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Acidfiend
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Are users of psychedelics getting younger?
#1603533 - 06/03/03 01:49 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I can't speak for most of the world, my country, or even the majority of my state, but it is beginning to become clear to me that over 70-80% of the psychedelic users in my area are all still in high school, and that age group is getting younger. I talk to people over 17 or 18 years of age, and I almost always get responses along the lines of "Acid is for kids, I'm too old for that stuff. From now on, it's just weed and alcohol for me..." etc. WTF?!?! Acid is for kids? Weed and alcohol are for us mature adults?!? What kind of twisted viewpoint is that? Kids shouldn't even be doing intense psychedelics in the first place, but when popular opinion among our youth is that it is ONLY meant for young teens and becomes pointless after graduating high school...I think there is something seriously wrong with our culture. It is almost impossible to find people over the age of 18 who are still interested in expanding their minds, and even my big [blank] connection tells me that the only place to find psychedelics these days is from high school kids, because they are the only ones who do them. This is the overwhelmingly popular consensus here, but I'm just checking with the rest of you so I can determine whether the entire world has gone completely insane or just my own paticular city.
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: Acidfiend]
#1603539 - 06/03/03 01:53 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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there getting too young. ive seen little kids at the mall being sold fake shit and then complaining about it out front, those kids were probably only 13 or 14 yrs old. Its amazing how they all follow the crowd now, just makes you think whats or Whos coming next....hummm.
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: pussycontrol]
#1603547 - 06/03/03 02:01 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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u got to be in the right "scene" go to some shows or festivals im sure you will find the right people
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: Acidfiend]
#1603575 - 06/03/03 02:23 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's not like that here. There's plenty of psychedelic users around my age, and a wee bit older. However, it seems like the general age of interest in acid/shrooms is around 17/18. It's just that most people that age either have bad experiences, or abuse it, and then discontinue their use.
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: Sheepish]
#1603651 - 06/03/03 03:37 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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While i am young myself (undisclosed age) It seems you are right. I do know older trippers...35+ but the kids are all over them. Hell at some schools kids are buying datura seeds because "its like acid mang". Kids just hop on the bandwagon with whatever's going through, and drug dealers know school is the easy place to make money with a relatively low risk.
I also agree that most (virtually all?) kids do misuse their psychedelics and do just get worn out....Ive used mushrooms in a social setting twice, and i know it sure ashell didnt do anything for me...if thats all i thought tripping was i surly would not seek illegal hard to get drugs.
Also, maybe its just my area, but acid is taboo, the misinformation is rampant and most kids (and seemingly...adults) seem to think of it was a very destructive substance...brain bleeding, flashbacks, spinal fluid, rat poison...etc. I generally dont even bother informing people anymore, people who arnt going to research or ask questions and will listen to any dumbfuck probably arnt deserving of a true psychedelic experince...certainly not most youths.
Bascally i think misinformation/propaganda is the reason....
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: PDU]
#1603765 - 06/03/03 05:59 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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How do you mean misuse? I think younger people do it because they want to escape from reality (their probably the ones with problems of sorts or just not happy), want to do it because it's cool and all friends have done it or just simply because they want to experience tripping. Kids are curious, wasn't everyone here when they were younger? And when you say users of are getting younger, dealers are also getting younger too; has a big impact on the users age. also PDU most kids and adults do think hard drugs and psychedelics are bad, and essentially they are bad but not unless used properly which a lot of the time isn't because of the addictivness of some of the drugs.
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: beam]
#1603786 - 06/03/03 06:21 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Over here, I can say most users of psychedelics I know are relatively old. Kids over here are all into their pills (ecstasy) and going to clubs and dont really take an interest in shrooms or LSD etc. The only kids I know who take them seem to appear in hordes at one of my hunting spots during shroom season. I think its a bit rude to say they are misusing them and dont know what they're doing as these are the people, who in a sense, are going to be replacing us in the years to come. Another thing, again referring to the UK, kids are doing a lot of experimenting at an early age, hence we have the highest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe. However, when I mention LSD in work a lot of my colleagues laugh and say they'd be embarrassed to ask for it, so alot of people do view shrooms and acid as teenage drugs and I dont think there is anything we can really do about it....
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: beam]
#1603835 - 06/03/03 07:19 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Misuse being eating HUGE doses and/or using it all weekend/every weekend. What seems to happen is the user eats massive doses frequently, then a few years later goes on about how bad the drug is (despite the fact that they brought it on themselves by using it too often) and quit.
