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Decided to go vegetarian
#4184994 - 05/17/05 12:56 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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So, I had my third or fourth non-drug related spiritual experience today. I stopped smoking pot a few days ago (I decided not to smoke until the new shpongle album so that I could get super ripped when the new album came out before I give it a spin!). This morning I was hungry, so I went to my bag of chicken fajita jerky and grabbed a piece. It hit me very clearly that eating meat is wrong. Since we are all one, and not seperate from our environment, the harm from eating and farming meat is clearly harm we are inflicting on ourselves. It felt sort of indescribable, but kind of like I became a little bit detached and aware that eating meat feeds the illusion that we are seperate from our environment, since in order to enjoy meat, you have to pretend like it didn't come from cruelly slaughtered animals raised in horrid conditions. I feel like I can no longer grow spiritually while constantly ignoring the fact that meat causes so much suffering to so many living things.
So, I don't want to eat any more meat. I've flirted with vegetarianism before, once when in jr high which lasted a year and a half, but when I didn't care about still eating right, and once a couple months ago, where my rule was not to support the meat industry, but eat it if it was free or going to go to waste. Now, I am more serious about it. I got a good vegetarian cookbook. I read up on how to make sure to get all your vitamins. But, still, I realize it will be harder then I think at first, and I want to make sure I do everything I can to not go back to eating dead pieces of beautiful living things where I would see suffering in their eyes were I the one that killed them.
But now some vegetarian shroomerites need to give a new veggie some advice they wish they were told when they first stopped eatng meat.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4185001 - 05/17/05 01:00 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Start composting and create a garden, it will do you good.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4185008 - 05/17/05 01:01 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think it is wrong in a way too, but if someone else killed it already I will eat it, just not to extreme, people used to hunt to get what they needed for thier daily intake so they did not starve.. hunting for meat for survival is just part of culture..I say if someone else already killed it anyway, enjoy it..I am too active and protein powders are too damn expensive,,
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Skunk420]
#4185014 - 05/17/05 01:04 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't consider eating meat wrong per se, but I do sometimes feel guilty about supporting factory farming practices. When I stop relying on my school for food, I'm gonna start buying free-range meat, and maybe take up hunting.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4185016 - 05/17/05 01:05 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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What about the plants feelings? I'm the one that has to hear all of their screaming when you vegetarians chop them down and yank them out of the ground.
Free the plant world!
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Silversoul]
#4185028 - 05/17/05 01:09 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oh shut up, yea whatever...go buy some more burgers! that is already dead anyway..eat it, someone else already killed it..get my point? Kahsol> that is funny..that is true but, think about it everything has a part in everday life anyway..it is hard enough just to pay bills..
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4185031 - 05/17/05 01:10 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nice post... I recently became a pseudo-vegetarian myself, although I am slowly weening myself off of 20 years of meat consumption. I still eat fish every now and then, and shrimp! The funny thing is, ever since I've cut meat out of my diet, I've started to get a little bit of weight.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Adamist]
#4185044 - 05/17/05 01:14 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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More carbs man
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Skunk420]
#4185047 - 05/17/05 01:14 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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skunk78395 said: I think it is wrong in a way too, but if someone else killed it already I will eat it, just not to extreme, people used to hunt to get what they needed for thier daily intake so they did not starve.. hunting for meat for survival is just part of culture..I say if someone else already killed it anyway, enjoy it..I am too active and protein powders are too damn expensive,,
People also used to kill anyone who wandered onto their land or looked at their woman wrong. Sometimes, we should overcome our caveman thinking to be better people. I used to think if someone else killed it, enjoy, also. I'm still not quite sure why I don't think that. I was staring at this jerky piece, and it was like "I can't eat this. I know it will go to waste, but it's better off going to waste then going inside of me, because I want it so bad, and need to quit." So I didn't eat it.
It's quite clear that humans no longer need to eat meat to survive. So why do it? It only feels good if you limit your awareness to what your ego is feeling. If you expand your mind to the animals that were killed and the economics of meat, it doesn't feel so good anymore. So, I think eating meat regularly requires you to limit your awareness to enjoy it, and this impedes growing spiritually.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4185053 - 05/17/05 01:17 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I consider hunting to be a more spiritual experience, because you have the experience of the animal's soul leaving its body, and can make a connection with it, the way the Native Americans did.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4185082 - 05/17/05 01:26 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Meat is an addiction, not a necessity, like I was always led to believe... same with milk.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Adamist]
#4185097 - 05/17/05 01:27 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Technically, sleep is not a necessity either. But hey, I gotta go feed my sleep addiction. Good night, Shroomery!
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Silversoul]
#4185110 - 05/17/05 01:30 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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You really think hunting as it happens in America has anything to do with the native american experience?
No way. The native americans had to hunt because they couldn't live off of a vegetarian diet at the time. They felt horrible about killing animals and showed them much respect and appreciation for their sacrifice, which they only took when necessary for survival.
Maybe hunting populations that need thinning is OK. But you are insulting native americans if you think their survival hunting has anything to do with the white guys who make up for their small dicks by shooting helpless critters with their big guns and putting their heads on the walls.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Silversoul]
#4185122 - 05/17/05 01:34 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sleep is a harmless addiction.
Eating meat is a harmful addiction. You become more aware of this once you realize you are your environment.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4185131 - 05/17/05 01:37 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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it was part of culture to hunt, people abused it, but if you were starving, you would do it..just limit it, I mean if it is already killed just eat it already because it gave its right to live...OMG..fuck this talk, I work at Mcdonalds..we slaughter cows and chikens and fish..we are murderers. well without them I would not have a job and would be in jail, and starving myslef,,etc etc etc..what I was getting at...
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Skunk420]
#4185143 - 05/17/05 01:41 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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It didn't give it's life. It was taken.
If someone takes my life, and makes jerky out of me, I'd rather have that jerky go uneaten. Even if it cost someone their job and some people have to go without their addictiont o meat for a while.
You should quit your McJob, your life would be so much more free.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4185180 - 05/17/05 01:55 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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yea right, try having community service, fines. bills,,drug diverson classes..ua's once a week..more costs..bills..attourney fees,, plus the time that I work is best because of my community service and drug diverson classes..I will look for something in about 5 months when it is over... ..
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Skunk420]
#4185200 - 05/17/05 02:02 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Man, all that stuff must suck. They would never graduate me from a drug diversion class. I'd be like, "Excuse me, but you are a hypocrite." and they'd be like "Shut up and read the L. Ron Hubbard crap." and I'd be like "He was obviously on a bunch of drugs when he wrote this." and they'd be like "We're calling your probation officer." and I'd be like "Why don't you stupid fucks go die somewhere. Even if some of these people need help, your not giving it to them, your indoctrinating them. You are hypocrits."
Then they'd put me in jail. Hopefully with a big black guy with a high sex drive and some hook ups with the COs and the drug trade in the prison. :P
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4185231 - 05/17/05 02:12 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hhahah
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4185236 - 05/17/05 02:12 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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well, I am coping..I am a hipocrite, I admit it..but I have been a user of drugs and alcohol for years.. the court system makes $$$ on your bad habits..that is why cannabis is illegal still..
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Skunk420]
#4185253 - 05/17/05 02:19 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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The court system makes $$$ on the idiots who play the cops and robbers game.
If you manage to keep up appearances, you will never get caught. A co-worker just got fired a couple weeks ago for smoking pot in the cooler at work, the same day as the manager got fired for closing the place early and lying to the district managers face about it. Now I am going to be the manager of that store, all because I make sure to be clean cut (which is comfortable for me anyway), demand sundays off for church (which is usually the day I use to take mushrooms) and play classical music when I am in charge of the CD player and the boss could drop in. But, I also smoke pot in the cooler, never show up on time, and never do much of anything unless Im bored and need the time to pass. It's all about playing the system against itself rather then playing the game where you set yourself up as some part of the system, like a robber or a victim.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4185261 - 05/17/05 02:23 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I usually am ahead of thier game but I messed up, I am human..if I wasnt I would have been in prison many times over..I used to use hard drugs too sometimes..coke crack and meth..they suck but good thing I quit those..way before..
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Skunk420]
#4185271 - 05/17/05 02:27 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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You're not ahead of their game if you are doing meth. You've set yourself up as a failure.
Hey, do me a favor. Next time you jack off, put it in an eyedropper and drip it into the ice cream machine. People who support mcdonalds deserve it.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4185281 - 05/17/05 02:30 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I did meth off and on in the past about 3 years ago, and where I got to work is what pays my fines, bills, etc..it is not permanent..I never got into hard drugs that much anyway,,,quit being such a hater, you dont even know me very well..I only work at mcdonalds because of my situation..I dont support them..
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Skunk420]
#4185298 - 05/17/05 02:40 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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No, I'm not hating on you for working at mcdonalds. You misread me completely. (I am a hater for people who use meth, I deal with methheads at my work and they are so fucked up to deal with I hate them, while at the same time realizing such a pathetic lot needs compassion, not jail).
I'm suggesting you could use your position there to be subversive. I personally think getting high up in a bad organization lets you be really subversive. It's OK to work at mcdonalds if you put cum in the ice cream machine and stuff like that.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4185304 - 05/17/05 02:44 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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oh yea I dont blame you meth is bad, I regret I even was around it,,but I am not working there forever, just for now..you got to work where you got to sometimes..I seen people get messed up too many times on meth...i never said I supported that habit..it is evil..
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4185309 - 05/17/05 02:46 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I could possibly see myself becoming mostly vegetarian in the future if I can find a steady supply of quorn.

My problem is that I want to eat healthy, which to me means low-fat protein. But I can only eat so many beans
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Skunk420]
#4185316 - 05/17/05 02:49 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I worked at mcdonalds in high school for three months.
