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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelic [Re: baraka]
#3155085 - 09/20/04 09:29 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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try some diphenhydramine it is otc !!!! It really weird seeing people on it talking to freinds answeing the dorr ect... make sure u got a sitter some cough sypurps here in the uk contain both diphenhydramine and dxm crazy combo take care !!!!!!!!!
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelic [Re: PhanTomCat]
#3155090 - 09/20/04 09:31 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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let go of your grip of reality.
once you learn to do that, you can peak so hard off of 3 grams of mushrooms that you cant see the world around you.
once you blast off once, its real easy to get back there from then on.
i suggest this trip... mushrooms, or a high dose of quality acid, take them in a dark room and put on the orb live '93. wait about 2 hours or so in the dark, when you feel like your tripping sack, then turn on the lights. that'll really get ya movin. HAHA. thats how i broke through my first time. 5 hits of the best acid i had ever seen. turned on the lights and looking down at myself i had 8 arms, and my hands had eyes on them, the room was a cascading waterfall of spirals of every imaginable color. each board on my floor flashed between different colors.
thats a trip. let go, let it happen, let it own your reality.
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelic [Re: angryjslice]
#3155151 - 09/20/04 10:01 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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i had "hallucinations" with the eyes opened too, so it must depend on people maybe... For example, i could see inside my body, people's faces turning in monkey's faces, a girl crying (she was not in "reality) rainbow tears, my lighter illuminating a big concert hall, apparitions, etc...
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelic [Re: Adden]
#3156389 - 09/20/04 02:57 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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s2dope said: The only thing I can say, is that I've dosed with one friend of mine numerous, numerous times. He never trips. We split a ten strip and I was having the time of my life, he felt nothing. Nothing. Not even after pot.
I've seen him eat a quarter of shrooms while I ate an eighth (which blew my socks off) and not even get the trip-voice, anything.
He thought salvia was fake. He smoked it stoned, smoked it tripping, smoked it sober.. nada. I dosed another friend of mine who was very sensitive to it, and friend A thought it was just us tricking him.
That's the only person I know of that can't/doesn't trip. I don't know if its psychological or physiological in either of your cases, but I guess it does happen to some people.
that makes me sad.
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelics.? [Re: ChiefThunderbong]
#3156721 - 09/20/04 04:17 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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ChiefThunderbong said: I promise you won't fall asleep.
my friend fell asleep for a good hour and a half.
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelic [Re: angryjslice]
#3156733 - 09/20/04 04:20 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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angryjslice said: let go of your grip of reality.
once you learn to do that, you can peak so hard off of 3 grams of mushrooms that you cant see the world around you.
once you blast off once, its real easy to get back there from then on.
i suggest this trip... mushrooms, or a high dose of quality acid, take them in a dark room and put on the orb live '93. wait about 2 hours or so in the dark, when you feel like your tripping sack, then turn on the lights. that'll really get ya movin. HAHA. thats how i broke through my first time. 5 hits of the best acid i had ever seen. turned on the lights and looking down at myself i had 8 arms, and my hands had eyes on them, the room was a cascading waterfall of spirals of every imaginable color. each board on my floor flashed between different colors.
thats a trip. let go, let it happen, let it own your reality.
~JSlice~
You must make a very good setting decision... letting grip of reality could result in some crazy shit happening if you arent in a good setting.
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelics.? [Re: PhanTomCat]
#3156836 - 09/20/04 04:46 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I know what you're talking about. I also used to think people tend to exaggerate their trip reports, and I still think some do, but not all of them. In fact, I think tripping experiences vary extremely widely. People just aren't always talking about the same thing. Some read a wild trip report and think the experience upon which it was based must have been pretty much the same than what they experienced themselves, which may not be true. I, for instance, never had CEV's, only "mental images", like when you close your eyes and imagine something. You "see" it, but not very clearly, and you can control it completely once it's there. I have had very vivid OEV's, like those described in this thread (walls breathing, moving Aztec-like patterns on objects, faces, etc.). I've had several high dose ayahuasca trips, and even there, I had only one very short-lived vision, and a poor one at that. While ayahuasca, which contains DMT, is considered one of the most visionary drugs.
