keep on watching him though, if he pulls any shit like that again just call animal control I guess.
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Re: Advice Needed. Animal Abuse. Deranged Friend? Sleepless... [Re: Stonerguy]
#5822649 - 07/05/06 05:25 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would make it a point to be present more often... if he continues, I agree... call animal control//spca//peta--who ever offers the most promise in remedying the problem--they take anonymous tips.
A few years ago I had to call peta on my neighbor because the spca refused (yes, refused) to rescue the animals due to limited space (and because I was feeding/watering/allowing the dog freedom). They left their cockerspaniel tied to a tree with less than 2 ft of rope, no food and no water, while they went on vacation for a week and a half.
As much as peta pisses me off at times, they saved "Binka", and last I heard she was in a loving home. Course, the neighbors threw glass in my pool and egged my house for a good few months after that, the dog is alive and healthy, and I moved out of state.
Keep an eye on the situation--remember, they can't protect themselves from him and if you know its happening, you're about the only one that can protect them.
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Re: Advice Needed. Animal Abuse. Deranged Friend? Sleepless... [Re: absolute zero]
#5822674 - 07/05/06 06:06 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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do one of two things either call animal abuse treatment anonymously and tell the whole story and leave the LSD out of it. or continue being his friend and sneak the cats out maybe with the help of other people calming maybe the door was open or some shit ( be crafty) but not incriminating your self.also making sure hes fully distracted so as he wont see anything and then maybe suggesting well your house will small better (no more cat dander) and no more cat food and litter.and then giving the cats to a loving couple newlyweds or something. and if he gets another cat or animal and abuses them or it, get some friends together (maybe get drunk) and JUMP THAT FOOL!!
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Re: Advice Needed. Animal Abuse. Deranged Friend? Sleepless... [Re: LosAngelesGraff]
#5822721 - 07/05/06 07:23 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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And that's really a big part of what's bothering me...
We've been in lots of other situations, and he's helped protect a few girls from asshole guys.
so, I really don't understand how I haven't seen this side of him in the past...
I dunno, I question my motives for even making this post...
I think maybe I was hoping for someone to call me out for being on acid at the time... maybe for some easy way out of a situation that I suspect is not going to just go away on its own...
I'm not planning on abducting his cats just yet... I feel like having been friends with him for a while, I would need to speak with him before I could justify calling anyone...
I just don't know how to deal with this complicated/awkward situation...
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Re: Advice Needed. Animal Abuse. Deranged Friend? Sleepless... [Re: Stonerguy]
#5822724 - 07/05/06 07:25 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stonerguy said: I don't know man. I know alcohol isn't an excuss but sometimes people get caried away and act like a total asshole when drunk.
Keep on watching him though, if he pulls any shit like that again just call animal control I guess.
indeed, let's hope it doesn't happen again.
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Re: Advice Needed. Animal Abuse. Deranged Friend? Sleepless... [Re: absolute zero]
#5822738 - 07/05/06 07:43 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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absolute_zero said: We've been in lots of other situations, and he's helped protect a few girls from asshole guys.
He was probably just trying to get some pussy.
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Re: Advice Needed. Animal Abuse. Deranged Friend? Sleepless... [Re: Anonymous]
#5822754 - 07/05/06 07:59 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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some poeple just don't understand that they're being mean to an animal when they do stuff like that, or they don't understand why being mean to animals is not good.
i don't mean like they're bad people or whatever, i mean literally don't understand. i always complain to my roommates about how they treat the cat, they think they're just having fun with it...
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Re: Advice Needed. Animal Abuse. Deranged Friend? Sleepless... [Re: truekimbo2]
#5822769 - 07/05/06 08:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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truekimbo2 said: i mean literally don't understand. i always complain to my roommates about how they treat the cat, they think they're just having fun with it...
yeah... i probably should have just confronted him verbally right then and there... but I didn't... I ran...
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Re: Advice Needed. Animal Abuse. Deranged Friend? Sleepless... [Re: absolute zero]
#5822772 - 07/05/06 08:13 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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well, trying to get sense into drunk people doesn't really work usually
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Re: Advice Needed. Animal Abuse. Deranged Friend? Sleepless... [Re: stefan]
#5822790 - 07/05/06 08:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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stefan said: well, trying to get sense into drunk people doesn't really work usually
Then what about sober ones?
this all happened about 8-9 hours ago now.... i suspect that later today or the next we will either run into each other or he will call wanting to hang out...
I dunno, but i'm guessing using phrases like "abuse" will just put him on the defensive... I'm obviously obligated to speak with him about the problem though... so how do I do this in a way that gets the point across?