About a week before my last day, me and another dude had a fight with the guns that shoot mayonaise and shit like that. We ran through the whole restuarant causing havoc, getting shit everywhere, using several guns worth to attack each other with. We used customers as shields even.
The manager said "I expected it from you, other dude, but TomK I am disappointed in you."
Guess who got hit with the gun and had to find people to work my last shifts?
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4185321 - 05/17/05 02:52 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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sounds shitty, but life goes on..
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4185326 - 05/17/05 02:53 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thats the funniest thing I've read all day. That sounds like a blast.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4185337 - 05/17/05 02:58 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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hey I got to work where I got to work..I dont love it there either,I have done better and worse,,
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Skunk420]
#4185353 - 05/17/05 03:08 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dude, it's cool that you work at mcdonalds. Lots of people do that are OK.
Just make sure you jizz on the food every once in a while. Otherwise, you are missing oppritunities to give people what they deserve.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4185371 - 05/17/05 03:17 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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that is funny, I never thought I would go back to fast food..I just need to stay out of trouble and get me some sex, I go either gender now. actually I would like both at the same time..oh the european is in me..about time..
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Skunk420]
#4185388 - 05/17/05 03:29 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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jizzing in mcdonalds food and watching people eat it would sort of be like having sex with 2 genders at once. Go to it man.
Gay sex isn't really a european thing man. The euros are more about huge gangbangs with only 2 or three chicks then a lot of gay action. Unless your in some parts of germany, then it's all about the repressed homoerotic nazi scene.
Ohh, the neatherlands is a gay mecca. Amsterdamn and los angeles are both gay and drug meccas. I wonder why the two go together.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4185512 - 05/17/05 06:33 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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The native americans had to hunt because they couldn't live off of a vegetarian diet at the time. They felt horrible about killing animals and showed them much respect and appreciation for their sacrifice, which they only took when necessary for survival.
Thank you for saying this. Most Native Americans did not hunt to become one with the animal's soul they slayed, it was purely as ethical as possible survival techniques. Every part used, nothing left behind. Even the more violent tribes treated their hunts with great respect and recognized the importance of sustaining their food sources.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4185515 - 05/17/05 06:37 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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tomk said: You really think hunting as it happens in America has anything to do with the native american experience?
No way. The native americans had to hunt because they couldn't live off of a vegetarian diet at the time. They felt horrible about killing animals and showed them much respect and appreciation for their sacrifice, which they only took when necessary for survival.
Maybe hunting populations that need thinning is OK. But you are insulting native americans if you think their survival hunting has anything to do with the white guys who make up for their small dicks by shooting helpless critters with their big guns and putting their heads on the walls.
You have a very distorted view of hunting, my friend. Hunting isn't about guys with "small dicks" shooting "helpless critters" with "big guns." Hunters desire that primal connection with their prey that is missing from normal meat consumption. If you actually quit prejudging people and activities by false stereotypes, I might take what you have to say seriously.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Silversoul]
#4185542 - 05/17/05 07:09 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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well way back on topic - i was vegetarian from maybe age 0 til age 12. and then from age 16 until now (20). my biggest piece of advice is learn how to cook. it'll help you a lot. esp south indian cooking, my personal favourite, which has TONS of vegetarian options. good luck with all this - i guess i agree with paradigm that eating meat itself isn't wrong, but factory methods of producing meat are. that being said, i think meat is very disgusting and unappetizing and could never see myself eating it again.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Krishna]
#4185553 - 05/17/05 07:16 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Indian cuisine RULES.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4185682 - 05/17/05 08:30 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, I've been ovo-lacto vegetarian for about 6 years now, and I feel great. Actually a couple times when visiting the ocean I ate seafood, and a trout that I caught back West, but that's it. I suggest ethnic cooking, veggies and rice and curry makes me a happy boy. And fake meat is usually pretty good if you get the craving, especially Morningstar sausage links. I get most of my protein from Peanut Butter, cheese and tofu. Good luck in your decision, I totally support you and hope others will follow suit, or at least think more about their food choices.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4185738 - 05/17/05 09:03 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I am a vegetarian for many years now. I do not think I'll ever go back. My Zen teacher said a few months back, "I did not leave meat, meat left me."
I am currently learning the ins and outs of the Indian diet - my friend is a Hindu from Kashmir and has taken me under her wing. She says "avoid dead foods" - eat fresh, avoid crap food with preservatives and artificial...anything. There is something life altering when you begin cooking your own meals and avoiding processed and/or fast foods. You really become aware of your body and what you need - and you feel good.
Feeling physically good - that's what it is all about.
Good luck man - hit me up on aim or something if you want some recipes. I recommend learning the traditional Hindu diet.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Vvellum]
#4185757 - 05/17/05 09:13 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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bi0 said:
I am currently learning the ins and outs of the Indian diet - my friend is a Hindu from Kashmir and has taken me under her wing.
i'd recommend finding some south-indians to help out. north-indian food (perhaps due to the muslim influence, perhaps due to climate, i dunno?) tends to be much more meat-based. certainly there is a TON of vegetarian options compared to any western cuisine. but south indian food is really the shining example of hindu vegetarian cookery. (maybe it's just that is where i'm from and thus have a genetic bias towards it - but it's just so damn good!)
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Krishna]
#4185772 - 05/17/05 09:17 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah, that makes sense. the girl and know (and her family) are straight-up Hindu - no meat whatsoever. They pretty much eat all organic as well. Perhaps they follow the diet from the south.
Thanks for the heads up man!
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Vvellum]
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Yeah man, I want some recipes. Start with some easy recipes a guy who doesn't do much cooking could make without a bunch of trouble. You could put em here so other shroomerites could also enjoy. Yum. 
I love the spicy food. I always order my thai food 5 starts, and always feel like they made it 2 stars because I'm white and they think I can't handle it.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
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Respect to you. I've been a vegetarian for about 3 years now, and now that I think of it, it was one of the best decisions I made in my life. It depends on the place you live. When I decided to become vegetarian, I was living in Turkey which has a very meat induced servings and foods. It was sometimes hard to find veggy stuff, and I never saw things like veggy burgers and such. Now that I'm in canada, its pretty easy for me. Nearly all restaurants have veggy opportunities and they respect people for their decisions. Earlier when I said I was a vegetarian, people looked at me like I was a freak and it was hard for them to understand why I had chosen this path. Anyways, I think it will be good for your path on spirituality as well.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: BanJankri]
#4186087 - 05/17/05 11:02 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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 mmmm vegetarians
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advice: don't forget your Omega 3 fatty acids found in walnuts and flax oil or power. You'll need a serving a day. Also, you need to make sure you get your B12. You can get some in soymilk and other products that have been supplimented. Otherwise, take it in pill form.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4186132 - 05/17/05 11:15 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I commend you on your decision. Hopefully I will be able to do the same in the near future. How I love fresh fruits and veggies and beans and nuts and oh god.. soymilk. I do not enjoy eating greasy, refined, preservative-saturated foods. But most of the time the easiest (and cheapest) food to get, is meat, and other refined foods. If I ever manage to make it vegetarian, I would still eat fish though.. and eggs. whatever that is called.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Shroomism]
#4186155 - 05/17/05 11:20 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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i am not moarly against eating meat however i would like a dominantly vegi diet. I would limit my meat intake though to free range or natural meats, like wild game. I kinda wanna go down to the stream and catch me some luch right now.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4186173 - 05/17/05 11:23 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Good luck with the veggie-ism. Just remember, thinking of it in terms of "morality" and good or bad, well you have to keep that within the scope of yourself. Don't extend those judgments to those around you who still eat meat. I hate self-exalting vegetarians. Everyone's choices are half-chance..
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I like soymilk because it tastes better and doesn't make me sick like regular milk.
I get the vanilla flavor. Yum.
I think the trick is to be willing to suffer for something you want. You should look at how hard it would be to stop eating meat as an oppritunity for suffering that will better you as a person. If it makes you unhappy, well, thats just your illusory ego trying to bring you down, let go of it.
Actually, I don't think it has anything to do with suffering for me. To me, Id rather go hungry than eat meat now. You should spend a lot of time contemplating meat, staring at it without thinking. This might make it easy. And think about the factory farms and the lazy workers who probably jizzed in your food when you eat it. Rather then try and change, just try and be aware as you eat it about everything involved in it from the animal cruelty to factory farms, and remember that you are one with everything, even that stuff.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4186331 - 05/17/05 11:55 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Every time you tear into the flesh of a fried chicken, just think of all the hormones and steroids and shit that were pumped into it's little chicken body, and the cages that they're kept in that force them to breathe their own shit and piss. And don't forget Cournel Sanders' semen in each and every one of em.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4186356 - 05/17/05 11:58 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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red beans n rice red beans n rice i could eat a plate................
TWICE!
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Adamist]
#4186369 - 05/17/05 12:00 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thats why i eat free range. They live a good life until its their day to go.
Chocolate soy is the best stuff on earth.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4186385 - 05/17/05 12:04 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Congratulations to you for making the decision to become a vegetarian!
I've been a vegan for a little over 20 years. Without a doubt, the best decision I have made. I don't think there is anything else so simple that a person can do that can that can have such a great benefit to themselves, the world's hungry, the environment, and of course the animals.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: veggie]
#4186451 - 05/17/05 12:13 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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"If the revolution is to begin, it has to begin with food... It had to begin with land,animals, farms, nature... It has to begin with whats in my body and whats in my head"
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: BanJankri]
#4186460 - 05/17/05 12:15 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I like that quote... where's it from?
'Way of the Peaceful Warrior' by Dan Millman is one of the things that inspired me to start eating more consciously.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: BanJankri]
#4186480 - 05/17/05 12:19 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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who said that?