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: Sheepish]
#1603988 - 06/03/03 09:13 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think most older people stop using psychedelics is because they get trapped into the machine and are unable to get out. What I mean about this is they simply get a wife, job and kids and basicaly either dont have the time to take psychedelics or their wife wont let them or they become too scared that the drugs will screw there head in for work.
I am sorta old at 26 but i ant ever gona give up psychedlics even for a woman and I am planning to tripp on my death bed too that will be cool.
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: PDU]
#1604222 - 06/03/03 10:37 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hell at some schools kids are buying datura seeds because "its like acid mang". Kids just hop on the bandwagon with whatever's going through, and drug dealers know school is the easy place to make money with a relatively low risk.
This says it all.
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: Twirling]
#1604553 - 06/03/03 12:33 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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when i was in high school i had friends who were always eating acid at school. i didn't do acid until i was 20, but all through high school i knew where to get it, all the time, because it was always at my school.
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: seethe303]
#1604949 - 06/03/03 02:16 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I doubt i will be given any credit since the outlook on the younger generation of shroomers seems quite narrowminded... however, i am 16 years of age and I have 3 very close freinds who also trip. We do not trip for fun. When people ask me about tripping i attempt to explain its depth. I guess for people our age we r somewhat more philosphical it seems... most of the other kids i know trip do it too much and as some other way to get high along with every other drug. I hate how people will do any drug handed to them in my age group, i research before i try anything and currently have only done shrooms weed alcohol. I dont ever take it as a party drug and usually prepare an environment to suit the trip. The first time i tripped i cried out of awe for the sights i saw, and for the conclusions i came to and realized about conciousness and existance. Since then I have tripped 4 times and each time i have learned more about myself, life, my freinds and the mechanics of the mind (and soul if u belive in it)... i guess my oppinion doesnt matter cause im just another stupid teen that conforms to the sheepish nature of the others.
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: ska8ball]
#1605150 - 06/03/03 03:00 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Don't put yourself down, you see it man.
I think that college is the time when people should be opened up. It's going to happen anyway. However there are some high school kids that are intelligent and use tripping for the right reasons. I was always one of those kids. Obviously, some kids in high school aren't really ready. But there are some special cases. Misuse isn't entirely confined to kids either.
I bet you this isn't anything recent. Kids were tripping on LSD in freshman year back in the 70's. And psychedelic use is by no means confined to kids, as said before.
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: ArmFromTheAbyss]
#1605188 - 06/03/03 03:09 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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But i can see how people change. When i was young (im 22 now) and naive i tried acid and mushrooms for recreation....fun....something to do, and was soon humbled in ways i couldn't begin to describe. I learned some things yes, but after that fear is instilled, most people turn away from the psycadelic journey. I have chosen to continue, and have sinse changed my attitude towards tripping, but to me it is the only way because i feel i've seen the edge of something beyond our pointless everyday life.
Still i believe it has always been the case for young people to experiment, then stop, or delay thier use for sometime, and only a few will develop it into an active way of life.
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: Azmodeus]
#1605592 - 06/03/03 05:08 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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im 15 and im th e only kid in my town that uses psychedelics for mind expansive purposes. more for me i guess (-:
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: Trip]
#1605860 - 06/03/03 06:18 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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When I was in high school, I was tripping junior year.
I tried it once 2 days in a row and wasted a bunch of money and after that haven't been using it more often then 7-14 days.
I guess I abuse it, but hell, masturbation is self-abuse and I'm all for that too. Guess I just have a problem
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: psilo9com]
#1606164 - 06/03/03 08:20 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, personally, I think psychedelic drugs(especially shrooms) are for people of all ages, as long as they have the mental capacity to contain themselves. Just because someone is an adult does not necessarily mean that psychedelics are right for them, and just because someone is young doesn't mean that they shouldn't do them. I think its different for each individual. I'm only 16 now, and I was only 16 in November when I did shrooms for the first time. I think I am old enough and mature enough to make informed decisions about what i put into my body. I have never had a bad trip. I do not do majorly high doses. WHen I am on shrooms I have some of the best times of my life. I do not necessarily do them just for a goodt time, but when i do them, i have an awesome time. I connect greatly with whomever I am tripping with, and I realize things about myself that I didnt know before. I'm not THAT experienced with other drugs, but shrooms are by far my favorite of what I have tried, and I'm sure they are better than anything out there, for me anyways. I'm glad to have discovered shrooms when I did, or I might not know what I would be missing.
