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Is there hope for the psychedelic /drug culture?
    #2487903 - 03/31/04 07:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I know this has been discussed before. I was reading some of the news on the Shroomery News board, and I found myself suddenly wondering if there was any hope for the psychedelic culture in future western society.

We choose to take these psychoactive drugs for many reasons. Because we enjoy a reprieve from life and its fun. We may desire to explore other realms; places beyond the material plane. Some of us indulge to further our knowledge of the human consciousness, to expand our awareness of the human experience.

I consider it my right to do this if I choose. It is my right to take the risk...it is my right to take the journey.

The fact that other people, mere humans no different then you or I, seek to seize my fundamental right to do this strikes me as absurd, a testiment to the mad world we live in.

Will there ever be a time in western society when psychedelic drug use (or any drug use for that matter) will not be demonized? When the truth about these substances will not be twisted and perverted and then swallowed eagerly and innocently by average citizens?

The movements of other subcultures in history have made massive headway in aquiring some semblance of social change. But would the drug culture be able to do this? Or will we continue to be forced by circumstance to hide, sneak about and lie of our consumption of these substances? To be made to feel like criminals simply because we are satisfying our right to indulge?

When I think about this, the world never seemed to small.

What do you all think?


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Re: Is there hope for the psychedelic /drug culture? [Re: MOTH]
    #2487933 - 03/31/04 08:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

maybe something will change, not in our life time i don't think.

maybe some acceptance in the medical field for psychedelics like mdma, ibogaine (sp?) and maybe just maybe psilocybin. they are planning research on all of these things and have be approved, the mdma one just cleared it's last obstical got approval from a IRB for human testing. the psilocybin studies are for terminal cancer patients to make them more comfortable with death, but people want a cure not something that will just make dying easier. ibogaine is proving useful for addiction.

the point of all that is the only way these drugs will gain any sort of acceptance is through legatimate use, as of now they serve no purpose other than to get high/whatever in the gov. eyes, prove it's useful to the public and it will tear down the walls of how bad psychs. are. sorry rambling on tonight :tongue:

here's some good links if you like to read about this stuff

www.maps.org
www.lindesmith.org/homepage.cfm
www.drugwarfacts.org/

lots more gotta go though


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Re: Is there hope for the psychedelic /drug culture? [Re: MOTH]
    #2487966 - 03/31/04 08:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

yeah there is hope, it seems to me that in the last few years more and more people have gotten more aware of psychadlics, all of a sudden you can buy fresh shroom here all legal and stuff and i dont see one negative thing about it in the media or hear anything about it other than positive things.

so yeah


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Re: Is there hope for the psychedelic /drug culture? [Re: MOTH]
    #2488009 - 03/31/04 08:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think Psychedelic Culture needs to be Seperated by a great divide from Rave/drug/party culture before headway will be made.


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Re: Is there hope for the psychedelic /drug culture? [Re: shriek]
    #2506003 - 04/01/04 05:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I don't know how things will evolve. Just that everyone should try to stand up for his opinions and be honest about use and motivations if one gets the chance to (without any legal or social risks, that is). Evolution depends on every single persons public attitude towards responsible drug use. I've started to make it my main subject of conversation for a while, talked about it to some people in my family, all of my friends, I'm even starting to (carefully) advocate it in public... but then, I don't live in the States... But if you can... spread the word!
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shriek said:all of a sudden you can buy fresh shroom here all legal and stuff and i dont see one negative thing about it in the media or hear anything about it other than positive things.


hey shriek, just curious: where is "here", in what country do you live?


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Re: Is there hope for the psychedelic /drug culture? [Re: MOTH]
    #2506037 - 04/01/04 05:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It may change, but the hope for psychdelic drug culture will exist even if it remains underground -- many great things in history (and outside of history) have been accomplished underground. I disagree that it needs to be seperated from rave culture, since most of rave culture (IME) is about enjoying life, and runs parallel to psychedelic thinking.


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Re: Is there hope for the psychedelic /drug culture? [Re: valour]
    #2506107 - 04/01/04 05:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Rave culture is where the negative publicity lies.


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Re: Is there hope for the psychedelic /drug culture? [Re: PDU]
    #2506134 - 04/01/04 05:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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PDU said:
Rave culture is where the negative publicity lies.




Right, I think the general public sees ravers as people who can't accept responsibility, who just live from day to day and are hedonists. If there was to be a psychedlic culture accepted, it would definitely not be based on those traits.


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Re: Is there hope for the psychedelic /drug culture? [Re: MOTH]
    #2507766 - 04/01/04 07:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I believe someday way down the road psychedelics will not be frowned upon. But to bad we probably wont see the day.


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Re: Is there hope for the psychedelic /drug culture? [Re: MOTH]
    #2507790 - 04/01/04 08:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

We have to accept it..it is a part of us.


