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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelic [Re: falseaddiction]
#3168542 - 09/23/04 01:48 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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falseaddiction said: If you have done a lot of DXM this can make it so you cannot trip hard, if at all
That is the biggest load of shit I have seen on shroomery in a while. I have done my fair share of DXM, and have NO problems tripping hard on various psychedelic substances.
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelic [Re: Lifenergy]
#3168812 - 09/23/04 03:14 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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sfxkill764: "try diphenhydramine, or my favorite hallucinogen of this type, Datura."
I have read enough about the tropanes & DXM to know that I have no desire to try them.... Not interested in deleriants, or dis-associatives.... Too much lose of mental "control/capacity".... I will say that one time, and one time only, I downed a bottle of Robo, and I did not like it at all.... It was such a deadening feeling, and I couldn't put more than 2 words together in my head before I forgot what the first word was.... It seemed like about a week before the whole "deadening" effect was completely gone.... Not interested in visiting that place again, or anything like it.... They are not what I consider to be psychedelics, or mind expanding/creative boosters.... Too much of a "dark" feeling for me....
If "Diphenhydramine" is classed in these same catagories, I would not be interested.... I have never read up on this particular one....
I am not necessarily looking for a "True Hallucination".... I have access shroomz, and will try the dark room and trippy music.... I would be happy enough to see CEV's if my mind allows it.... If not, I will just have to live with shroomz giving me the creative twitch and beautiful insight that it shares with me - without the visuals.... I can live with that...! Thanx~ for all your input, but no deleriants, or dis-associatives for me.... 
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelics.? [Re: PhanTomCat]
#3170626 - 09/23/04 03:47 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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GimpyTomCat said: This last "group #3" would describe a total immersion into a realm of the psychedelic explorer's mind that would not allow one to distinguish from what is real, and what is not - unknowingly.... Now if one was to believe that what they are seeing is real, I ask the question, would a group #3 "True Hallucination" experience be a state of mind closely resembling that of a skitzofranic's state of mind....? 
The schizophrenic's scary state of mind is partially due, I think, to lack of control and security. Just an example: when taking mushrooms, one of the most basic advices in case the trip starts going bad is to just keep telling yourself that you took shrooms and that it's all gonna be over in a matter of hours. In my experience, you can follow this advice (most of the time) because you remember you took mushrooms. When you smoke salvia, on the other hand, the next moment you've forgotten you smoked anything at all, and hallucinations can more easily be mistaken for reality. But then, salvia doesn't last very long. Imagine you hallucinate at times but without warning. You never know how to tell truth from delusion. This must be extremely scaring, and it's called schizophrenia. Anything you hallucinate is potentially real, so it's all #3, except if you are able to remember that corn flakes do not walk and talk and play tricks on you in real reality. But you're never gonna be sure...
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelics.? [Re: Aldous]
#3171466 - 09/23/04 06:48 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dammit, I had an answer all typed out, and my IExplorer fugged up and lost it all.... Grrrrrr....
Thanx~ for spelling it right, I knew I was wrong on that...! Schizophrenia.... 
OK, the Salvia experience is very drastic, and somewhat over whelming to be immediately & instantly whisked away into the foriegn depths of one's own altered mind.... It can be frightening, and for me, just "plain" confusing.... Time is altered as tho~ it seems like an eternity - even though on our physical plane, it has only been a few minutes.... Trapped in a state of mind where as you have no control of thought, or even the slightest grip on reality as we know it.... (This is what almost every human in the world seeks - if not by substances, then by "out of control" amusement rides, or by other means - "A Thrill Ride"...) It makes me wonder if it alters our nueral biochemical mechanics to mimic that of someone with a mental illness such as the schizophreniacs state of mind.... I cannot be the only one in the world who has ever questioned this idea, but maybe my infantile "un-educationalized" way of thinking on this subject is on the lines of something profound...? I doubt it.... Maybe I am over-simplifying all of this.... The world may never know...! As I am sure that someone that is qualified to answer ANY of these questions would never just find this thread by chance.... But even if they were to comment, unless they were to be able to experience exactly what a schizophreniac is experiencing, all of the answers would be subjective.... As you know, NOBODY can put into words and describe to someone else what an actual experience is.... ESPECIALLY when you are talking about a psychedelic state of mind.... There are just too many senses that cannot be defined by words.... Unless you have experienced it, you will never be able to really know what someone elses experience is like.... Even if it is the same experience, they are not the same as defined by our own very unique perceptions....