But it may depend on many things. Agreed, everyone is different, but one also can evolve. During my latest trip (18 grams of truffles), which was in a public park, I closed my eyes a few times and found myself involved in some kind of ceremony which I didn't understand at all. I couldn't help but open my eyes every time, and I couldn't remember much of it once they were open again. I'll try to explore this further on the next time I trip, alone and in the dark. But it definitely resembled some trip reports I've read of wild adventures in people's heads, and it was the first time that happened to me. I guess it's right you have to let psychedelics completely rule your reality. At times, you may think you're there, only to discover you were on the threshold of something so much bigger. This can take years sometimes I guess.
About hallucinations: the modification in perception you're talking about is called a pseudo-hallucination. And, in fact, anything that you know isn't real is a pseudo-hallucination too, as real as it may seem. A true hallucination is something you honestly think is real, but you find out later on it wasn't, or people tell you it isn't. A true hallucination is something you mistake for reality; so it's impossible to realize on the spot that you're having one.
About dreams: you might be closer than you think. DMT is produced in the pineal gland in the brain, and is suspected to be involved in the production of dreams. Read Strassman's book about it.
Also try to read 'The Antipodes of the Mind' by Benny Shanon. It's about the effects of ayahuasca, and he makes a complete classification of what can happen during ayahuasca trips. Of course, most of it applies more or less to other substances as well.
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelics.? [Re: Aldous]
#3159036 - 09/21/04 05:49 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Aldous: Very perplexing response, and thank you for your insight...! I did know that DMT was already in a person's body, but I had never heard for what purpose it served us.... I do THINK I remember reading that skitzo's have a higher amount of DMT naturally in their bodies.... I might be mixing that up with another higher naturally occurring chemical in them, but right now my mind is saying that it was DMT.... Which would/could explain the nature of that beast.... I am not a big reader, but I just read "The Psychedelics Encyclopedia" cover to cover in one weekend...! I couldn't put it down...! I just got "Pharmacotheon", and it looks like a little of a harder read with all of the dates, names, and references peppering every page (and it is a MUCH thicker book).... I also have PIHKAL & TIHKAL coming in the mail soon.... I will definitely look those books up that you mentioned, I wrote them down.... (and thank you) 
Aldous, I would also like to know how/where you have come up with the cut and dry definitions of "pseudo-hallucination" and a "true hallucination".... Are you a Doctor...? The dictionary says; "Hallucination - to see something that does not exist".... You have interpreted the definition a little to give the impression that one has to "BELIEVE" that what they are seeing is real.... That adds a whole new dimension to the actual definition..... It almost sounds more like a medical interpretation of how a doctor would describe a skitzo that is actually seeing and interacting with their "TRUE Hallucinations" (as judged by an outsider's eyes).... If this was true, then people who take psychedelics never actually have "True Hallucinations".... Everybody who has taken a trip and saw "something that was not there" knew that they were on a drug to induce such a state, and would KNOW what they were seeing was not real - being aware that a drug was ingested.... UNLESS, a true psychedelic were to put you in a place of mind that would be TRULY like the mental thinking of a skitzo - unaware that a substance was ingested for the purpose of tripping.... And if you read into this a little further, you would have to conclude that a scitzofraniac(sp) would be the closest to having the mental capacity for the "ULTIMATE EVOLUTION" of the mental state - as described by Shulgin's +4 rating scale.... The only problem with that is that skitzos do not have the other symptoms occuring in a substance induced psychedelic state, in fact they feel the opposite of: "a state of bliss, a participation mystique, a connectedness with both the interior and exterior universes" (as quoted by Shulgin again).... I am pretty sure that a skitzo is not living in a state of bliss.... Or are they....? Which is starting to make it all confusing.... UNLESS, believing or not believing has nothing to do with the definition of a "True Hallucination"....
