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youth and psychedelics
    #1284795 - 02/06/03 11:31 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

you think theres a problem with that? ive read many places that its "harmful for a developing mind" what do you all think?


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Re: youth and psychedelics [Re: sancho]
    #1284806 - 02/06/03 11:34 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

based on my experiences yeah, im almost glad I didnt encounter any until I was 18.

I think 16-18yrs + is fine though


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Re: youth and psychedelics [Re: sancho]
    #1284807 - 02/06/03 11:34 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

dunno man, I think that it's probably perfectly safe.. I doubt a study's been done on it before and people just assume that it's dangerous for a developping mind. MY brother ate about 6 pot cookies by accident when he was three, and he's fine.


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Re: youth and psychedelics [Re: sancho]
    #1284810 - 02/06/03 11:35 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

There is a lot of 'territory', so to speak, when it comes to psychedelics. In my personal opinion, I do really feel it's not good for a young, still developing, mind. It's just to much information.

That's merely opinion. I myslef, waited until I was 18.


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Re: youth and psychedelics [Re: Dogomush]
    #1284825 - 02/06/03 11:39 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

why does a study have to be done, to make something harmful?

"MY brother ate about 6 pot cookies by accident when he was three, and he's fine"

Yes, and theres people who can eat like 100 hits of acid at once...and be fine...and there is others who will definetly not be fine

And besides, how do you know he's fine.....you'll never know what he'd be like if he didn't eat those.

There is way to much information and such that comes with psychedelics. A young mind of 14, is already being flooded with information of all sorts. Sure people could be fine...but why risk it? Besides, you'll get much more out of psychedelics, when approaced at an older age. I myself can't wait to know what it will be like to experience tripping, when I'm say, 30


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Re: youth and psychedelics [Re: juicemonkey]
    #1284842 - 02/06/03 11:44 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I by all means dont think they are phsyically dangerous... I mean I dont think kids should do them just for the fact of the way they change thought patterns... instead of normal kid thoughts they might grow up being paranoid and stay that way ... im sotoned damnit i cant thinkof what I want to say but I know what i want to say... fuckin a hey that rhymed..

ok wha tI mean is instead of growing up to be a normal young adult , their changed thought perception might not be handled all that well, as kids have different ways of dealing with different thoughts then adults do.... they might grow up wishing they hadnt done drugs in their childhood


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Re: youth and psychedelics [Re: sancho]
    #1284848 - 02/06/03 11:46 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I think as long as the child has a good, postive guide through the experience it would be great. They should offer psychedelic spiritual counseling in grade school and I bet a lot of kids would turn out better- more "tuned in" you know.


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Re: youth and psychedelics [Re: aguynameddan]
    #1284870 - 02/06/03 11:54 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

why you replying to me?

I agree with you

I don't think young people should use psychedelics....it just brings to much, to fast. An undeveloped mind, might not handle it so well. Like you say, they could grow up, and really wish they hadn't of used drugs


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Re: youth and psychedelics [Re: peruvian spark]
    #1284873 - 02/06/03 11:56 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

"psychedelic spiritual counseling in grade school "

A kid in grade school has no idea about 'spiritual'...a kid in grade school couldn't spell psychedelic, nor understand what it means...

And you think they should be using? A kid in grade school isn't ready for the flood of information psychedelics bring, especially about spirituality or anything else.


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Re: youth and psychedelics [Re: juicemonkey]
    #1284914 - 02/06/03 12:08 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Why not? Maybe if children were taught about spirituality, or just better ethics and stuff earlier in life it could help them not get caught up "system" and have a better chance of a happier life. By the way, I wouldn't give a little kid any kind of psychedelic anyway. I think its easier for an adult to go back to childhood while tripping, rather than a child trying to be an adult, plenty of time for that when you grow up! ( Actually, little kids seem like they're tripping anyway! )


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Re: youth and psychedelics [Re: sancho]
    #1285025 - 02/06/03 12:33 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I started trippin when i was 14, 2 months before i turned 15. Personally, i have always thought of myself as more "mature" then some people my age. i also think that taking phsycedelics at that age calmed me down and made me think about things more. i remember always getting frusterated prior to taking my first phsycedelic. i also gained a best friend in my older brother because we would trip together every time, before we had no common ground to talk about(i was into sports,he was unto compooters). this probably means nothing, i was just feeling like posting. peace
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Re: youth and psychedelics [Re: sancho]
    #1285047 - 02/06/03 12:39 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I would advise to any youths taking psychedelics to keep the following in mind:

You must understand that you don't understand anything before you dip into psychedelics.

If you think you've "got it all figured out" then you're in for quite a homework-destroying experience :wink:


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Re: youth and psychedelics [Re: sancho]
    #1285206 - 02/06/03 01:20 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

i started taking lsd when i was 15. i did it a lot back then and through the years since. many years later i have no regrets. i'm not saying 15 year olds should have access to or use psychedelics. just saying it hasn't hurt me at all. in fact i consider it a great gift in my life. but no matter what the age, not everyone should take psychedelics.