The mind is the most complex biochemical electric machine known to exist - as we know.... Intersting enough, we all have one.... And we use a VERY small percentage of it at that....
It is very interesting the effects of LSD, and how it actually works - or how they don't know it to work.... Taken from Pharmacotheon: "Pharmacological studies have shown that little of an injected dose of LSD actually reaches the brain of experimental animals, and the tissue concentrations reach a maximum level within 10-15 minutes of injection, and rapidly subside thereafter.... ***The drug is almost completely eliminated from the body before the peak effects commence,*** suggesting that it acts as some sort of catalyst, inducing the neurochemical changes which subsequently result in the visionary experience..." - Hofmann 1968 - What does "Almost" mean in a purely scientific realm...????
This theory/statement would suggest that we already have the chemicals in our minds/bodies to embark on such a journey without the use of a substance such as LSD.... Maybe as the humanimal mind evolves, we will have the knowledge and internal means of altering our own neuralbiochemical changes -at will- to produce our own visionary experiences without the use of "substances" produced by the alkoloids in plants and their derivatives.... It might suggest that we already have the ability, but we just don't know how.... If a psychedelic state also inturn "seems" to slow down time, it would suggest that we would have the ability to control our own time with our minds upon the ultimate mental evolution of mankind....
I would personally be happy to use a few more %'ages of my own brain...!!! (Especially in the spelling department...!!!) LoL... And I am getting way off topic and rambling, so I will stop now becuase Survivor is on.....!
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelics.? [Re: PhanTomCat]
#3173818 - 09/24/04 05:04 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelics.? [Re: Aldous]
#3173881 - 09/24/04 06:16 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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L-M-F-A-O....!!!!! Its crazy, I sit down, and all these thoughts just keep pulsing thru my head, and my fingers just keep typing...! LoL I had this whole week off from werk~, and I spent most of it here...! ::::Bowing head:::: . . . . .  I think I am addicted.....
OK, the 1st step to recovery is admitting that you have the problem.... I think I am over that part, (I secretly knew it all along)....! I think that the 2nd step is going to have to ween myself off of here to make the withdrawal less painful...
I will stop babbling my: "Three Platues to The Peak of Schizophrenia and The Delirious Dis-Associate's Shadow Stalker Re-Birth" bullshyt....!
ChoW~ >^;;^<
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelic [Re: PhanTomCat]
#3174376 - 09/24/04 10:02 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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2 comments,......... #1. I must warn you..... never, ever say you could never have a "bad trip" because you have a strong head on your shoulders. You possibly could find yourself in a world of shit if you truly believe that. I thought the same way, and had tripped about 50 times(incredible mind blowing trips), before I realized you are not in total control of your thoughts if you own a conscienceness. Let me explain. I was on cloud nine through what I experienced from psychedelics. TOTAL optimism!!!!!! Then one day I read an article in High Times from a female author(I forget her name). She was a psychiatrist, and had studied many of years in the field of hallucinogens, back when LSD was still legal, this was in the fifties, LSD didn't become illegal until '66. Anyway she stated that no matter what, no matter how head strong you are, never imagine you could never have a bad trip, no matter how many hundreds of trips you have had with positive effects. She explained that at any given time you could experience "the dark side", it is extremely ugly, and you MUST be ready for it. I couldn't imagine what in the hell she was talking about. Well when I used to trip 2-3 times a month, and I always pushed it as far as I could get, heavy doses, mostly by myself, I remembered what I had read in that article. For all those who think life is great, and so isn't this world, well sorry to sound harsh but, that is fucking naive in the utmost extreme. There are so many rotten things that goes on in this world that we take for granted just so we can shun them out, and only take in the positive things in life to keep us happy. We only look at the good things in life and hide the bad. One must take in the bad to appreciate the good. Ying and Yang. Good and evil. Well, that was my first bad trip, on somewhere around 1200 mics of LSD. I was floored. I realized that I paid no attention to all the bad in life just to make my own life better, I realized all the things in life I had taken for granted. I was horrified and felt so much guilt and shame, just cause all the negative things in life didn't personally affect me, so i was O.K.. Ever seen someone read the newspaper from front to back and still be in a good mood. Jesus, that is so sad. All these bad things happening, and no one acknowledges them for their own relief. That one trip has left me to suffer from manic depression for the last 12 years, and I can't snap out of it. Yeah, I thought there wasn't such a thing as a bad trip either, but the last 12 years has been a solid reminder that there is. So don't push the doses, if you own a conscienceness, you'll eventually witness the dark side, be prepared. I am not trying to scare you, just forewarn you.