This all could open another door of thought....! (CRIPES...!) With everybody on this beautiful green earth, we ALL have very different chemistry.... Maybe there are indeed two types of hallucinations based on this very fact.... Maybe the people out there that have had the "Real or True Hallucinations" - as reported on the trip reports - have a mental chemistry that allows them to get CLOSER to the mental chemistry of a skitzo - whilest they are under the influence of a psychedelic substance.... There will never ever be a way to CLEARLY KNOW for a FACT what the differences are - until a person could tap into another's brain and experience EXACTLY what the other person is experiencing.... It would never be possible.... Too many freakin wires.....!!!! LoL (which brings to mind the movie "The Cell"...) Maybe skitzo's are constantly stuck in two different universes at the same time, much like how I would describe my Salvia Divinorum experiences....? Which would bring to mind an interesting experiment.... It would all depend on if there are any substances out there that would counter-act an induced psychedelic state...? Kanna is supposed to "abort a mushroom trip" as I remember being written about it.... I dunno~ if it actually works or not....? If it did, it would be interesting to administer some to a skitzo to see if it brought them closer to this universe....? Skitzos are the only ones that cannot discern from what is real and what is not.... But we are also on the outside looking in thru our own eyes in JUDGEMENT of what we THINK they are able to see and experience.... If a "normal" person or Doctor cannot see it, you must be crazy - END OF SUBJECT, now here is your thorazine shot... I dunno~, I am not a doctor by any means, I just don't think in the confines of a "box".... Aaaaaand, I think I need a girlfriend...!!! LoL
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Someone up earlier in this thread said to smoke DMT if I wanted to "see stuff".... I tried it once, did not break thru, and had a hard time breathing for 2 days.... Not interested in trying it again in that fashion.... But the actives in shroomz are tryptamines as well (even though they have the misguiding names of psilocy's), and it seems like the effects would be "close" to the same....? (I am sure I will get spanked for that statement..!!) What I picture from the trip reports of breaking thru on DMT is what I would perceive as to being very close to a scene in a movie called "The Lawnmower Man".... When Jobe was in the chair of the virtual reallity "learning machine", and he was injected with those psychoneutropic drugs.... All of those shifting geometric patterns flying at his head with a FLASH as they hit him, faster and faster.... It was overwhelming for him too...! LoL 
Come to think of it, "The Lawnmower Man" is really about reaching the "Ultimate Evolution", they just weren't psychedelic drugs that were used.... It even slapped the face of religion for it's cruelty to human kind..... I wonder if Alexander Shulgin has ever seen that movie....!? It would be interesting to hear what he thought about it..... 
I have read a little on the very spiritually religious and ritualistic ways that certain cultures embark into their sacred trips - something that I am pretty sure that not too many people practice in the western world - just simply out of ignorance.... I am not a very "meditative" type of person, and I am starting to wonder if that is one of the "keys" to having a true hallucination....? I am always on the go, and I have to be doing something.... If I sit still in one spot to meditate, and closing my eyes is involved, I will fall asleep....!!! I kinda~ live by: "I will have plenty of time to sleep when I am dead" motto, and sometimes only get 2-3 hours of sleep a night on a regular basis.... I usually take a 1-2 hour nap when I get home from work, but truly, I don't sleep a lot.... Coffee is my friend...! ::::throwing a shout out to Jaun Valdez:::: LoL I also really only started my discovery of shroom magic in the last 1-1/2 to 2 years, and I am thirty something..... I did have about a 2 month binge when I did them once a weekend last year, but I space them out to about once every 1-2 months now.... They are MUCH better to me when you space them out.... I see it as getting the reward of an awsome trip because I have waited so long to have it (and also prefer the full moon for some reason).... Kinda~ makes it more special.... ***To each is own, I am not judging others by my own personal choices...!!***