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Re: Advice Needed. Animal Abuse. Deranged Friend? Sleepless... [Re: absolute zero]
#5822800 - 07/05/06 08:40 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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better chance with sober onces 
maybe say something like: I saw you do things to your cat he obviously didn't like/was hurt, you really shouldn't do that.
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Re: Advice Needed. Animal Abuse. Deranged Friend? Sleepless... [Re: absolute zero]
#5822819 - 07/05/06 08:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Advice Needed. Animal Abuse. Deranged Friend? Sleepless... [Re: Adden]
#5823043 - 07/05/06 10:32 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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maybe the lsd, made the situation seem a little more fucked up then it was. I'd go over there later and just see how the cats are, are they still hiding, is the cat he was dangling limping or in visible pain?
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Re: Advice Needed. Animal Abuse. Deranged Friend? Sleepless... [Re: Gillette]
#5823187 - 07/05/06 11:14 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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that is a fucked up situation, i have no love for people that would do that to an animal
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Re: Advice Needed. Animal Abuse. Deranged Friend? Sleepless... [Re: absolute zero]
#5823206 - 07/05/06 11:20 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would have bitch slapped him then knocked his teeth out, right quick!
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Re: Advice Needed. Animal Abuse. Deranged Friend? Sleepless... [Re: Adden]
#5823334 - 07/05/06 11:56 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Advice Needed. Animal Abuse. Deranged Friend? Sleepless... [Re: absolute zero]
#5823375 - 07/05/06 12:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not sure how to go about talking to him about it, but maybe ask him if that's the norm for the way he treats his cats. Tell him that it really bothered you because your an animal lover. Maybe he'll fess up to hating them, and you tell him to put them up for adoption.
Calling the cops on him seems harsh because he's a friend. Plus, he WAS drunk. I know it's not an excuse, but in a way it is. You don't form rational thoughts when you're drunk. I know I've done things drunk that I would have NEVER EVER done sober.
Also, if you did call the cops, they would have to investigate. Unless the cats have broken bones or any other signs of neglect or abuse, they can't do anything. And if he is found guilty of animal cruelty, he could be in jail for years. Here in Georgia, animal abuse is now a felony.
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Re: Advice Needed. Animal Abuse. Deranged Friend? Sleepless... [Re: Gumby]
#5825610 - 07/05/06 10:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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try talking to hime about it if not you have to do something cause in my eyes that sounds like a sign that the animals need your help...
if hes doent agree or continues you gotta do something not for your self satisfying but for the animals well being.
not doing nothing about it is as bad as doing it your self!
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Re: Advice Needed. Animal Abuse. Deranged Friend? Sleepless... [Re: LosAngelesGraff]
#5826829 - 07/06/06 07:34 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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You guys are WAY overreacting. From your description it sounds like he was just fucking with them a little. I mean he was just pulling their legs a little, there's no harm in that!
If he was dangling them from their tail that would be a totally different story because that's painfull to the cats. But if what he's doing isn't going to cause injury to the cats, even if you think it's a little mean, then you have no business telling him what to do.
If you see the cat limping and he continues to fuck with them, or you think he's leaving bruises or something then be a man and tell him to his face that you won't allow animals to be tortured in your presence. Otherwise STFU and mind your own business.
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Re: Advice Needed. Animal Abuse. Deranged Friend? Sleepless... [Re: fastfred]
#5826928 - 07/06/06 08:35 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I mean he was just pulling their legs a little, there's no harm in that!
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Re: Advice Needed. Animal Abuse. Deranged Friend? Sleepless... [Re: Organic]
#5826961 - 07/06/06 08:56 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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> He was holding it by the rear leg. That's not how you hold a cat.
Well... It's not hurting it. Maybe it's not the freidliest way to treat them, but it's hardly torture or abuse.
Unless the guy is actually hurting the cats it's not right to try and cause legal problems for the guy. If he was really hurting them you would probably know it because he would be all scratched up. Believe me if you really piss off a cat they can do some serious damage to a person's arms.
I just think it's pretty fucked up to be calling the authorities on someone unless they are really doing something that hurts an animal enough to cause it physical injury or serious pain. I mean come on, reality check guys!
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Re: Advice Needed. Animal Abuse. Deranged Friend? Sleepless... [Re: fastfred]
#5826967 - 07/06/06 09:00 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Allowing it to happen at all is encouraging deranged behavior. I don't know about you, but I don't think good company includes dominating alcoholics that get jollies from yanking on animal appendages. I would have slapped the bitch and called him a piece of shit.