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Re: Is there hope for the psychedelic /drug culture? [Re: Letto]
    #2517885 - 04/02/04 04:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The general public sees psychedelic users as hippies who are escaping from reality at best, are "officially insane after taking acid 3 times" at worst, and the most heinous of criminals all the same -- we're in the same category as murderers and rapists, and our tickets to ascension are a manslaughter charge apiece, and we're all itching to feed it to their sweet, innocent little children.


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Re: Is there hope for the psychedelic /drug culture? [Re: valour]
    #2517929 - 04/02/04 05:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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valour said:
The general public sees psychedelic users as hippies who are escaping from reality at best, are "officially insane after taking acid 3 times" at worst, and the most heinous of criminals all the same -- we're in the same category as murderers and rapists, and our tickets to ascension are a manslaughter charge apiece, and we're all itching to feed it to their sweet, innocent little children.




That's what I've experienced too.  :frown:  It sadden's me.  How can healing begin and psychedelic culture transcend that stereotype when most people's minds are fogged by the propaganda?  The only way I can think is just for psychedelic users to set a positive example in how they live their lives.


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Re: Is there hope for the psychedelic /drug culture? [Re: MOTH]
    #2519728 - 04/02/04 07:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

One problem is that these drug, even when completely legal never had any wide spread popularity in our culture. This is why it has ben so easy to brain wash people about them and why they remain illegal to this day. Alcohol prohibtion was short lived because alcohol was popular with masses. Tabaco is also widly popular with the main stream culture and this is one reason it has not yet been made illegal despit huge efforts by anti tabbaco statist.

Another reason why psychedellics remain illegal is cause of the people that use them. You hippies aren't going to like hearing this but its the truth. Because these drugs are popular amoung dead beat advocates of socialist dictatorship and depravity of every kind it is very easy for the general population to not care about legalizing these drugs. Also it is very easy to believe the false propaganda said about these drug when you observe the people that these drugs are most popular with.

If these drugs were to slowy become more popular with well adjusted people then it is possible that at some point, though it would probably be one hell of a fight still, the prohibition would be lifted.


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Re: Is there hope for the psychedelic /drug culture? [Re: MOTH]
    #2519846 - 04/02/04 08:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well im new to it, so I guess that means there is hope if word has reached me. Lets hope so at least.


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Re: Is there hope for the psychedelic /drug culture? [Re: lightset]
    #2519871 - 04/02/04 08:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I remain optimistic in a weird way.

If it comes around, I don't think it'll be a matter of convincing every CEO, soccer mom, native american shaman and cookie salesman out there that each and every analog is A-OK.
It'll just be the conceptually simple idea of "what I do with my own body is my own business."


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Re: Is there hope for the psychedelic /drug culture? [Re: valour]
    #2520051 - 04/02/04 10:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I remain optimistic in a weird way.

If it comes around, I don't think it'll be a matter of convincing every CEO, soccer mom, native american shaman and cookie salesman out there that each and every analog is A-OK.
It'll just be the conceptually simple idea of "what I do with my own body is my own business."




I doubt the Native American shamans need to be convinced.  :wink:

It's all a matter of freedom. The youth nowadays seem to be much more accepting of drugs than the older generation, same with the hippies, so I hope there will be a time when all the older generation dies off and leaves the hippies in modern day youth to rule the country. Of course not everyone from the 60s was a hippy, nor did they even do drugs, but as a whole that generation was more liberated. And marijuana seems as prevalent as ever. We just need to take things in steps, IE, legalize medicinal marijuana and hemp, legalize studying drugs medicinally (already happening with MAPS using MDMA,) legalizing marijuana, and then we just go from there to legalize shrooms, peyote, eventually LSD, etc.


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Re: Is there hope for the psychedelic /drug culture? [Re: Ravus]
    #2520073 - 04/02/04 10:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I agree about maybe things will be better when the older generation dies off. Except with all this anti-drug propaganda on tv 10 times a day maybe todays youth will be brainwashed by then. So who knows.


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Re: Is there hope for the psychedelic /drug culture? [Re: lightset]
    #2520243 - 04/02/04 11:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, but every person helps. Tell people the truth when you hear false drug propaganda, tell as many people as you can who are talking about it or listening to it or debating it. Then, even if only a few of those people listen, and those people tell other people, and the cycle continues, we may just have hope.

And I wonder how many youths actually believe the drug propaganda anyways. It seems many of them believe it when they're younger (5th, 6th, 7th grade,) then as they get older they might try pot as freshman or sophomores and realize that the propaganda is bullshit and from there discredit much of the rest of it.


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Re: Is there hope for the psychedelic /drug culture? [Re: Ravus]
    #2520261 - 04/03/04 12:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

just think how much easier it would be for young children to get drugs and screw their lives up by not focusing on life's real responsibilites, not to mention all the "would be" good people on the streets strung out on crack or herion when they should've made better decisions and had a better life....


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Re: Is there hope for the psychedelic /drug culture? [Re: bioTek]
    #2520418 - 04/03/04 01:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

1) Does this happen with alcohol?
2) they key is "they should have made better decisions." The people who would have made those decisions probably would have found another way besides drugs.


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