I think the only hallucinations I have had is what I refer to as "Modification-Hallucinations".... Faces morphing or bulging out, breathing floor or walls, staring at something and everything looks like you are looking thru a wall of water with soft shifting waves - VERY BEAUTIFUL and just plain neato~...! I have never seen ANY kind of patterns except the ONE time with LSA + shroomz that I explained earlier with the "Matrix Effect".... I missed out on the RC's that went around, but it makes me wonder if the hallucinations are different on them, and if they are more "real", or just another form of modified hallucinations (as I see them).... My strongest "intelligence" given to me in this life is creating 3Dimensional mathematics - as an engineer, and problem solving.... I literally deal with complex 2D & 3D shapes and patterns on a daily basis.... The abstract digital art I create as a hobby consist of no patterns or symmetry.... I find chaos in colors and shapes in an abstract setting to be very aesthetically pleasing to me - almost like a subconscious rebellion to my educationalized rules of order in engineering...! LoL
I am going to try (next time) what has been suggested by a few of you in this thread.... I will turn off the lights, lay in bed, and maybe put on some Enigma music thru headphones.... It is very calming music for me, (I prefer heavy metal music otherwise)..... As a cat(LoL), my curiosity is really twitching about seeing the CEV's from that type of "deadened" environment.... Logically thinking, turning off other stimuli would definitely let you focus better....
Hey, just for shits and giggles, I will post one of my pics if I can figure out how to.... They are kinda~ trippy in a way that possibly no one has ever seen, and ya'll might dig-um....? Didn't seem to find any captive audiences on EBAY.... 
Well, tired of typing.... ChoW~ >^;;^<
P.S.: If I am wrong in ANYTHING that I am saying, PLEASE correct me.... I don't know anything about mental illnesses.... I did see "A Beautiful Mind" tho~, and that is about all I know about Skitzofrania.....!!!! LoL And all the stuff I spelled wrong, yeah, I suck....! LoL

. . . Lick me, I mean CLICK me to see a larger version....! It is called: "Transcendent Kingdom?"_Study-01 A small section from one of my big pictures.... Enjoy...!
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelic [Re: PhanTomCat]
#3159457 - 09/21/04 11:19 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you have done a lot of DXM this can make it so you cannot trip hard, if at all
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelics.? [Re: PhanTomCat]
#3160018 - 09/21/04 01:37 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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GimpyTomCat said: Aldous, I would also like to know how/where you have come up with the cut and dry definitions of "pseudo-hallucination" and a "true hallucination".... Are you a Doctor...? The dictionary says; "Hallucination - to see something that does not exist".... You have interpreted the definition a little to give the impression that one has to "BELIEVE" that what they are seeing is real....
Well, as you might guess, I didn't make it all up. I think (if I remember it all right) it comes from Shanon's book, where he makes a whole classification of ayahuasca effects. I guess he would know, since he's a cognitive psychology researcher at Jerusalem university. He himself recalls only one true hallucination, where (after an ayahuasca session) he saw a suspicious looking man walk around looking for something, and figured out later on that it couldn't have been real. Closed-eyes hallucinations are in fact 'visions', and anything you don't mistake for reality is a 'pseudo-hallucination'. It was along those lines, but look it up, it will make for an interesting read.
That's also the reason why nobody's happy with the terminology: hallucinogens are in fact NOT hallucinogenic, they are better called visionary substances.
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelics.? [Re: Aldous]
#3160455 - 09/21/04 03:03 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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FalseAddiction: I have never done DXM.... Dileriants and/or Dis-associatives, and the thought of swiss cheeze for a brain doesn't spark my interest.... Not that I am calling you out, just not the type of experience I am searching for....
Aldous: It all still seems very subjective (almost to a point of a stale mate).... There just seems to be too many reports for it to just be almost a myth.... Some of the smoked DMT reports of breaking thru and having interactive conversations with other beings seems to be common place.... I dunno~.... Maybe I am just a skitzo locked up somewhere having a hallucination that I am typing messages to other imaginary beings.... LoL
I wonder if a poll would clear things up - if strict guidelines were set up for the different types of hallucinations.... It might just bring more confusion to this very subjective topic....? There is know way to proove or dis-proove an experience that someone else has.... There is no right or wrong.... And there is no spoon Neo....!! Thank you for challenging me, now I need a brain relaxer for the cramp...! <EG>
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelics.? [Re: PhanTomCat]
#3160901 - 09/21/04 04:24 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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GimpyTomCat said: Some of the smoked DMT reports of breaking thru and having interactive conversations with other beings seems to be common place....