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Re: Advice Needed. Animal Abuse. Deranged Friend? Sleepless... [Re: Organic]
#5826989 - 07/06/06 09:09 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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If the cat took it without leaving the guy's arms shredded, then it wasn't really hurting it. Seriously they're not going to take very much pain and certainly no injury before they turn and claw you.
I know a guy that would often hold his cats upside down from the legs and they didn't mind a bit. From the description it didn't sound like the cat was crying or trying to get away.
> I would have slapped the bitch and called him a piece of shit.
And you would be sitting in jail as you should be. If you don't like how people play with their pets then leave. There's not a jury in the world that would call that animal cruelty.
If the guy's getting meaner than that then by all means, step up. Otherwise you're just being foolish.
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Re: Advice Needed. Animal Abuse. Deranged Friend? Sleepless... [Re: Organic]
#5827012 - 07/06/06 09:19 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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So, I went over there last night and hung out for a little bit...
We talked a bit, and he claims not to remember this happening. At first, he thought I was just pulling his leg (no pun intended).
I'm reasonably satisfied from our conversation that this was a freak occurrence, and it does not match his normal demeanor at all.
With that said, I'll still keep an eye out for the cats, just in case.
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Re: Advice Needed. Animal Abuse. Deranged Friend? Sleepless... [Re: fastfred]
#5827031 - 07/06/06 09:28 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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i'm fiddling with the mp3 player, look up and he's dangling the younger male cat by its back paw and shaking it I was speechless... he then said something to the effect of "Oh, so you think you can hiss at me?" it ended up on his lap, he prodded it in the side and then grabbed and was pulling pretty hard on one of the hind legs...
It really sounds like the cat minded a bit...
I probably wouldn't excuse it as "playing with pets" either...
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Seriously they're not going to take very much pain and certainly no injury before they turn and claw you.
I disagree. If the cat was punished for clawing before, he may just try to get away now, realizing there is no point in trying to fight back. I've never seen two cats that were exactly alike in personality either, so I don't think you can make such a generalized blanket statement...
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And you would be sitting in jail as you should be.
I would do the time with no regrets I doubt a drunk abusing his pets would want to get the police involved, though. I would hope you don't encourage or practice this sort of behavior.
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Re: Advice Needed. Animal Abuse. Deranged Friend? Sleepless... [Re: fastfred]
#5827032 - 07/06/06 09:28 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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fastfred said: If the cat took it without leaving the guy's arms shredded, then it wasn't really hurting it. Seriously they're not going to take very much pain and certainly no injury before they turn and claw you.
I know a guy that would often hold his cats upside down from the legs and they didn't mind a bit. From the description it didn't sound like the cat was crying or trying to get away.
> I would have slapped the bitch and called him a piece of shit.
And you would be sitting in jail as you should be. If you don't like how people play with their pets then leave. There's not a jury in the world that would call that animal cruelty.
If the guy's getting meaner than that then by all means, step up. Otherwise you're just being foolish.
-FF
Firstly, I don't think you read the entire FP. There was pain involved, and a front declawed cat isn't going to do shit to someone's arm.
Secondly, I stated in another post that this is a friend, and that there was no way I'd call the authorities without having a conversation with him regarding everything.
Also, this "STFU and mind your own business" thing just doesn't apply at all... If you're trying to get a rise out of people, go elsewhere... There was a genuine concern for the safety of the animals involved...
Anyways, everything is settled for the time being....
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Re: Advice Needed. Animal Abuse. Deranged Friend? Sleepless... [Re: absolute zero]
#5827046 - 07/06/06 09:35 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Good to hear
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Re: Advice Needed. Animal Abuse. Deranged Friend? Sleepless... [Re: absolute zero]
#5827115 - 07/06/06 10:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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ABZ, it sounds like you handled this the right way. Given that it was the 1st time that you had ever seen anything like this take place, and given your mental state, and his intoxicated state, I don't think it would have been wise to get all confrontational with him right then and there. Being drunk doesn't excuse someone from mistreating their animals, but, if you spoke with him and feel like it was an isolated occurance, you've done your part for now. I'd continue to keep an eye on the situation and make sure it doesn't happen again - if it does, I think you should offer to take the cats, or tell him point blank that you're calling the SPCA before you do so. And to the person who thought that it wasn't a big deal to dangle a cat upside down by it's hind legs, and poke it - I hope you never own an animal. Seriously.
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Re: Advice Needed. Animal Abuse. Deranged Friend? Sleepless... [Re: Liz]
#5827145 - 07/06/06 10:28 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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