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Vvellum]
#4186497 - 05/17/05 12:22 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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vegetarian, mmmmmmmmmmm, more than a fair share of pesticides/herbicides.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Adamist]
#4186503 - 05/17/05 12:24 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Its from a magazine called adbusters
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: BanJankri]
#4186536 - 05/17/05 12:28 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ah... I thought it sounded familiar. Adbusters is great.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4189144 - 05/17/05 10:10 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oh I live in a repressed sexual state called Utah..well mainly this county is that way for sure...Salt Lake is different, I always wanted to do more men..or threesomes..whatever the combonation. I just worry about what family thinks...but who cares now..I have been so horny lately I could be bottom or top.. I know europeans like that group sex..I can get free porn..I look at all kinds except beast and scat pics..in fact i like to look at gay pron, lez porn, bi porn..any combonation, and want to try it.. Hey I am zee skunk, I love to cum ohh, I am surprized I haven't done more...I am not french I just like to french kiss....and more.. French kissing is the shit too, regular kissing is for sexuallly repressed people...
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4189163 - 05/17/05 10:17 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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tomk said: So, I had my third or fourth non-drug related spiritual experience today. I stopped smoking pot a few days ago (I decided not to smoke until the new shpongle album so that I could get super ripped when the new album came out before I give it a spin!). This morning I was hungry, so I went to my bag of chicken fajita jerky and grabbed a piece. It hit me very clearly that eating meat is wrong. Since we are all one, and not seperate from our environment, the harm from eating and farming meat is clearly harm we are inflicting on ourselves. It felt sort of indescribable, but kind of like I became a little bit detached and aware that eating meat feeds the illusion that we are seperate from our environment, since in order to enjoy meat, you have to pretend like it didn't come from cruelly slaughtered animals raised in horrid conditions. I feel like I can no longer grow spiritually while constantly ignoring the fact that meat causes so much suffering to so many living things.
So, I don't want to eat any more meat. I've flirted with vegetarianism before, once when in jr high which lasted a year and a half, but when I didn't care about still eating right, and once a couple months ago, where my rule was not to support the meat industry, but eat it if it was free or going to go to waste. Now, I am more serious about it. I got a good vegetarian cookbook. I read up on how to make sure to get all your vitamins. But, still, I realize it will be harder then I think at first, and I want to make sure I do everything I can to not go back to eating dead pieces of beautiful living things where I would see suffering in their eyes were I the one that killed them.
But now some vegetarian shroomerites need to give a new veggie some advice they wish they were told when they first stopped eatng meat.
stay away from thai food. a lot of their dishes use a fish sauce which they do not tell you about. also a lot of soups are made with beef stock.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4189227 - 05/17/05 10:32 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oh yea sorry about last night I was drunk and obnoxious...I get that way after about 6 beers..
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
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Wish I could do it man. Respect.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Learyfan]
#4189438 - 05/18/05 12:06 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Good luck - i too am moving towards the same path - When i eat meat lately i feel grossly sick and gassey, almost on the verge of vomitting.
Having eaten and loved meat for 18 years its challenging to quit - but over the past year ive become ever more obsessed with the pollution of my system through drugged animals, factory farming techniques, and the virtues of vegetarian and raw foodist lifestyles.
Its hard... Its so hard to avoid. Sometimes i think my physical reactions are psychosomatic.
Im sick at the moment and just got back from travelling - and am overcoming a cold - When im healthy again im doing Stanley burroughs Master Cleanse... and am looking to start a vegetarian diet. Luckily ive got enough money to sustain myself and pay my rent.. so throughout the cleanse i think ill do alot of reading/thinking/preparing towards more ever-needed lifestyle changes.
The first steps are hard to take!
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: headset]
#4190132 - 05/18/05 07:40 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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i too am moving towards the same path - When i eat meat lately i feel grossly sick and gassey, almost on the verge of vomitting
As do I, and for no specific reason, my stomach just doesn't take it anymore. Yeah, I eat meat twice a week and I don't plan on stoping my fish comsumption, but I can safely say the I feel a lot better than when I used to eat meat everyday. A little less energetic, but healthier.
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okay uhm - i've been a vegetarian for hmmm... shit 8 years now!!! woohoo for me.
if you say or ever hear a vegetarian or vegan saying they were not healthy b/c of the diet - it's because they didn't know what to eat. it's hard to understand what benefits your body when it's easier to eat fries, pasta and a frozen veggie burger everyday and still be considered a vegetarian.
IF you have any questions - ask me. i cook a lot to get what i need. i also buy fresh, whole foods.
listen - if Ironman Triathlete Brendan Brazier can be vegan and still do all the amazing things he does - then it's OBVIOUS that the diet isn't unhealthy - it's what you choose to eat within the diet.
as far as vegetable crying... stop. you aren't justifying the killing, torturing and MURDERING of animals. also - to get more involved in the situation, over-fishing hurts a LOT more than just the fish you eat. It kills natural predators. In Japan there was MASSIVE slayings of dolphins because they were eating the fish that the Japanese fishermen were trying to catch. So instead of thinking "Hey... maybe this is a result of us OVER FISHING" they decided to murder HUNDREDS of dolphins. The same goes for Killer Whales (or Orchas) in Norway.
Also - I would be careful about eating sea life considering they found out Killer Whales (mostly the male population) are dying from an AIDs type of disease because the water is SO polluted, their meat and tissue has become saturated with the pollutant and has caused them to die. They are living toxic waste now. If a whale that big is affected like that - how about the tiny little fish u eat?
If you don't care about animal rights, think about yourself and the future generations. The problems that mass production farmers are causing (a greenhouse effect in the rise of methane gases b/c of WAY too many cattle being forced to breed for food).
There are just so many reasons to be vegetarian/vegan... however i'm not one to preach - i will speak my mind and if you choose, after listening to all of this and understanding the effects, if you choose to eat meat - that's your choice and i move on.
HOWEVER... congrats on your vegetarianism... it's amazing and i am healthier than ever (i go to the doctor for blood tests... my mom STILL doesn't trust it but i'm always 100% healthy).
If you need any great recipes... let me know. i have a ton that i have tested and given to even meat eaters who couldn't get enough!!
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: headset]
#4190238 - 05/18/05 08:31 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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btw - at the age of 50... the average male has about 10 POUNDS of undigested meat in his system. it is obvious we are not really suppose to eat meat because our intestines are much longer than any other meat eater. a meat eater's intestines are short so the flesh and meat does not stay in the body long enough to rot. Our intestines are QUITE long... which leaves plenty of time to rot. rotting flesh... ugh. yucky.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Delyrium]
#4190242 - 05/18/05 08:33 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Im going to mcdonalds to get me a hamburger.
No offense
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SHEIKofSHIITAKE said: Thats why i eat free range. They live a good life until its their day to go.
technically - even if it is labeled "free-range" that could mean the chicken has 2 feet of space to run around. half the time the chickens are so mentally damaged that they do not even see the light of day because of fear of stepping out of their cages. unfortunately... many "free-range" products are not the happy, sunny farm you would hope for. if anything - i suggest local farmers. you can see the farm, how it's all done, and if you believe it's up to your standard of ethics then purchase your meat. also - supporting family farms are CRUCIAL!
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: KahSol]
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KahSol said: Im going to mcdonalds to get me a hamburger.
No offense
no offense taken but is it necessary to post that in a thread about vegetarianism? ya... i think not.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4190258 - 05/18/05 08:45 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Check out this post: einstein's opinion Many opinions in there and usefull info too, i think it worths reading and is a good laugh at points
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Delyrium]
#4190424 - 05/18/05 10:17 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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btw - at the age of 50... the average male has about 10 POUNDS of undigested meat in his system. it is obvious we are not really suppose to eat meat because our intestines are much longer than any other meat eater. a meat eater's intestines are short so the flesh and meat does not stay in the body long enough to rot. Our intestines are QUITE long... which leaves plenty of time to rot. rotting flesh... ugh. yucky.
yeah, that's nasty.
no wonder why meat eaters are 30-40% more likely to get colon cancer.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Vvellum]
#4190457 - 05/18/05 10:28 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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So got any tips to help us adapt to a new way of life?
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: headset]
#4190502 - 05/18/05 10:41 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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legumes, fresh vegetables, flax seed, bulk rice and beans, fruits, nuts, tofu....
eat fresh avoid preservatives [crap] avoid processed foods as much as possible begin to cook for yourself - it is way cheaper than fast or processed foods - just requires some patience and an openmind.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4190696 - 05/18/05 11:44 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thats good for you. I enjoy meat seldom and spend a lot of time cooking vegetarian dishes; I LOVE soy products. There is so much you can do with tofu and it's been delightful to experiment with. I recommend grabbing a tofu cookbook. Treat it like meat basically, and spice it up..it's great in so many dishes.
Also soy milk IMO is so much tastier than real milk. Get the creamy kind and mmm..and it is so good for you too. Another great vegetarian cookbook is called The Moosewood Cookbook. Its amazing.
Good Luck!
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Delyrium]
#4190800 - 05/18/05 12:10 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Delyrium said: btw - at the age of 50... the average male has about 10 POUNDS of undigested meat in his system.
I'm all for talking about how bad meat is, but my BS meter just went off the chart. Do you know how much pain someone is in with just 1 pound of blockage in their system? This just isn't true.
I'm gonna go get some tofu and start cooking with it soon. Right now I am going to eat some organic cereal with vanilla soy milk.
What about that ingredient in cheese called rennet that comes from cow tummies? What cheese is off limits to vegetarians?
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4193219 - 05/18/05 10:22 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I started eating salad more, just thinking about it..years of eating too much meat..I will cut down more but not all the way...
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4193847 - 05/19/05 12:58 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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but I still will eat meat, fish is great it has hardly any fat or other shit...I eat salad too, it makes me like a damn rabbit, eh whats up doc?? isnt bugs so damn cute you would want to fuck him senceless?? I had that fantacy too...