I know. I've never smoked DMT, but I've read many reports. But even interacting with a machine elf doesn't necessarily mean you take it for real. You can also interact with something you know to be a (pseudo-)hallucination... or can't you? I really don't know, still waiting for my first elf...
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelic [Re: baraka]
#3160992 - 09/21/04 04:52 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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ever tried PCP?
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelic [Re: TitanSmoke]
#3163777 - 09/22/04 07:12 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have never tried PCP.... There are a small list of substances that as a young adult going thru health education in middle school, decided not to try, and have stuck by those decisions.... PCP, Herion, Cocain, and Crack are all on that list.... Not being well versed in PCP (besides the stories of people going on a psychotic rages and throwing 6 cops off of them while trying to aprehend them), I think it is classified as a dis-associative, and that doesn't spark my interest in mind expansion.... I also do very much know that the media ONLY FOCUSES on the bad things that happen from doing these types of substances....
The other 3 substances listed are classified as highly addictive, and I have chosen to not use a drug that I would have to insuflate or shoot into my bloodstream.... These are my own personal reasons, and I in no way judge others in their choices.... I have had the opportunity to do coke a few times in my life, and it just gave me the opportunity to show myself that I could hold true to the promise I made as a child.... I didn't even have to think for a second before the answer of "no thank you" was given.... The other substances listed, I have never had the opportunity to try, but would still turn them down if the situation came up....
I personally seek mind expanding experiences.... Ones that make me grow mentally as a human, and help to inspire creative outlets in my life.... I also, on the other hand, would like to try everything for myself at least once in my life...! So if a situation came up that I had a terminal illness, I might overlook my self promise to see what each experience brought from the substances on my "won't do list".... That way if I got addicted, it would be short lived - as with my body on this earth....!
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelics.? [Re: Aldous]
#3163931 - 09/22/04 08:24 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Aldous: OK, from what we have discussed here, it clearly sounds like there are actually 3 very different kinds~ of hallucinations.... From your source(s) of info, two of them seem to be grouped in the "Psuedo-Hallucination" catagory based on "Belief" - EVEN THOUGH they are very different.... One person's definition based on his own findings and conclusions does not mean that their observations are completely correct - unless they are left unchallenged.... And other people's understanding of a subjective topic might be highly influenced by reading from a "creadible" source of a knowledged person/Doctor.... The world might still be flat to this very day if the ideas were not challenged...!
I think that the "classifications of hallucinations" need to be separated as follows....:
Group #1) Would be the "Modification Hallucinations" ie: Brighter colors, breathing walls, shimmering water effect, mosiac pattering, seeing a modified/enhanced version of what is already there....
Group #2) Would be the "Psuedo Hallucinations" ie: Someone sees and experiences objects or beings that they know are not really there, but they can still see or interact with them as if the were there....
Group #3) Would be the "True Hallucinations" ie: Seeing and experiencing an entity or environment that one TRULY BELIEVES is really there, and is happening in real life at the time.... Then later finds out that what they saw and experienced was truly not indeed there.... ----- On a sidenote, if the person having this type of hallucination were to be informed -realtime- that what they were seeing at the time was not real, then by reasoning, it would quickly be put in the "group #2" catagory....
This last "group #3" would describe a total immersion into a realm of the psychedelic explorer's mind that would not allow one to distinguish from what is real, and what is not - unknowingly.... Now if one was to believe that what they are seeing is real, I ask the question, would a group #3 "True Hallucination" experience be a state of mind closely resembling that of a skitzofranic's state of mind....? 