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: kristina420]
#1606198 - 06/03/03 08:38 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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There's no 'getting younger' to it. Most people who use drugs are young. It's always been this way. All those kids at Woodstock are not tripping now, for the most part. In college, I was open about my use of drugs, now I keep it to myself. You can't walk around your job talking about shrooms. And it is a lot harder to trip when you are married with kids.
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: Huxley]
#1606333 - 06/03/03 09:29 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I remember i first tripped when i was 16. I know a lot of kids that are 15/16/17 that take shrooms and stuff. Personally I have no idea how they handle that shit. A shroom trip is intense as fuck, im supprised some of the ppl dont piss their pants and cry like babies.
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: Kanibus]
#1606407 - 06/03/03 10:01 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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i ate the most acid ive ever taken at once in my life when i was 15 almost 16. im 18 now and i rarely trip anymore, not because i dont have the desire but because its impossible to find any good acid, ive taken enough mushrooms and after my last experience (my friend wigged out on me, i talked him back down but it still scared me) i need to take a break from them. its been months since ive taken any "hard" drug, i took one pill of some shitty ecstasy and blew some ketamine in september, some really good shrooms around january/february and thats it. three years ago i was eating acid every weekend, and i wouldnt go to a party unless i could get fucked up (2-4 pills + a hallucinogen). i havent taken any lsd in almost two years now =( it really sucks because now i am so much more into psychedelics in a mystical spiritual sense and i would appreciate it so much more.
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: Kanibus]
#1606441 - 06/03/03 10:12 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ive found when i was them in social context the intensity is numbed WAY down, and ive also found most youth...at least that ive been around use them socially...so that may be why they dont piss themselves.
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: windowlicker42]
#1606449 - 06/03/03 10:14 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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AFOAF is 17 years old and has been using pychedelics since he was 16. He feels that pychedelics have changed his life, and made a profound impact on his state of mind and personality. He beleives that he is mature enough to be using them, and he does so 1/2 recreationally, 1/2 for other reasons.
Tripping is just great... age is only a number, why limit tripping to certain ages. I agree with kristina strongly, adults who think kids shouldn't be tripping are probably just a little bit shocked about how much different shit is today... it must seem weird now that I think about it.
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: the free thinker]
#1606668 - 06/03/03 11:43 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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It all depends on the person, not age, as long as your mind is strong enough (Although your mind probably won't be able to handle it until you're at least 15 or so, maybe 14, up until then you're essentially still a "child." Anyway, it all depends on the person, my friend and I are within 8 months of each other in age, and he was sitting in the ground in a little ball nearly crying while i was going: "Dude, are you ok? Whats up? This is cool, we're in the woods, there are trees, i can see mountains, this looks incredible." ANd he just continued to sit there, claiming to be "overwhelmed" by everything and tweaking out while i sat there talking about how great nature is, so really, it all depends on your mind, maturity, intelligence, enlightenment and willpower. It should also be noted this guy said he figured shrooms wouldn't be that great because they're only gonna be "Four hours of fun" then its over, then when we actually tried them, he freaked out, looks like the shrooms taught him not to think them as boring or weak. Im buying more for my second trip this week, and he says he'll trip on them one more time, and thats it, hopefully this was a little awakening for him.
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: Kanibus]
#1606752 - 06/04/03 12:21 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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i believe i have to add my opinion to this.... IMO its not the age factor thats ALWAYS been the underlying issue. its the fact that people dont realize what a certain drug is for.
one clears ur nasal passages and others can kill u.
but kids dont care and throw caution into the wind and i cant STAND it when i hear "u wanna get fucked up????" i mean im 19 but i think my mind has reached the point of certain enlightenment where i can see past the "coolness" of crowds and getting fucked up.
i think thats a big problem as well.... which is what leads these kids of 15/16/17 years old to say "hey i hear acid REALLY fucks u up" so they do it and have a fear of it. they dont expect it to force everything thats good and bad right in front of their face.
people and society in general need to create a balance between things. i mean u cant hide ur kid from things that are bad in this world but at the same time u cant shove it in their face and scare them.
the key to EVERYTHING in life is B A L A N C E !!!!!!
until we see this out, well everything will be like it is now, ...... reality. kids using drugs, people dying, etc......
im not sayin g its bad to do drugs at a young age either.... its the reason people chose to use thats messed up.
maybe one day people will realize how stupid they really are., and maybe not
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: icewall]
#1607913 - 06/04/03 12:42 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Anyone ever trip as a child? I mean you have a certain ignorance about alot of things and i suspect a mushroom trip might not be a horrible ordeal.....i've never heard of it before, but its interesting.......
anyone?
