TTT said:

I hope so too. I love old weapons.

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Kada said:

Atlatl's are awesome! Do you own those or is that a random pic? Looks like your kids from previous pictures.

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Kada said:

Build your own!

IT's obviously not a traditional one but you'll get the basic idea of it.

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Oh man that will be a fun project. Once I get a method down I'll totally try and make it without modern technology.

Druggie04 said:

I find a lot of debates/discussions are better online, but this isn't one of them.

When I have this discussion with friends their logic never prevails, and they have to concede it as a preference.

That's probably because just stating the fact that you are vegetarian opens you up for a multitude of hated mental judgments against the person.In other words, a black man could not convince a KKK member that he is an equal.

I could debate in person just as well...I understand a lot of facts im not just shitting it out my ass, .

There is a lot that is wrong with the way our society treats and consumes meat, but the act in .and of itself is in no way wrong, immoral, unhealthy, or otherwise bad.  Moderation in everything, including what you eat.  I eat mostly veggies, but the occasional meat is AWESOME, especially when I caught and harvested it myself in a humane way from a not over-harvested source. I agree, and this is pretty much my point.

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drawde said:

Go on the USDA website and they have statistics for corn and grain usage.

You cant seriously think all the beef produced in the U.S. is fed on grass.
Most is fed corn, which cattle are not meant to eat. This is why they have to pump them full of antibiotics because they are so sickly from eating corn.

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I'm a farmer, I live in an area with a lot of beef production, and I can
honestly say that I've never seen these factory farms that vegetarians
and vegans always talk about, I see large herds of cattle roaming
pastures, cattle are fed grain but it's not all they eat, it's less than
10% of their diet and these farmers arent pumping all their cows full of
antibiotics because they know that it's counter productive, a few shots
at a young age and a few more a few months before being sent to a feed
lot for finishing, feed lots are what you like to imagine as a factory farm

why would farmers be harvesting hundreds of tons of hay every summer if
they arent feeding it to the cattle, why have all that acerage if
they're supposed to be kept in metal buildings and fed corn? what you
describe is not a means for farmers to make any profit because it's just
not economically feasible... maybe you should actually get out to a farm
sometime and see what the real deal is

do these cows look unhealthy, they're  typical of cattle farms

drawde said:

From where abouts do you draw all these assumptions on people that they have never been to a farm or (fill in the blank)?

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I know that there is beef raised the way you described, and indeed its the way it should be done, but you seriously think that there is not a massive market share of feedlot, corn fed beef?

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marmarlun said:

eh, millions of animals are killed every year during the farming of crops.

If you eat anything that you do not produce yourself, be it meat or otherwise, ANIMALS DIED IN THE PROCESS.

So don't argue moral grounds if you are a vegetarian, because to get any type of grain/wheat on your plate, tons of gophers get slaughtered. So it's ok to kill them for grain, but not cows for meat?

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This is just unintelligent... Millions of animals are being farmed for their meat...

Tons of gophers get slaughtered?

feifen said:

TeamAmerica,

You honestly do not know what the fuck you are talking about...

And you honestly DO?

you keep making ridiculous claims without any real knowledge behind this subject No

It IS our meat consumption that directly reflects our evolution, you think we evolve from eating plants? Hell no.

No I think it is mystery for the most part, but I dont think we evolved because we ate meat....that is just as ridiculous as a claim.





So because we have BIOLOGICAL want/need for protein, we have an addiction?

We have a biological need for protein yes...but this does not have to come from meat obviously...I think it is debatable whether we have biological NEED for meat...ITS FUNNY because you guys get mad when I hammer the nail on your meat eating addictions, im not trying to tell you to quite, im just asking you to realize without going through denial like every other person on this thread.

TeamAmerica said:

im not trying to tell you to quite, im just asking you to realize without going through denial like every other person on this thread.

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Prisoner#1 said:

TeamAmerica said:

Well again you have paid no attention...The aryans are the ones that wrote the vedas...and the Vedas are what passed down and ultimately created the Hindu teachings...BTW Buddhism sprung out of and is ultimately related to the Hindu culture. Vegetarianism WAS practiced by the Aryans...I NEVER SAID THEY CONDEMNED MEAT EATING

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it's difficult to pay attention to so much misleading vagueness
how about "most people arent good with history" since the vedic were around 1700BC, not 7000 years ago and the hindu started developing their beliefs around 300BC, making it less than 2500 years. the hinu also dont forbid eating meat as many are infact omnivores... these are just a few of the very misleading statements you've made

You are even more misleading...You point at the fact that the aryans did not condemn meat eating like its a justification for you...which I never said they didn't I said they practiced vegetarianism.

...How much sense would it make for the Vedic teachings to be AFTER the hindu culture? The vedas were an orally passed down tradition, coming from the aryans which flourished more than 7000 years ago in 5000 b.c...Do you think the vedas just came out of no where? It was already part of their culture, so you again you have proved nothing...

BUT my mistake...It seems that the Rig vedas were started to be written around 1300 b.c when they invaded India which is understandable.

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80% of corn, 95% oats, altogether 56% of all agriculture inU.S.A. land used for beef production. 260 million acres of forest have been cleared for meat-based diet. “Divine Nature” by Michael A. Cremo & Mukunda Goswami Note: This book can be found in Library of Congress

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According to the Union of Concerned Scientists, only about 30 percent of the antibiotics used in the U.S. are administered to people to treat diseases. The other 70 percent, the vast majority, are administered to U.S. livestock, primarily to compensate for the unnatural and unhealthy conditions of factory farming. “Industrial livestock systems,” the organization concludes, “are hog heaven for resistant bacteria.”

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Traditionally, all beef was grassfed beef, but in the United States today what is commercially available is almost all feedlot beef. The reason? It’s faster, and so more profitable. Seventy-five years ago, steers were 4 or 5 years old at slaughter. Today, they are 14 or 16 months. You can’t take a beef calf from a birth weight of 80 pounds to 1,200 pounds in a little more than a year on grass. It takes enormous quantities of corn, protein supplements, antibiotics and other drugs, including growth hormones.

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incorrect, the incisors and bicuspids are in fact sharp, ideal for
ripping, shearing and tearing, the canines you're trying to compare them

LOL..now you are just in denial which is expected...in what way could we OR our neanderthal ancestors use FLAT teeth to rip flesh? The whole point is that their increased vegetarian diet IS WRITTEN IN THEIR TOOTH STRUCTURE, WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT?
like the Sumerians being
vegetarians, they revered the animals but they still ate meat or trying
to lead us to believe the hindu are all vegetarians

Actually this is interesting I was thinking about this last night...In the Hebrew bible in genesis when it talks about the vegetarian diet of humans in the Garden of Eden...Isnt it interesting that the Hebrews got this story from the Sumerians? So in fact...even though I never really claimed the Sumerians had practices of vegetarianism...I might be right on.

you compare apples to automobiles and expect to come to sound conclusions

Apples to automobiles? hardly

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our direct ancestors, Homo neanderthalensis were almost exclusively meat eaters again, chime in with some actual evidence of your claims

Almost exclusively meat eaters? I think this is debatable...But yes im sure they hunted.

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it's not debatable as it's been proven, that's what anthropologists do,

Its not debatable that the missing link is meat consumption?

Actually that is quite debatable...

again you simply deny the facts zzzz still waiting for those "facts"and dismiss them because they dont fit
the bill for your beliefs, just because you dont want to believe it
doesnt make it false Dont be a hypocrite!

show us the mighty brain power of the vegetarian and learn to properly
use the quote function so I dont have to go through and clean up this
crap to make it possible to follow LOL. you have cleaned NOTHING.

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