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Jenny]
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Jenny said: Another great vegetarian cookbook is called The Moosewood Cookbook. Its amazing.
Good Luck!
that's so funny u mentioned this book. for secret santa at work last year someone got me that book - it's just SO BIG that i haven't been able to look and pick out what to cook. hehe. any suggestions from the book? also - i am cooking for my meat eater boyfriend... if he doesnt like something i make, he goes and makes himself chicken noodle soup. lol.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Delyrium]
#4194741 - 05/19/05 09:44 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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mmm fish
did you know that 99% of americans don't get enough omega 3 fatty acids in their diet? one of the essential amino acids the body does not produce.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Shroomism]
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sure - so why do people claim they get enough when they eat fish?
omega 3 is in flax seed, walnuts, tofu and i believe some dark leafy greens. i usually just grind flax seed and put it over cereal or oatmeal... it's delicious - tastes nutty. here read this: http://www.vegsoc.org/info/omega3.html
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Delyrium]
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ya.. but most people hardly ever eat fish. let alone flax seeds, walnuts and soy products. mmmmmmm soy products...
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Shroomism]
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i never understood that. Fish are very VERY VERY tasty I'll admit. I was amazed at some middle-class retard who didn't know fish filets were made of fish. "OMG! THEY HAVE BONES?!"
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: vampirism]
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fish is damn tasty.. especially when done right. plus it is high in nutrients and essential acids.. which is why if I went veggie I would still eat fish.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Shroomism]
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Hm. why would you be going veggie then? For health concerns?
But in that case, why not just eat really healthy meat or hunt?
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: vampirism]
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All meat contains uric acid. especially red meat. High concentrations of uric acid builds up in the body tissue and can lead to gall stones, heart disease, obesity, gout, rheumatism, kidney disease, and a thousand other bad things. Not to mention the growth hormones and whatnot in most meat. And allah only knows what else. Besides that, meat is an inefficient food source. You get something like 10% of the food energy that the animal ate. You can get more protein and zero uric acid by eating less nuts than you would meat. And the body cannot properly digest meat completely.. so it blocks your intestines. And that's just what I know off the top of my head.
"healthy" meat.. I assume you mean free-range, organically fed meat.. is better than the shit pumped with growth hormones and such.. yes.. but still has the uric acid.. still is meat. Fish is healthy. I'm not sure if it contains any uric acid or not (I don't think so).. but it has omega 3 fatty acids, an essential acid the body needs to survive.. where cow, chicken, turkey, pig, etc.. does not. If I would hunt my own food it would be fishing.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Shroomism]
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Vegetarians develop choline related disorders. (Unless they know what they are doing)
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and meat eaters have heart attacks unless they know what they are doing
but that's why I said I would still eat fish, and eggs. eggs have high amounts of lecithin/choline. But unless I am mistaken soybeans also have high amounts of choline, and what vegetarian in their right mind doesn't eat soybeans.. or some soy product.
People always talk about vegetarians not getting enough nutrients, but the simple fact is most people, meat eaters included, don't get the proper nutrients. It's just the way our culture's diet is set up. You look at other cultures.. take mediterranean and asain cuisine for example.. and they don't have half the problems we do. That's cause their meals revolve around a diverse set of fruits and vegetables and nuts and legumes, and not hamburgers and potato chips and soda and deep-fried pig balls, and what have you. How many obscenely fat americans are there? It's disgusting. How many fat japanese people have you seen?
Not that I don't love deep fried pig balls.. and not that I don't eat meat pretty much on a regular basis. But I'm trying ringo.. I'm trying reeeeaaaaal hard.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: shanti]
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shanti said: advice: don't forget your Omega 3 fatty acids found in walnuts and flax oil or power. You'll need a serving a day. Also, you need to make sure you get your B12. You can get some in soymilk and other products that have been supplimented. Otherwise, take it in pill form.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Shroomism]
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ya know shroomism - i REALLY like ur replies. u show both sides of the spectrum and i REALLY respect that shine on
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I try to embrace the duality and even though I eat meat.. I yearn to be a veg and have mad respect for those who can pull it off
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Shroomism]
#4195422 - 05/19/05 12:33 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Stop trying to be a vegetarian and just do it man. Sounds like you really know your stuff.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
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If all your ancestors had been vegetarian, you'd still be a monkey somewhere in africa. Vegetarianism makes no sense and denies your heritage.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4195465 - 05/19/05 12:40 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well I've been studying diet/nutrition and herbs and stuff for a while now. I just can't seem to be able to go full veggie. I'm hungry a lot, but often too poor to be able to eat what I really want. It sucks that organic food is the most expensive, and meat so cheap...and available everywhere. And when I get invited to dinners and stuff.. almost everyone serves meat dishes. And I'm not one to pass up food. But those are all just lame excuses aren't they. You're right I should just do it.
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Actually, in the hunter/gatherer society.. meat comprised about 5-10% of the food. The gatherers collecting the nuts and berries and plants and shit.. that was 90% of what those societies ate.
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Madweed420shroom said: If all your ancestors had been non-territorial, you'd still be a monkey somewhere in africa. Not being terratorial makes no sense and denies your heritage.
Sometimes things change from 10,000 years ago. Sometimes for the better. The necessity of eating meat has changed. 10,000 years ago, it didn't make sense to be a vegetarian, now it does.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Shroomism]
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Man think how free you will be when you just do it and no longer have to struggle with it. It will free up all the energy you spend thinking about it, and all the energy your body spends fighting meat toxins.
You know those are just lame excuses.
If you can't afford organic food, eat non-organic vegetarian food, you are still better off then eating meat.
Personally, I don't always prefer the organic stuff. For example, organic strawberries are nasty little moldy pieces of shit, but non-organic strawberries are big and tasty. Yum. Sometimes, technology helps them make better food. You'd be better off eating non-organic vegetarian, then eating meat.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
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True that.. and man.. just thinking about how good fruit is makes me almost cream my pants. Biting into a sweet, ripe strawberry.. oh man. Or how about a nice juicy orange.. mango.. grapes.. oh so good. Peaches.. apples.. cherries.. dont get me started.
Ok that settles it.. other than fish and eggs.. I'm not eating meat anymore. Let's see how this works out.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Shroomism]
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props.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
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something funny w/ organic stuff. i usually buy cheap - organic when i feel fancy - but cheap b/c i live alone, got 2 shitty paying jobs and school... so i went fancy for mother's day and made the family a spinach & artichoke lasagna with a raspberry & walnut salad (btw - my family and even their friends who came to eat, INHALED it and all agree i should open up a resturant.... sounds like a fun idea).
so my bf and i were chopping up the rosemary for the dish and he starts screaming (hehe... loud, girlie scream) and there's a spider in it. now that's normal for organic but still creepy... ya know? what if we accidentally chopped his leg and it's in our food? eh... it creeps me out at times.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism said: Ok that settles it.. other than fish and eggs.. I'm not eating meat anymore. Let's see how this works out.
yay!! well u can count on me to be there if u need anything or have any questions about it.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Delyrium]
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eh.. eating a spider on accident wont kill you. We probably eat spiders in our sleep. I think I read that there's 50 spiders per square foot of grass. It's inevitable.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Delyrium]
#4195721 - 05/19/05 01:21 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Anyone know any good vegetarian websites with lots of recipes?
I am too lazy to put vegetarian in google and browse through 8 pages of google ads.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4195726 - 05/19/05 01:22 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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www.vegweb.com
all my great ones come from there. if i get my 10 page paper done before 9 - i'll head over to Whole Foods and start on a new recipe.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
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Madweed420shroom said: If all your ancestors had been non-territorial, you'd still be a monkey somewhere in africa. Not being terratorial makes no sense and denies your heritage.
Sometimes things change from 10,000 years ago. Sometimes for the better. The necessity of eating meat has changed. 10,000 years ago, it didn't make sense to be a vegetarian, now it does.
You need the protein in meat to support your large brain, vegetarianism makes people stupid.
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apparently so does too much meat.
You do know that protein is found in many, many non-animal based products, riiiiight?
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You do know that soy, and many nuts, have more protein than meat right?
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Shroomism]
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Excerpts from the thread: einstein's opinion
"Nothing will benefit human health or increase the chances for survival of life on earth as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."
-- Albert Einstein
The father of the science called "medicine" (Ipokratis) was a vegetarian. And when he was alive , animal flesh was hundreds of times healthier than what it is today.
"Your medicine is your food" Ipokratis 460B.C.
It is not very hard to see that whatever substances humans consume, have specific effects. Simply put, we are what we eat. Either thats drugs, or food, the result is that we literally become one, with the substance.(it travels in our body,and is part of it)
People can manage to live, by consuming crapy food, as well as crapy drugs, but like the coke user will end up without having very much fun at the end of his career, so will the man who eats toxins.
The central nervous system is directly affected by the amount of toxins present in the body, even trips are highlighted with less toxins in our system.
Terrence McKenna and his ideas about radical transformation of humans in order to save the eco-system, seem to agree with a more aware behaviour towards our diet, something that vegetarianism really make us do.
Science is on my side too, this branch of psychology called: Psychodietology investigates how eaach food in particular affects the central nervous system of humans.
Each food, a diferent reaction. One of their studies, shows clearly that humans who consume meat are more violent than others that don't.
If you look at this from a higher level, you 'll see that every single war on this planet is based on violence.
Violence is a form of stupidity, and stupidity is mainly caused by bad diet. The spiritual health is directly connected with the physical. Too many toxins in our body, means too many toxic thoughts in our brain.