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: Azmodeus]
#1608659 - 06/04/03 04:49 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, that would be interesting (but not neccesarily good)
I always wondered what would happen if like a newborn baby or a toddler tripped. You've gotta wonder... especially if they did it before they learned to talk. Trippin in the crib... literally. LoL
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: the free thinker]
#1608676 - 06/04/03 04:56 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well....The developmental period when your a baby is the fastest development period of one's life. People in the know seem to warn against tripping, even as a youth, because you are still developing and it can be detrimental to the developmental processes in the brain. Is there evidence to support this.
Also, has their been any evidence to show that fetus's are detrimentally (or positively) effected by a mothers LSD use during pregnancy.
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: PDU]
#1608748 - 06/04/03 05:16 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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how do you mean positively effected?
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: Trip]
#1608834 - 06/04/03 05:44 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Who knows, Terrence Mckenna talked about how psilocybin mushrooms might have sped up evolution, perhaps prenatel (is that the right word?) exposure to lsd could speed up development, or produce prodigy children, or genetically preferable...whatever. Im asking if their are any, because it is always a possibility until proven otherwise.
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: PDU]
#1608866 - 06/04/03 05:57 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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i dont know but its probably not a good idea at all to take acid while pregnant, but ill do a search on it.
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: Trip]
#1608896 - 06/04/03 06:08 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Surly there are plenty of acid babies around from the summer(s) of love, and even still a few being born every once in awhile. Im sure their are studies done on it, although...probably not good ones. Physiologically i dont see how LSD would hurt a developing fetus, but im not a scientist, and should probably be slapped.
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: PDU]
#1608945 - 06/04/03 06:23 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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this is the best i could do: apperently there was a scare in the 60's about baby deformation due to LSD use.
"In response to the fear of deformed babies, many young people temporarily stopped taking the drug. Others continued on the theory presented in the mass media that the 'damage had already been done-that a single dose of LSD is all that is needed to damage chromosomes.
Some pregnant young women secured abortions, legal or illegal; some couples refrained from having babies they wanted; and some LSD users switched from LSD to mescaline, psilocybin, or other LSD-like drugs. (Since drugs sold under these names were often in fact LSD, little was accomplished by the switch.)
The facts soon overtook the warnings. All over the country, obviously healthy babies were born to LSD users. A thorough California study of 120 LSD babies (to be reviewed in detail in Chapter 52) showed birth defects no more common than in babies of non-LSD users. Thus the credibility of official and medical pronouncements was once again severely shaken-and LSD use increased again."
i couldnt find anything else. i hope this helps kinda. ill keep an eye open. kinda interested aswell
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: Trip]
#1609012 - 06/04/03 06:45 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well...the myth about chromosone damage is just that..a myth. Anyone have any insight into this? I wonder who those studies were done by...
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: PDU]
#1610792 - 06/05/03 07:09 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Grof wrote a chapter about this in LSD Psychotherapy. You can view it online here: http://www.psychedelic-library.org/grofchro.htm
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: Azmodeus]
#1612408 - 06/05/03 05:30 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't think psychedelics are "needed" for small children - they're already tripping out
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: windowlicker42]
#1612475 - 06/05/03 05:55 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Silly rabbit, trips are for kids!
I think the internet has something to do with it. Before the internet, the people in my town were smoking weed and drinking alcohol. That was about it. Then somebody found out about datura and everyone started doing that, without knowing anything about it other than "it makes you trip." Then there was a DXM epidemic. Someone found out that it gets you high and word spread fast. Pretty soon, there were people getting busted at school and tons of hospital visits for Coricidin and datura overdose. Many years later, when the internet was gaining popularity, people started to look at drug websites. Now the city is filled with people doing salvia, red rock opium (dragon's blood incense), nutmeg, ether, nitrous oxide, 5-MeO-DMT, any drug they can get their hands on. The datura use has died down quite a bit, but there are still a lot of DXM trippers. They find out on the internet. The good part is, hopefully they will read the positive and negative and find out as much as they can about the drugs before they use them, so they can maybe use them more responsibly. Kids are on the internet more than adults, they were raised using computers a lot more than the adults did when they were kids.