#2. One of the replies to your question was,....... smoke DMT. Whoever repied that is a fucking idiot. DMT is only for veterans. DO NOT SMOKE DMT UNLESS YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED A TRIP OF ABOUT 3000 MICS OF LSD AND WERE COMFORTABLE WITH IT. Sure, it only lasts about fifteen minutes, but you cam find yourself in a world of trouble real quick. I wouln't reccomend DMT to anyone, so just forget you ever even heard of it. And to whoever repied back with that comment, you need to think twice about making a suggestion like that. DMT can totally wreck someone, or maybe you don't care. Think about it..........
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelic [Re: nemo]
#3175013 - 09/24/04 01:04 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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In my case it was just the opposite. I could only see negativity in the world, and I let it affect my life and my mood very much. I was not medically depressed, but I didn't see the purpose of making plans and let myself fully be happy. I tripped semi-recreationally for a long time on relatively light doses, and everything went OK. When I started to up the doses gradually, things didn't work out anymore. I didn't have bad trips, but they weren't satisfactory anymore. In fact, the higher I dosed, the less I tripped. Then I took a series of guided ayahuasca sessions, and I had a bad trip for about 15 minutes, the longest of my life. Since the session was guided, I was able to ask for help and get out of there. Retrospectively, those heavy ayahuasca trips did it for me and made me see all the joy and beauty there is to life. I'm still aware of all the ugliness, but I'm able to recognize the positive side and see it compensates for everything bad. Like you say, Yin and Yang, you can't have one without the other, and coming from where I was, I love the idea...
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That one trip has left me to suffer from manic depression for the last 12 years, and I can't snap out of it.
Sorry, but I just can't believe that the substance or the trip was responsible for it. It just revealed something that was already on your mind somewhere and that you have to work on. You probably started something there that you couldn't finish because you (understandably) don't want to go back there. Have you ever read Stan Grof or heard about transpersonal psychology? I think that could help you understand what happened to you. Twelve years is much too long to endure, you should try to seek help with someone who could really help you, a transpersonal psychologist or someone at least who practices rebirth or holotropic breathwork. No problems without solutions. I wish you the best of luck.
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelics.? [Re: PhanTomCat]
#3175195 - 09/24/04 01:39 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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GimpyTomCat: Quote:
It is very interesting the effects of LSD, and how it actually works - or how they don't know it to work.... Taken from Pharmacotheon: "Pharmacological studies have shown that little of an injected dose of LSD actually reaches the brain of experimental animals, and the tissue concentrations reach a maximum level within 10-15 minutes of injection, and rapidly subside thereafter.... ***The drug is almost completely eliminated from the body before the peak effects commence,*** suggesting that it acts as some sort of catalyst, inducing the neurochemical changes which subsequently result in the visionary experience..." - Hofmann 1968 - What does "Almost" mean in a purely scientific realm...????
I can't be EXACTLY positive, but I know that LSD and Psilocin work generally the same way, and within one (1) hour 85% of the psilocin that is in your body after eating mushrooms has been completely broken down and removed. The remaining 15% will be in your urine anywhere from 2 to 7 (exaggerated for safety) days and can be stored in body fat for a couple weeks. I imagine LSD to work in generally the same way.
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelics.? [Re: Silven]
#3178004 - 09/25/04 02:40 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Silven said: GimpyTomCat: Quote:
It is very interesting the effects of LSD, and how it actually works - or how they don't know it to work.... Taken from Pharmacotheon: "Pharmacological studies have shown that little of an injected dose of LSD actually reaches the brain of experimental animals, and the tissue concentrations reach a maximum level within 10-15 minutes of injection, and rapidly subside thereafter.... ***The drug is almost completely eliminated from the body before the peak effects commence,*** suggesting that it acts as some sort of catalyst, inducing the neurochemical changes which subsequently result in the visionary experience..." - Hofmann 1968 - What does "Almost" mean in a purely scientific realm...????
I can't be EXACTLY positive, but I know that LSD and Psilocin work generally the same way, and within one (1) hour 85% of the psilocin that is in your body after eating mushrooms has been completely broken down and removed. The remaining 15% will be in your urine anywhere from 2 to 7 (exaggerated for safety) days and can be stored in body fat for a couple weeks. I imagine LSD to work in generally the same way.
I am not sure how much but when you eat shroomz, doesn't your stomach destroy some of the shroom'z active Tryptamine Alkaloids...? Wouldn't it go something like: 1)some of it get oxidized and destroyed by MonoAmineOxydase(sp)...? 2)some would turn into the HCL salt...? 3)some of the rest actually passes into your blood...?