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Re: youth and psychedelics [Re: peruvian spark]
    #1285278 - 02/06/03 01:42 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

The common misconception is that a child brain acts as an adults. You could teach a child about spirtuality, but would they understand it? A child could in no way comprehend what is being told to them. Besides, kids should be kids, they don't need to worry about mind expansion till later. There isn't a magic number that when people reach are automatically ready for a mind blowing experience. Some teens will be ready for a spirtual trip while others are way to immature.


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Re: youth and psychedelics [Re: Bilge]
    #1285339 - 02/06/03 02:09 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

yes, but that doesn't mean it is that way for every other 15 year old.

Just how some people swear, if you ate an entire sheet of a acid at once...it would fuck you up bad for a long time......whereas other people have...and they are fine

I agree totally with what the person above


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Re: youth and psychedelics [Re: juicemonkey]
    #1285993 - 02/06/03 05:32 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

i hit the hallucinogens when i was 16 and now i have this feeling that reality is all stupid and shit, im too smart for my own good...i wish i could be dumb again and jst pointlessly live my life, but im too aware to live now

i dont really care though haha


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Re: youth and psychedelics [Re: sancho]
    #1286097 - 02/06/03 06:01 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

"MY brother ate about 6 pot cookies by accident when he was three, and he's fine. "

There's people that have survived falls at terminal velocity, so that must mean it's absolutely fine.

Well, I did them when I was 14 or so, and as much as I think that was a mistake, it was a good thing, as well. Now, I'm 18, and I'm seriously considering no longer consuming weed/mushrooms/alcohol. The shroom world was fun for a good 4 or 5 years, and now I'm ready for the real world, undiluted. There is a certain beauty to the sobre, real world, and being in complete control.

Please, please don't give me that crap about how shrooms make the world "real". I think Morpheus mixed up the blue and red pills...


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Re: youth and psychedelics [Re: sancho]
    #1286157 - 02/06/03 06:17 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

It certainly isn't good, I'm glad I was 18 when I experienced psychedelics.

Nobody knows the complete consequences of significantly altering the neurotransmission in an adult mind, much less an under-developed youths mind. Even if it poses no harm I don't think it would be any good done at a young age, so its probably better to wait.

edit: Waite, that last paragraph didnt make much sence! Replaced it w/ this.


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Re: youth and psychedelics [Re: TeKHeAD009]
    #1288034 - 02/07/03 09:25 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I did LSD twice at 14 years old, and then after a long time of not being able to get anything I started doing mushrooms and acid more frequently around middle 15. I am very glad I did them then. They certainly tought me MANY very valuable lessons, ones which I am very glad to have learned at a young age rather than, say, 25 years old or more. I have a different outlook on life than many of the people in my school. I never found it to be an information overload, and I'm very glad I used psychedelics at a young age.


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Re: youth and psychedelics [Re: sancho]
    #1292575 - 02/09/03 07:01 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Im not going to offer my opinion on the issue, but rather my experience. I am 17, and am considered a tripper i suppose. People constantly seek information and advice from me because they know i know how to trip...im often asked to be a guide, or just to enlighten others so they can maximize their fungus's potential rather than going to a party and getting fucked up. I almost exclusively trip alone, generally in a controlled environment, and pay extreme detail to set and setting, blah blah blah. I believe that mushrooms have offered me an wealthy of knowledge that most people twice my age have not been fortunate enough to have found yet, It very well may have played a large influence in changing my life from "far better than average" to "even more so".... Mushrooms have given me the ability to see things without bia'ses*sp?* Ive cut connections which should have been cut long ago because of it, They helped recover from an extreme case of *love kicked my ass* which had me in bad condition for 5 or more months, Theyve got me focused on What im doing here and now, and what my future goals are...and what i can do about assuring they happen. The fungus helped me figure out my true priorities. By no means did they change who or what i am, rather they helped me solidify my developing belief and understanding within the world i live. I also experience Hppd, see a thread below about that, im unsure if this is a consequence of mushrooms or not, but it is of no bother to me. Having said that, i believe it is very important to point out that i was exposed to a very diverse and unconventional upbringing, and was mature beyond belief at a very young age where i understood things differently than the rest of the world. Im also a "alternative youth" i associate with very few, and the ones i do are generally...not normal..but within my crowd, who have had similar circumstances to myself throughout life, mushrooms are generally handled better and more responsibly than by the typical highschool crowd, and i believe that this crowd gets alot more, or perhaps does less damage to their "developing minds" than the rest. This is simply observation, i dont dare say that mushrooms are damaging to youth, but i believe in general young people do more damage than good with mushrooms through simply abuse/misuse/carelessness. Responsibility level is the determining factor. My appologies for going into such length.


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