These 2 boards are enough imo to explain everything concerning the scientific feedback for vegetarianism: click here and scroll down to see the board
click and scroll down to c the other board
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Sterile]
#4196036 - 05/19/05 02:24 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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great post 
Our medicine is indeed our food. A lot of people (here and irl) come to me for advice about sickness and such.. and I just try to turn them on to more natural healthy foods, and herbs. It's truly amazing when you realize that so much disease is directly caused by our diet, and that simply changing your diet can impact your health so dramatically. I've heard cases of even cancer disappearing, when people make drastic lifestyle changes as far as diet, exercise, herbs, fresh air, and sunshine go. Our health is in our hands. Not only our physical health, but our mental and emotional health.. and thus the collective health of the planet and everyone on it.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Sterile]
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Great post!
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Sterile]
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Sterile said: The father of the science called "medicine" (Ipokratis) was a vegetarian. And when he was alive , animal flesh was hundreds of times healthier than what it is today.
"Your medicine is your food" Ipokratis 460B.C.
I'm not in possession of all the information, and so can't make a decision about the healthiness of vegetarian diets vs. non-vegetarian, but the quoted statement seems very suspicious.
~2500 years ago humans did not have refrigeration, instead relying on salting and similar techniques to preserve meat, had no methods to screen livestock for hoof & mouth disease and other infectious diseases, no accurate methods for determining whether meat had been adequately cooked to kill any microbes.
Why do you say meat today is "hundreds of times" less healthy? Due to the use of hormones on livestock and genetically engineered feed?
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: TinTree]
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me and my girl made this the other night. ive always loved it! and its no fail. u follow these simple directions and ur sure to have a delicious meal!
Cold Noodles with Peanut Sauce! Ingredients- 1 pound spaghetti...i prefer like flat wide noodles like fettucini. 4 tablespoons sesame oil 1/2 cup of natural style peanut butter 1/3 cup soy sauce 3 tablespoons chinese rice wine or sherry 1 tablespoon water 1 and 1/2 tablespoon rice vinegar or other vinegar 1 tablespoon vegetable oil 1 tablespoon firmly packed light brown sugar 3 garlic cloves minced 1 teaspoon fresh ginger minced 1/2 teaspoon crushed red pepper flakes (more or less to taste) 1 cucumber peeled, cut , seeded, cut to style u like 4 scallions thinly sliced
1) cook spaghetti al dente. drain, rinse under cold water. Toss noodles with 2 tablespoons sesame oil. cover and chill untill ready to combine with peanut sauce. to chill faster take bowl of spaghetti and place in lager bowl with ice water. 2) to make sauce combine remaining 2 tablespoons of sesame oil with all other ingredients EXCEPT THE CUCUMBER AND SCALLIONS. beat untill well mixed. doesnt look like it might mix at first but it will soak into itself nicely eventualy. let cool. if feeding then and there repeat cooling method with larger bowl of ice water. should be a matter of minutes before each is cold enough to serve. dont cool the sauce too long as it will be hard to mix in the speghetti. might not be necesary to cool the sauce so long as the speghetti is cold enough. just tastes better cold i think. 3) just before serving toss noodles with sauce and mix in well. add the cucumbers and the chopped part of scallions n mix. u only need to chop the bottom half of the scallions for the most part as the top half is not needed.
this is a delicious dish if u ask me and im psyched on bustin it out this summer at bbqs, shows, and whatever. personally, when we made it, i could have done with more cucumbers and more scallions for substance. at least more cucumnbers. thats just me though. if anyone trys this let me know how it turned out and if u liked!
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: DeadPhan]
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I'm gonna make this this weekend, but I'm going to nix the cucumber, and add some broccoli and tofu soaked in teriyaki or soy instead.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Sterile]
#4196628 - 05/19/05 04:42 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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WONDERFUL post Sterile... really i loved it and i want to read more about it. thank you very much!!
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: TinTree]
#4196631 - 05/19/05 04:44 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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i do believe many of the diseases we face in meat today is caused by humans. im currenty working on a 12 page paper right now about American Indians so my brain is too stuffed right now to get into it but i'll look up more on what i just said when im done w/ my paper (AHHHHH im going nuts and getting angry from all the things i've learned while writing the paper..)
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Delyrium]
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I have maybe made a few meals from there so far..my favorite is the Tomato Lime Mexican soup..its really easy to make and tastes soo good 
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Shroomism]
#4196877 - 05/19/05 06:16 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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did you know that 99% of americans don't get enough omega 3 fatty acids in their diet? one of the essential amino acids the body does not produce.
fatty acids aren't amino acids. Come on PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
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ive had it before with nuts as well. not sure what kind but that was good too.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Sterile]
#4196910 - 05/19/05 06:25 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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In honor of this thread, I just went and ate a 10 oz steak, medium rare (a PROPER medium rare), 28 day aged at 34?F. A nice bottle of merlot to wash it down with. I love being at the top of the food chain.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: looner2]
#4196913 - 05/19/05 06:26 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: looner2]
#4197668 - 05/19/05 10:02 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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lol.. my mistake.. don't be stepping on my essential acids, jive turkey
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: TinTree]
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~2500 years ago humans did not have refrigeration, instead relying on salting and similar techniques to preserve meat, had no methods to screen livestock for hoof & mouth disease and other infectious diseases, no accurate methods for determining whether meat had been adequately cooked to kill any microbes.
Why do you say meat today is "hundreds of times" less healthy? Due to the use of hormones on livestock and genetically engineered feed?
The meat in ancient times was hunted down in virgin forests with no pollution or any other negative impact or hormonic distortion to the animals caused by violent slow & painfull slaughtering as done today.
The animals food was pure, and the food chain wasn't controled by huge money making corporations. The money system as it is today, just makes shure you get enough quantity and doesn't give a shit about quality, not to mention global gaian health.
As a matter of fact, they where doing brain surgery when hippocratis lived.
Actually i am not shure about the average life span either anymore, cos time is relative, and people in the past, might have been living 10x times the actual number of years they lived since quality(and not only quantity as today) was very important to them.
Just remember the ceremonies and all the mushroom-drug based culture past civilizations had.
Time distortion is a fact for psychonautics, and numbers are not so stable in those altered states of consciousness.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: SoopaX]
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LMAO at post in combo with avatar
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Shroomism]
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Our medicine is indeed our food. A lot of people (here and irl) come to me for advice about sickness and such.. and I just try to turn them on to more natural healthy foods, and herbs. It's truly amazing when you realize that so much disease is directly caused by our diet, and that simply changing your diet can impact your health so dramatically. I've heard cases of even cancer disappearing, when people make drastic lifestyle changes as far as diet, exercise, herbs, fresh air, and sunshine go. Our health is in our hands. Not only our physical health, but our mental and emotional health.. and thus the collective health of the planet and everyone on it.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Sterile]
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I'll eat my meat, you go on feeding yourself that factless hippy bullshit.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Sterile]
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I think it's also really interesting how many diseases could be avoided if everyone was veggy. Obviously mad cow and stuff like that, but so many pathogens evolved in animals and only jumped the species barrier because of our close association with captive animals:
flu > comes from poultry crammed together in asia HIV > from eating bush meat in Africa Streptococcus > certain virulent strains evolved from bovine mastitis
Not to mention the common food poisonings from salmonella, E. coli etc. (which can of course come from veggies, but not nearly as often).
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Aeolus1369]
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flu > comes from poultry crammed together in asia HIV > from eating bush meat in Africa Streptococcus > certain virulent strains evolved from bovine mastitis
Not to mention the common food poisonings from salmonella, E. coli etc. (which can of course come from veggies, but not nearly as often).
wow, very interesting! HIV from eating bush meat in Africa? what exactly is "bush meat"?
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Sterile]
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Bush meat is monkey. I think the current opinion is that HIV made the species jump during the bloody butchering process. Interestingly enough there's evidence that it actually jumped once before as early as the 50's I think, but that was obviously a less virulent strain.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Aeolus1369]
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Links to proof please?
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I heard romours that HIV was a man made desiese made to wipe out the black race by some white hater group or something, but I never heard that before..monkey meat?
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Skunk420]
#4201366 - 05/20/05 08:28 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Vegetarianism can be a very healthy choice... but the holier-than-thou-meateater attitude many vegetarians pickup along the way isn't worth it. Diets are extremely individualized, and telling someone meat is wrong for them seems absurd. (Unless you are their Nutrietionist)
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Fish is really healthy way to eat meat if are on a diet...I think it is crazy as well to tell people that it is wrong intirely to eat meat..but to eat too much of it is a different story..but doing too much of anything can be bad too...
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4202202 - 05/21/05 01:50 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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My wife and I have both been vegetarians for 15+ years. We have three kids and they have never tasted meat. If your going to be a vegetarian(especially with kids) it's important to study up on nutrition and be able to provide all the necessary nutrients. I can definitely say that being a vegetarian has improved my mental, physical and spiritual health.
Being a vegetarian is a life choice we made. I respect people who have made the choice to eat meat. I have a couple friends that are preachy vegetarians who constantly fuck with carnivores. It drives me nut's. People have the right to eat what they want. I do wish that there was a better way for people to get meat that wasn't so stressful for our planet and more healthy for the consumers.
To each his own.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Organic]
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The native americans had to hunt because they couldn't live off of a vegetarian diet at the time. They felt horrible about killing animals and showed them much respect and appreciation for their sacrifice, which they only took when necessary for survival.
Thank you for saying this. Most Native Americans did not hunt to become one with the animal's soul they slayed, it was purely as ethical as possible survival techniques. Every part used, nothing left behind. Even the more violent tribes treated their hunts with great respect and recognized the importance of sustaining their food sources.
****Bullshit Alarm**** Native Americans still exist, they could easily live off a vegetarian diet like vegetarians in modern day society yet they still (over)fish, trap animals for fur like minks, otters and beavers, kill sea otters also just because they are eating "their" abalone, and worst of all they hunt frickin WHALES, when every other peoples have signed international treaties not to (even ones who didn't contribute to their decline)! If anything, they're worse in a lot of ways than a lot of industrialized nations. Natives were/are not the sustainable ecological saints that many naive hippies would like to make them out to be.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Tao]
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Miscusi]
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This thread makes me sad.