Somehow I do know that some of the actives of shroomz get destroyed because otherwise MAOI's wouldn't work.... I just don't know the %'s of how they break down....
Does anyone know the chemistry of how shroomz break down in yer~ tummy...? 
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelics.? [Re: PhanTomCat]
#3178375 - 09/25/04 08:31 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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cool thread i used to drink so much blue ring tea it would make me drunk like and stumble when walking besides regular visuals i see solid ones but could tell its fake usually smooth looking but the weird thing to me was physical trips like feeling a object pass through you haveing your legs melt together and others it feels so real its hard to get out and focus on something else again its uncomfortable but ok in the end. ps try not to do to much, but its like when i first got to drunk and thought ill never do this again now after many times i sometimes still think ill never get this drunk again lol!i wonder if any one else knows more about feeling visuals or gets it.
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelics.? [Re: PhanTomCat]
#3178377 - 09/25/04 08:31 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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one of my dealers says he can not get visuals from shrooms. he said he just gets an annoying body high, no matter how much he has taken. he claims that he has never had any visual effects or mind altering effects, just a body high like a low dose of he he said. i guess it all comes down to the person though. i get off with shrooms no problem.
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelic [Re: PhanTomCat]
#3180067 - 09/25/04 06:48 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maybe this is unusual, but I never get closed eye visuals. That is one of the most common effects of psychadelics, so I'm told. Every time I trip, I close my eyes to see what everyone is talking about, and nothing happens. When I open my eyes though, I see patterns in everything, colors pulsate and change, people's eyes drift apart and together, solid objects bend, circular objects start spiraling, and if I direct my finger through the air in front of me, it looks like a liquid trail following the path, kinda like if you traced a design on the surface of smooth water. I love every second of it! The open eye visuals are amazing, but if I close my eyes, everything is gone...I consider this strange, but when it comes to hallucinogenics, what is strange anyway? It's also really fun to take bong hits and watch the patterns the smoke makes when you blow it out...very entertaining. Peace!
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelics.? [Re: PhanTomCat]
#23433898 - 07/12/16 02:10 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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It vastly depends on the quality and type of whatever you have. Ppl don't realize there are even variations in lsd crystals. I've had some lsd (i use tester kits to make sure everything is correct) that was crazy visuals. Like woah wtf. Couchlock. I've also had some(the more generic common gdf fluff) that has great visuals at upwards of 10 or 15 doses but most ppl can't handle the mental effects that high up. Although my brother gets insane visuals from that stuff too so it is dependant on each person. And shrooms vary insanly.I've had fungus where no matter how much I ate I didn't see shit. Then there were these ones.... I flew through a portal in my couch and flew through a rainbow world. Was amazing. Also have been to Narnia on some other ones. This kinda shit is on more than 7g or candy flippin I also had shrooms that had visuals but not as intense but me and my friend thought we were Scooby and shaggy and our other buddy who was sober became fred If you really want visuals though The yellow "jungle spice" dmt is crazy. Will knock you on your ass
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelics.? [Re: KushMurderMystery]
#23434059 - 07/12/16 05:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelics.? [Re: KushMurderMystery]
#23435034 - 07/12/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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KushMurderMystery said: It vastly depends on the quality and type of whatever you have. Ppl don't realize there are even variations in lsd crystals. I've had some lsd (i use tester kits to make sure everything is correct) that was crazy visuals. Like woah wtf. Couchlock. I've also had some(the more generic common gdf fluff) that has great visuals at upwards of 10 or 15 doses but most ppl can't handle the mental effects that high up. Although my brother gets insane visuals from that stuff too so it is dependant on each person......
The last post in this thread was almost 12 years ago...
....and LSD is LSD, the whole thing about different crystal types catalyzing slightly different effects/trips/ or body loads is totally a myth. "GDF Fluff" is just a sales pitch, and there is no "GD" fam spreading doses these days....LSD is LSD, doesn't matter if someone calls it fluff, or needlepoint, or silver, or lavender, it's all the same. Some doses might be dosed heavier or weaker than others, that's about it .
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Re: Does anybody else NOT have hallucinations on psychedelic [Re: openmind]
#23435270 - 07/12/16 03:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I tripped with a friend once and sitting in his dark room watching the television we both saw the words that were written on the tv come right off the tv to the sides of it
we both jumped up and pointed at it so we clearly both saw the exact same hallucination
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