In my experiences, I am still stuck in the middle of group #1, and have still not seen any patterning (with just shroomz).... I will try the dark room suggestions next time.... Being a video game player, I MUST complete this level....!!!! And maybe it will help prepare me for the next level....? Only time will tell.... 
ChoW~
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelics.? [Re: PhanTomCat]
#3164151 - 09/22/04 10:15 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Who's to say what's "real" and what isn't?
Also, I have only tripped on LSA, but what my experience brought me was a profound clarity of mind and ability to think in a deductive yet incredibly creative manner. I think people's creativities manifest themselves in different ways when they are tripping (just as in reality).. I was expecting all these visuals, as described by a friend who had done LSA before, and yet, for me, the trip was purely mental. I had no alterations to perceptions whatsoever. I even listened to some good trance, and my only thought on it was, gee, this is pretty dull.. I want to go think in a quiet field somewhere. And such I did. And that, for me, is precisely what I was looking for in the experience, though I had not actually expected to find it.
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelics.? [Re: HealingVisionary]
#3164637 - 09/22/04 12:13 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Healing Visionary: "Who's to say what's "real" and what isn't?"
Well, there is a show called "The Real World", and funny enough, it has NOTHING to do with the real world.... It is a show that they put a bunch of people together that don't get along to make for "good TV" (for some)...! It is not "REAL", but it is because it is there....
On a serious note tho, I found the same profound effects that you had on LSA, not in visuals, but in the increadible mind clarity, and a deep feeling of connectedness with everything.... I personally don't care for LSA because it makes my next few days kinda~ fuzzy in a way.... Almost in a way the opposite of the way I feel when I am on the substance.... "By the power of three times three, make them see, make them see..."
But this is all the purpose of this topic, to find out why I have tripped many times, and have never "seen" any of the hallucinations as described by others.... Wondering what others have truly "seen" on their "visionary" journeys, and trying to create "logical" theorys/reasons for why they do, and why I don't.... I have gained incredible insight from these substances, worked out some problems in my life, and felt that wonderful connectedness with everything.... I regret nothing, and I feel that everything happens for a reason.... Life is a test.... Which opens many doors of conversation in itself....
Thanx~ for the insight thru your eyes...!
ChoW~
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelic [Re: MuShi_KiNg]
#3166495 - 09/22/04 07:26 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dimenhydrinate/Diphenhydramine are not recreational by any means, but in a reasonably high does they almost always produce these "true hallucinations" (people you know talking to you and then dissapearing as if photoshopped off a piece of running film). I have been curious for a while about this aspect of these drugs, and whether or not lower but active doses of them mixed with more euphoric drugs might create very interesting and realistic visuals. An yone tried it?
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelic [Re: PhanTomCat]
#3167164 - 09/22/04 09:29 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you want a "true hallucination", then you should follow the advice of some of the other responses and try diphenhydramine, or my favorite hallucinogen of this type, Datura. You must exercise extreme caution if you use Datura, as it is not hard to overdose and an OD can be fatal. So do the research! The experience is completely alien to any other trip. It takes the thin ties to reality you have when tripping and rips them to pieces. Your mind literally makes its own reality while on these, which says a lot about the fragile nature of what is commonly accepted as "real" to begin with. You want a hallucination? Manifest one. Personally, my best and most "real" visuals have always come from a combination of 1/8 of shrooms and 400 mg of mescaline sulfate. But that's me...
-------------------- Everything that we see is a shadow cast by that which we do not see.
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TehKraken
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelic [Re: PhanTomCat]
#3167333 - 09/22/04 09:54 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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First 2 times I did mushrooms I did 2 grams and never got any super duper hallucination effect. The last time I did them I did 4 grams and was able to hallucinate if I closed my eyes. Eventually I would start seeing crap actually pop up in front of my eyes. The trick in my opinion is to sit down/lie down and just concentrate on the visuals, you'll get a good effect out of it. Like, next time I do them, I am for sure gonna try the new trick I learned.
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