So I pulled out the pot roast and made a sandwhich.
After that, I put on my leather jacket and went for a walk, looking cool and feeling full.
Look people, the plain fact of the matter is, like it or not, your body is *made* to intake plant and animal material and there are just *some* things that you can *only* get from animal foods. Support organic farms - organic meat is good. It's hundreds of times healthier than the meat everyone else eats from corporate barn, and at least as much more humane. Not bad... Only bad thing is organic food became trendy and now it's expensive. Not like the drug companies want us without their hormones, anyway
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: delta9]
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delta9 said: This thread makes me sad.
So I pulled out the pot roast and made a sandwhich.
After that, I put on my leather jacket and went for a walk, looking cool and feeling full.
Look people, the plain fact of the matter is, like it or not, your body is *made* to intake plant and animal material and there are just *some* things that you can *only* get from animal foods. Support organic farms - organic meat is good. It's hundreds of times healthier than the meat everyone else eats from corporate barn, and at least as much more humane. Not bad... Only bad thing is organic food became trendy and now it's expensive. Not like the drug companies want us without their hormones, anyway
So what exactly is it that you get from meat that you cant get from other non-animal sources that is so vital for human survival? ive ben a vegetatian for 10 years with no problems, so what is your point?
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: egghead1]
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I'm not telling you to eat meat. I'm not saying that with synthetic supplements you can't get EVERY nutrient you need.
I'm just telling you, your body really does want to eat meat - it *really* does.
You don't have to do it, or anything.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: delta9]
#4202666 - 05/21/05 07:18 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't know if our digestive system has had the time to evolve around meat. I don't think we invented fire long enough ago. That's probably why fruit is about the only food that most everyone can eat raw.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: delta9]
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My body *really* does not want to eat meat. Im don't feel hungry for meat, i dont like the taste of meat, my body does not require any food that has to be predigested through cooking for me to consume. I take no synthetic suppliments and have not done for about 10 years, im in perfect health for my age, which has been confirmed by my doctor. So i dont see where you are comming from really?
I get ALL of the nurients i need to function and live a long and healhty life. Meat does more harm than good to the human body. Animal flesh has very little nutrients, and is more difficult for the body to digest than most other foods.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: egghead1]
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animal flesh has tons of nutrients.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: looner2]
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Your flesh does too, eh?
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Adamist]
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More so than others.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: egghead1]
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egghead1 said: My body *really* does not want to eat meat. Im don't feel hungry for meat, i dont like the taste of meat, my body does not require any food that has to be predigested through cooking for me to consume. I take no synthetic suppliments and have not done for about 10 years, im in perfect health for my age, which has been confirmed by my doctor. So i dont see where you are comming from really?
I get ALL of the nurients i need to function and live a long and healhty life. Meat does more harm than good to the human body. Animal flesh has very little nutrients, and is more difficult for the body to digest than most other foods.


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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: egghead1]
#4202714 - 05/21/05 08:06 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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My only problem with some vegetarians is their sense of superiority. Many I've met feel they are morally superior and/or (just as bad if not worse) they feel their vegetarianism makes them inherently healthier than those "dirty" meat eaters.
Being a vegetarian/vegan or an omnivore is simply a personal preference. It doesn't make a person better or worse in any way than anyone else.
I was a vegetarian for about a year, year and a half and a strict vegan for a year and a half. After I started eating meat again I felt much better. I would actually feel full after a meal. But that is how my body reacts. Other people can be and likely are completely different so for them a vegetarian lifestyle may work better.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: chinacat72]
#4202718 - 05/21/05 08:09 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Also it just popped into my head...
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chinacat72 said: I have a couple friends that are preachy vegetarians who constantly fuck with carnivores.
Not too many humans are carnivores - it's immensely more unhealthy than playing herbavore.
We humans are, biologically, omnivores. No matter what kind of food tastes, textures, and sources you PREFER and make you salivate, and so on, you are *still* an omnivore. A deficient omnivore, but an omnivore still.
Would you think it healthy to feed an omnivorous pet only vegetables?
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: delta9]
#4202723 - 05/21/05 08:14 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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you're wrong.
First of all, carnivore can be used to describe someone who eats meat- not JUST meat, but meat. This is not a strict specification to be used only on animals that eat nothing but meat.
And as for being an omnivore, you're just making a label and enforcing its conceptual weakness as your point. If some people are perfectly healthy and eat only animals, you are wrong to call them deficient omnivores, because the label was bunk to begin with. It's the same as if I called an iguana an omnivore because they eat insects on accident, and then forced meat down its throat because it's an omnivore.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: newuser1492]
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cb9fl said: I was a vegetarian for about a year, year and a half and a strict vegan for a year and a half. After I started eating meat again I felt much better. I would actually feel full after a meal. But that is how my body reacts.
You ever try any Indian cuisine? That shit makes me feel completely full, without the need for meat..
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Adamist]
#4202737 - 05/21/05 08:25 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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without the need for meat.
See it's those comments vegetarians make that seem elitist. As if eating meat is something that should be avoided. I love meat, it's not something I want to or feel any need to avoid. And yes I've tried Indian food. Some of their chicken curry dishes are great.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Tao]
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Tao said: Natives were/are not the sustainable ecological saints that many naive hippies would like to make them out to be.
Bullshit Alert Natives the world over lived in a completely sustainable manner for thousands of years. This was due to the fact that while they may have depleted a certain resource in a certain area, they could simply move to the next area where that resource was available, and the first area could be replinished naturally. For example Amazonian tribes use/used the slash and burn method of agriculture with great success. Slashing and burning entails cutting down the vegitation and burning it as a means of fertilization. They would "farm" a slashed and burned area of land for several years, and then they would leave for the next plot of land when the previous one was no longer able to produce sufficiently. After a few decades the natives could return to the original plot of land, and repeat the process. If this isn't sustainable I don't know what is.
Of course this doesnt apply to all natives, as many had given up the nomadic lifestyle for permanent settlements after agriculture was developed, but a completely sustainable lifestyle was essential before that time(and was still very favorable even after the development of agriculture, as displayed by the slash and burn example). Modern humans first cause local ecological destruction by staying in the same place for extended periods and depleting resources while at the same time contaminating that area with waste. Over time these local problems will likely become systemic.
While I wouldn't call early humans ecological saints, they lived in a way that allowed an ecosystem to heal it wounds essentially. Humans of today are simply driving a dagger into the heart of these same ecosystems.
Oh yeah, and I'm not even a hippie.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: vampirism]
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Oh, I am wrong, am I? Biology Daily doesn't seem to think so.
Herbivore:
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In zoology, an herbivore is an animal that is adapted to eat primarily plants (rather than meat). Thus, while humans may choose not to eat meat, such individuals are vegetarians, not herbivores. A true herbivore, such as a cow, is unable to chew or digest meat. However, many herbivores will eat eggs and occasionally other animal protein..
Some herbivores can be classified as frugivores, which eat mainly fruit; or folivores, which specialize in eating leaves. This specialization is far from universal, however, and many fruit- and leaf-eating animals also eat other parts of plants, notably roots and seeds. The diets of some herbivorous animals vary with the seasons, especially in the temperate zones, where different plant foods are most available at different times of year. Here is a list below that includes animals that are unable to chew or digest animal matter.
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Carnivores are animals that eat a diet consisting mostly of meat.
Also, the word could refer to the mammals of the Order Carnivora, many (but not all) of which fit the first definition. Bears are an example of members of Carnivora that are not true carnivores. Carnivores that eat primarily (or only) insects are called insectivores.
A true carnivore is an animal that subsists primarily on a diet consisting only of meat. They may consume other products presented to them, especially animal products like cheese and bone marrow, or sweet sugary substances like honey and syrup, but do not need to consume these on a regular basis. True carnivores lack the physiology required for the digestion of vegetable matter.
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Omnivores are organisms that consume both plants and animals.
At one time the word omnivore was used to designate the pig family.
We humans are omnivores - we are not carnivores and we are not herbivores. Carnivore (high protein, low carb) diets are especially UNhealthy for us Omnivore humans.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: delta9]
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Straight from 5th grade Biology class, right?
Out in the world, many herbivores refer to omnivores as carnivores but mincing words can waste a weekend.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: delta9]
#4202764 - 05/21/05 08:46 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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no shit? Maybe it's because they don't use the more commonly used vernacular version of the term.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: wandrnshaman]
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egghead1 said: My body *really* does not want to eat meat. Im don't feel hungry for meat, i dont like the taste of meat, my body does not require any food that has to be predigested through cooking for me to consume. I take no synthetic suppliments and have not done for about 10 years, im in perfect health for my age, which has been confirmed by my doctor. So i dont see where you are comming from really?
I get ALL of the nurients i need to function and live a long and healhty life. Meat does more harm than good to the human body. Animal flesh has very little nutrients, and is more difficult for the body to digest than most other foods.


You should research that post, delta9, you may learn a little something.
Sorry, I was laughing because I think I found evidence of brain-rot through lack of animal proteins.
Just because one does not like the taste of "meat" (as if all meats taste the same, regardless of seasoning, marinating, spicing, and so on) and would, therefore, obviously not "get hungry for meat" (as if when one gets hungry one is hungry for a specific food group I generally just want FOOD ANY FOOD, but I've lived on the streets, excuse me) doesn't change the fact that your BODY wants it. It's your MIND saying "I don't like this". MIND DOES NOT EQUAL BODY.
If humans were meant to be herbivores, we would not have the requisite acids in our single (important because herbivores usually have more) stomach.