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: thepodman]
#1612669 - 06/05/03 07:01 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Good thinkin podman, that is a very good theory, probably the best explanation ive seen in this thread. However, i think where you say: "
The good part is, hopefully they will read the positive and negative and find out as much as they can about the drugs before they use them."
I think that is just *hopeful* because i sure know of alot that dont read the precautions...they just go by what their friends tell them,...the friends that say lsd makes your brain bleed, and that datura is like acid.
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: Kanibus]
#1618428 - 06/08/03 01:45 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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hmm the first time i did Cid and Shrooms was when i was 14. I did E when I was 15 to I smoked pot when i was 13 I dont see the problem in doing psycadelics when your young or old. I dont think ill ever stop doing shrooms and Cid.
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: ]
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I know many of you will disagree and probably get pissed off at me and probably give me a 1 rating or something,but here goes: Enlightenment cannot be obtained from mushrooms or any other substance,you need to get away from this belief. Some things like weed and shrooms may be an aid in meditation but they definately should not be touted as some mind expanding enlightening gift of glory as they are. I like them,and I feel good as hell when I eat them,but it's not enlightenment,it's just an intoxication.
While that has very little to do with the issue at hand, your experience cant be said to be the same as everyone else's. YOU DONT KNOW what i, or anyone else in the world feels and learns on a mushroom trip. For you to say that mushrooms are just an aid to meditation, i can say meditation is just an aid to reach the MUSHROOM enlightenment. My statement is just as valid as yours, aint it? To even make such a statement enlightenment would first have to be defined. But, in short, your wrong and cant make such a blatant statement upon your experiences alone.
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: ]
#1621635 - 06/09/03 05:55 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well you offered a statement, not an opinion.
Like i said though, enlightenment would have to be defined to argue this arguement. It is the buddhism/hinduism belief that Enlightenment = A blessed state in which the individual transcends desire and suffering and attains Nirvana.
I would certainly say that can be attained through egoloss as a consequence of mushrooms.
A more common interpretation of the word would be: education that results in understanding and the spread of knowledge.
This is certainly what is reached, at least by me, through tripping, that sole reason fuels my drive to eat large doses of mushrooms a few times a year.
In your post before You say that True enlightenment can only be attained through belief, but then you say it cant even be reached through humans. If it cant be reached through humans, and we certainly dont know it happens through any other living creature, then it doesnt exist, isnt that correct? What is your definition of enlightenment paradis?
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: PDU]
#1621678 - 06/09/03 06:15 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Very good question PDU! I can't give my opinion without knowing what the definition of enlightenment is.....
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: Annom]
#1624012 - 06/10/03 03:14 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Its almost like the spiritual use of entheogens helps define what enlightenment means....Is there any religion that reaches elightenment, and doesn't use entheogens in any way?
Its like they help describe what you are looking for, or teach fundamental truths one might have been blind to before...
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: Azmodeus]
#1624300 - 06/10/03 05:45 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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" or teach fundamental truths one might have been blind to before... "
Yes, those truths are the "understanding" of how things work, of "how things are." Its those truths which help us find our personal paths and help us become more productive, thoughtful, good, human beings *in general*.
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Edited by paradis (06/10/03 06:36 PM)
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: ]
#1624344 - 06/10/03 06:14 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Alright, sorry for the misunderstanding paradis. Im going to start a thread on what people interpert enlightenment as, interesting perspective.
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: ]
#1626698 - 06/11/03 03:30 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hi everyone, I'm new on here.
I don't any people who indulge in mushrooms or acid regularly. I know of people who have taken them without really understanding what they were about to take and most of those regretted it.
Where I am (over in the UK) most people use cannabis, cocaine, and E most. It's easy to get those things but psychedelics are trickier to get hold of. I will be soon trying them however, I've got some going at the moment.
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: PDU]
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Alright, sorry for the misunderstanding paradis. Im going to start a thread on what people interpert enlightenment as, interesting perspective.
Link?, name of thread?
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Re: Are users of psychedelics getting younger? [Re: Kanibus]
#2386163 - 02/28/04 06:57 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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im 18 and lovin it. heres to a looong career in psychedelics!
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