You've all been brainwashed - but each to their own
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: vampirism]
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Morrowind said: no shit? Maybe it's because they don't use the more commonly used vernacular version of the term.
*claps*
Great comeback.
Now who said I was using this so called (and very redundant) "commonly used vernacular version"? Vernacular means it is in common use. See, aren't proper definitions fun? That's why I use them when I post. You should, too. It makes communication more clear and precise.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Twister]
#4202957 - 05/21/05 10:34 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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You say "bullshit" then nothing of what you write has anything to do with refuting my claim. 'Slash-and-burn agriculture allows everything to grow back.' Yeah no shit, too bad with 6.3+ billion people that doesn't quite work anymore if we want people to live past 45 and others not to starve to death. Early humans had to resort to infanticide in order to keep numbers down and avoid starvation. My point about them not being saints(which you explicitly agree with after saying 'bullshit'??) is that its not a moral decision--they did not consciously choose to preserve non-human life for its intrinsic value, they just didnt have the technology of hoes and plows, much less industrialization.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: delta9]
#4202958 - 05/21/05 10:34 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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****Bullshit Alarm**** Native Americans still exist, they could easily live off a vegetarian diet like vegetarians in modern day society yet they still (over)fish, trap animals for fur like minks, otters and beavers, kill sea otters also just because they are eating "their" abalone, and worst of all they hunt frickin WHALES, when every other peoples have signed international treaties not to (even ones who didn't contribute to their decline)! If anything, they're worse in a lot of ways than a lot of industrialized nations. Natives were/are not the sustainable ecological saints that many naive hippies would like to make them out to be.
Don't get too proud of yourself. I was referring to past Native Americans. You know, before the casinos and stuff. Today many are profit driven, this is why they exploit nature. America is hardly what is was before manifest destiny. Nothing in your tirade would I consider unethical given the situation they lived in. I doubt whales would be endangered if their only threat was native hunters
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Tao]
#4202962 - 05/21/05 10:35 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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For every animal you vegans don't eat, I'm going to eat 3.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Adom]
#4202975 - 05/21/05 10:40 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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This thread makes me want to rip out my eyes. We are all one and all connected but some how we have no connection to the plant world? What the fuck ever, all is all. I'm surpised at the shit spewed in this thread, I'd rather hear jews and christians argue. Fuck.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: delta9]
#4203006 - 05/21/05 10:50 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Carnivore is just a term I used to describe some of my meat eating friends. It was 4 in the morning and I wasn't meaning to engage in a introductory biology debate on diet terminology. The point I was making was that it bothered me when my friends would start being judgmental on others who don't share there dietary beliefs. That said ,my family and I choose not to eat meat and feel were more healthy for it. What other people eat is of no concern to us. As for the debate on whether humans are supposed to eat meat or not I have spent to many years listening to people on both sides of the fence throw out there opinions and "proof". I have seen compelling data from both sides. It still doesn't have a effect on what I eat though. I made the decision along time ago to become a vegetarian and feel it was the right one for me. Others are entitled to eat what they want. I have better things to do then try to push my beliefs and opinions on others.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Organic]
#4203023 - 05/21/05 10:53 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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So their culture and values just happened to change right as the technology and resources around them changed? Yeah right.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Tao]
#4203040 - 05/21/05 11:01 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't lump all Native Americans together. Some may exploit, some still practice the native way of life. Most of them were sort of forced to adapt in their reservations wouldn't you say? The barter system is dead, money is key to survival.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: chinacat72]
#4203056 - 05/21/05 11:06 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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That said ,my family and I choose not to eat meat and feel were more healthy for it.
That's an awesome attitude. From my experience it's a rare occurrence on either side of the spectrum but mostly from vegetarians.
How do you attempt to allow your children an unbiased free will to choose for themselves a vegetarian or omnivore lifestyle? They may very well choose to have the same lifestyle as you but do they do so because you espouse certain ideas and qualities associates with that lifestyle? Or do they truly choose on their own to be vegetarians?
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You will eat the meat, folks, because it's a decision not to eat meat. It's an instinct to want it. You don't pop out of your mother's womb and go, "Yah, I'll have some soybean milk and some eggplant, please." No. You pop out of there and go, "I'll have some breast milk and a cheeseburger medium and cut this shit off before a placenta eater shows up."
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Tao]
#4203064 - 05/21/05 11:09 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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(Edit, not targeted at Tao)
OK. I can respect the carnivore (in the sense that omnivores are carnivores) people who say they can respect a vegetarians choice but don't like the militant ones. Fine.
But I can't respect hippocrites.
By coming and posting your meat eating shit on this thread, about a person who decided to become a vegetarian and was asking for advise for new vegetarians, you carnivores are showing the same disrespect for my choices that militant vegan nazis show for yours.
You fucks who are posting those "eat three" pics and pics of meat, you guys are being every bit as militant as the hardcore vegan people. Fucking stop it. The only reason to do shit like that is because you are insecure about your own choices. If you want people to respect your choices, respect theirs as well.
Thanks for the cool people who did contribute something. Lots of good stuff here too.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4203069 - 05/21/05 11:11 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Fucking stop it.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4203071 - 05/21/05 11:12 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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By coming and posting your meat eating shit on this thread, about a person who decided to become a vegetarian and was asking for advise for new vegetarians, you carnivores are showing the same disrespect for my choices that militant vegan nazis show for yours.
You fucks who are posting those "eat three" pics and pics of meat, you guys are being every bit as militant as the hardcore vegan people. Fucking stop it. The only reason to do shit like that is because you are insecure about your own choices. If you want people to respect your choices, respect theirs as well.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4203094 - 05/21/05 11:21 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Fuck.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: newuser1492]
#4203101 - 05/21/05 11:23 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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My kids are free to go across the street and grab a Big Mac if they choose to. We started them off as vegetarians, but once they reached a certain age we told them if they chose to eat meat that was a choice they could make since it was there life. None of them have the desire to try meat at this point. There is a certain bias in our household since they know my wife and I's reason's for becoming vegetarians. At this point in there life they have the freedom to not accept those reasons and start eating meat. I would prefer that they stay vegetarian, but it is their life and I won't interfere with their choice. They are smart and mature on a cognitive level so I will support their decision even if I don't agree with it.
There are many other choices in life that they will have to make that has me worried more then if they eat meat. Bottom line is I want them to be happy and healthy and to find that road by their own free will.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: chinacat72]
#4203105 - 05/21/05 11:24 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Look a flame war, lock this.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Adom]
#4203107 - 05/21/05 11:25 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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If he is ignorant, do you think you should contribute something to the thread other than your flames?
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Organic]
#4203109 - 05/21/05 11:26 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Alright, that was pretty pathetic but this thread makes me angry. I can't stand this fucking debate, I'd rather sift throught the bullshit in S&P. I'm just going to stay out of it. Sorry for that crap.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: chinacat72]
#4203116 - 05/21/05 11:28 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is a warning for everyone. Lets all be mature and respectful of other's opinions even if we don't agree. I don't want to have to lock this thread, but I will. If you wish to debate another point of view please do it without flaming.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: chinacat72]
#4203143 - 05/21/05 11:32 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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There is a certain bias in our household since they know my wife and I's reason's for becoming vegetarians.
I guess diet choice is just one very small aspect of parenting over which I have a major concern. That is the area of free will. If a person if brought up in a certain environment with biases by their parents then it is likely they will be affected by such biases. A person's diet is much less important than other items such as religious and political ideals. Anyways this is way off topic so I'll end it there.
There are many other choices in life that they will have to make that has me worried more then if they eat meat.
Most definitely.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Adom]
#4203145 - 05/21/05 11:32 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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:edit-Did you not read my warning? If you don't have something constructive to say then don't post.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4203155 - 05/21/05 11:35 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dude, what ever. I wasn't realy engraged I just thought I'd add as many curses and be as derogitory as I could since you thought you needed respect when you weren't giving it.
Don't act so fucking stupid.
Oh and work on your humor, I've hung out with hippies for years and I've heard much better slams against hunting.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Adom]
#4203166 - 05/21/05 11:38 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Funny.
Google ads are kentucky fried chicken and free chicken recipies.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: tomk]
#4203168 - 05/21/05 11:38 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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AAAAAAaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaha
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Adamist]
#4203172 - 05/21/05 11:39 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Aw man Chinacat just edited one of the funniest posts I've ever read.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Adamist]
#4203182 - 05/21/05 11:43 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I got one for cats. You guys wanna know how to cook a damn good cat?
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Adamist]
#4203185 - 05/21/05 11:44 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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You found that funny? I bet your easy to get along with.
I hunt because I eat meat. I rarely eat meat that I didn't take myself. I do not eat meat every day and I do not hunt because I like killing things, I feel pain when I take another beings life and I give thanks, I always take a knee at the spot the animal last stood. I believe in the spirit-that-moves-through-all a plant isn't some how lesser than an animal to me, all is equal. I'm not some ignorant fucking hick that blows the shit out stuff for fun. I only hunt with a bow and it's a recurve with out a site. I use just about everything the animal has to offer also, I do not use the bones, they are placed back into the forest to return to the earth.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Adom]
#4203192 - 05/21/05 11:46 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I didn't agree with it because I know he wasn't being serious, but yeah, I thought that was pretty hilarious.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: newuser1492]
#4203197 - 05/21/05 11:47 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I guess diet choice is just one very small aspect of parenting over which I have a major concern. That is the area of free will. If a person if brought up in a certain environment with biases by their parents then it is likely they will be affected by such biases.
In reality my children didn't become vegitarians becuase they chose to. thats how they were raised. So you make a valid point about our bias effecting their free will. The way I look at though is once kids get a certian age(ie teenagers) they start to question alot of things. It is during this period when they start making choices of their own. Most parents put there kids on lockdown during this phase in hopes of keeping them from making bad choices. My approach is to give them as much freedom as possible so they can make choices that are trully their own.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Adom]
#4203204 - 05/21/05 11:48 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I only hunt with my hands. Its invigorating to see a cow struggling for air as you choke it.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4203207 - 05/21/05 11:48 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hahahaha, I'd like to see you take a cow with your hands.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Adom]
#4203209 - 05/21/05 11:49 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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you just have to beat on it a little, after about 20 blows to the face its a LOT easier.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Adom]
#4203210 - 05/21/05 11:49 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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you ever punched a cow in the face? its the greatest feeling EVER.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4203224 - 05/21/05 11:52 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I worked on farms alot when I was younger, farmers aren't nice to their cows, I didn't have respect for cows untill I was a little older. So my answer is yes, I've punched cows, the stubborn bastards never move the way you want them to and I got pissed. This one old farmer I used to work for when I was 13 used to beat them with a hammer, it didn't faze them one bit.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Adom]
#4203258 - 05/21/05 12:00 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Are you talking about using no tools at all or using what was available to Neanderthal man? Walk up to the idiot cow and slice its throat with a knife? Hell you could probably find a giant rock and walk up to the cow to hit it in the head.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Adom]
#4203266 - 05/21/05 12:01 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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christ, hitting a cow with a hammer? just hearing about that makes me feel bad.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Adom]
#4203313 - 05/21/05 12:14 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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this is an interesting thread....it always surprises me to see how people can get so emotional and heated over something as lame as someone elses choice for food. you wanna eat the poor defenseless plants? fine....or maybe you perfer the steroid/hormone enriched flesh of caged and mistreated animals? thats fine too. personally, i like to eat both. i may not be the healthiest person out there, and im sure i could stand to cut some of the burgers and frys out of my diet, and go for a nice chunk of tofu or something instead....but ya know what? i like the way meat tastes. so i eat it. i may live a shorter life than a vegitarian, but at least i am happy, and eat good tasting food. thats not to say that vegitarians arent happy, and that they dont like their food....but i would not if i were one.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: wrestler_az]
#4203317 - 05/21/05 12:16 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I won a free burger from a soda. Hell yeah.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4203340 - 05/21/05 12:21 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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hell ya, the other day i gots a free sourdough jack.....from a soda i gots for free. double bonus
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: wrestler_az]
#4203362 - 05/21/05 12:27 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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thats what i won! i wonder if they're only giving those out?
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: wrestler_az]
#4203519 - 05/21/05 01:01 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4203553 - 05/21/05 01:16 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yup, right over the head, he'd run through cussing like a fool swinging his hammer. He'd also guzzle beers and through them in his pig pin and laugh while they tried to eat them and cut the fuck out of their mouths while bloody slobber dripped to the ground.
I didn't work with him long, he was a very bad farmer.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Adom]
#4203626 - 05/21/05 01:42 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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ya, but its just food anyway
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Aeolus1369 said: I think it's also really interesting how many diseases could be avoided if everyone was veggy. Obviously mad cow and stuff like that, but so many pathogens evolved in animals and only jumped the species barrier because of our close association with captive animals: . flu > comes from poultry crammed together in asia HIV > from eating bush meat in Africa Streptococcus > certain virulent strains evolved from bovine mastitis .
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Madweed420shroom said: Links to proof please?
Just about any virology/bacteriology textbook will say as much. I did some searches for primary source information on pubmed and came up with a few links...
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The current widespread infections of commercial poultry flocks in many countries of Asia is not a total surprise. The region is known to form an influenza epicentre where birds, other animals and humans live closely together in conditions where viruses have the greatest opportunity to pass from one species to another.
http://www.animal-health-online.de/drms/faoinfluenza.pdf
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This study suggests a high degree of human exposure to SIV through hunting and handling monkeys for their meat, which is a common practice in Sub-Saharan Africa. Transmission of SIVs is most likely through contact with infected blood or other secretions and possibly bites from pet animals.
http://www.innovations-report.de/html/berichte/medizin_gesundheit/bericht-8727.html
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The reasons behind the rapid and sustained emergence of GBS neonatal disease have not been completely elucidated. A possible explanation has been acquisition by humans of bovine GBS, which is consistent with two previous reports showing that indistinguishable strains of GBS occur in both humans and bovines.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Aeolus1369]
#4206343 - 05/22/05 11:08 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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There are a few theories about the origin of HIV. One states certain primates were cut up and used to create a polio vaccine which was injected into patients. Someone could give me a big chunk of human flesh infested with HIV and I would have little problem eating it. HIV is rarely (if ever) transmitted through eating. You would have to have some sort of open sore in your mouth or throat for direct blood to blood contact.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: newuser1492]
#4206412 - 05/22/05 11:37 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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ya but doesn't ur food and nutrients get carried out into ur blood stream?
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Delyrium]
#4206417 - 05/22/05 11:38 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Delyrium said: ya but doesn't ur food and nutrients get carried out into ur blood stream?
Nutrients do. The bad stuff is deposited into our colon.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Silversoul]
#4206438 - 05/22/05 11:46 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah.. most of it anyway. A lot of bad stuff stays in the system. blood is partly responsible for carrying it out.. yet another reason to drink tons of water. Blood is made mostly of water, so is your brain.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Delyrium]
#4206471 - 05/22/05 11:57 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Delyrium said: ya but doesn't ur food and nutrients get carried out into ur blood stream?
HIV doesn't survive very well in the highly acidic environment of your stomach.
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cadam
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: newuser1492]
#4206497 - 05/22/05 12:05 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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no one knows where hiv came from, bushmeat is suggested, but............ if they knew the original source they could work on a cure!
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: cadam]
#4206501 - 05/22/05 12:07 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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how would knowing the orgin help with a cure? its a virus
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4206529 - 05/22/05 12:14 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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personally, I think there's already a cure, and has been one for 20 years. And I also think HIV is a virus that was created in a lab.
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Shroomism]
#4206535 - 05/22/05 12:16 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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it was invented by the gays
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4206550 - 05/22/05 12:18 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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look on google, if they knew the origin they could learn how it created it's self and WHAT IT NEEDED etc etc. HIV was not invented by gays, hiv simply spreads easier through anal fluids than it does normal sex!! Could be a cure, could of been created in a lab, no one knows!
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4206553 - 05/22/05 12:19 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah... the geh GOV't...
ROFLzzzzz! 
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: cadam]
#4206560 - 05/22/05 12:20 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mm... anal fluids...
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4206562 - 05/22/05 12:20 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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HELLA_TIGHT said: bad joke
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4206576 - 05/22/05 12:23 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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observe
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Shroomism]
#4206589 - 05/22/05 12:25 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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hahah
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: newuser1492]
#4206701 - 05/22/05 12:54 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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cb9fl said: There are a few theories about the origin of HIV. One states certain primates were cut up and used to create a polio vaccine which was injected into patients. Someone could give me a big chunk of human flesh infested with HIV and I would have little problem eating it. HIV is rarely (if ever) transmitted through eating. You would have to have some sort of open sore in your mouth or throat for direct blood to blood contact.
Yes, what you say is true, but in the paper there is specific mention that it is during the butchering process that SIV was likely transmitted.
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HIV doesn't survive very well in the highly acidic environment of your stomach.
True, but neither does protein and yet mad cow is still transmitted to humans
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I also think HIV is a virus that was created in a lab.
Dammit, what are people basing this on? There's really no doubt in my mind that if something like HIV could be created in a lab, it would be. The reality though is the technology isn't there, nor are we even smart enough. The molecular biology of the virus is nothing short of miraculous (e.g. overlapping DNA reading frames).
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if they knew the origin they could learn how it created it's self and WHAT IT NEEDED etc etc
I'm sorry but this isn't the case. We know where many viruses come from (avian flu for one) and don't have vaccines/cures for a lot of them.
Ok, sorry (seriously) for the off-topic rant but there's just so much misinformation going around about HIV and AIDS that ought to be set straight. And I'm not pulling this stuff out of my ass. Maybe we could start a new thread if further discussion is warranted.
Peace,
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Aeolus1369]
#4206735 - 05/22/05 01:04 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Do you have a better explanation for the why HIV virus just exploded out of nowhere, only in certain areas.. and mostly in the gay and minority population.. after massive hepatitis vaccine injections?
Anyway.. gotta love those veggies
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Aeolus1369]
#4206740 - 05/22/05 01:05 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: Aeolus1369]
#4206831 - 05/22/05 01:32 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Where is your documented proof from a reputable source that HIV is transmitted via food?
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: newuser1492]
#4206923 - 05/22/05 02:21 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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cb9fl said: Where is your documented proof from a reputable source that HIV is transmitted via food?
Sorry that's not what I meant. SIV originally jumped the species barrier because of exposure during the butchering process. After that it became transmitted through sexual contact, needle sharing etc. My point was just that if people weren't butchering monkeys for meat, there wouldn't have been so much exposure to the virus. This isn't to say of course that it might not have jumped through other exposures (from monkeys kept as pets or through, er, less savory means ) and I would never fault a hungry or starving person for eating an animal.
Heh, I'm not trying to blame the AIDS epidemic on meat eaters...I was just speculating in my original post about how certain modern diseases may not be a problem if we didn't eat animals. Meat is great...easiest, sometimes cheapest source of complete protein out there. My stance is just that if you do make a mindful choice to eat meat, that you do your best to make sure it was raised/slaughtered in humane conditions.
k, I'm out, peace y'all
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Re: Decided to go vegetarian [Re: newuser1492]
#4207030 - 05/22/05 03:09 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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this is really interesting - either keep it in this thread or make a new one because i enjoy reading it. 
i went shopping today - mmmmmmmm i love food shopping. i got vegetarian bacon... never tried it before. i don't know how it'll turn out, but we'll try.
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