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OrgoneConclusion
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Free Will - What does it matter?

#11067153 - 09/15/09 10:58 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Joe Axe Murderer slaughters rural family.

Free Will Scenario: Joe had a choice and society applies appropriate justice by choosing to give JAM the electric chair.

No Free Will Scenario: Joe had no choice and was a product of his abusive parents. Society is also reactionary and has no choice but to go for revenge and gives JAM the electric chair.

Am I missing something?

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Re: Free Will - What does it matter?

[Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#11067179 - 09/15/09 11:01 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

It matters for aesthetics and interest not practicality.

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[Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#11067187 - 09/15/09 11:03 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds about right, although Free will advocates will tell you that since there was the option of not committing murder that therefore free will exists. :weirdeyes:

:weirdeyes:

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[Re: explosiveoxygen]
#11067221 - 09/15/09 11:07 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

...and those on the other side of the fence will say there never was a true option...and around and around we go.

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Re: Free Will - What does it matter?

[Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#11067435 - 09/15/09 11:39 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

OrgoneConclusion said:

Joe Axe Murderer slaughters rural family.

Free Will Scenario: Joe had a choice and society applies appropriate justice by choosing to give JAM the electric chair.

No Free Will Scenario: Joe had no choice and was a product of his abusive parents. Society is also reactionary and has no choice but to go for revenge and gives JAM the electric chair.

Am I missing something?

Well the opposing views give me two different feelings of what life is. If free will exists, then we're active participants with real choices and the ability to be responsible and weigh what it is we're doing. If free will doesn't exist, then life is little more than a ride. Not a bad ride for me, but a shitty ride for some others.

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Re: Free Will - What does it matter?

[Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#11069300 - 09/16/09 10:36 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

OrgoneConclusion said:

Joe Axe Murderer slaughters rural family.

Free Will Scenario: Joe had a choice and society applies appropriate justice by choosing to give JAM the electric chair.

No Free Will Scenario: Joe had no choice and was a product of his abusive parents. Society is also reactionary and has no choice but to go for revenge and gives JAM the electric chair.

Am I missing something?

I say FREE WILLIE exists

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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Free Will - What does it matter?

[Re: Icelander]
#11069640 - 09/16/09 11:47 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Free will in what sense? are we discussing the idea that one's will is completely independent of the outside world? I mean, everyone's actions influence other people to a certain extent.

Ex. what food you buy depends on what the farmer decides to grow

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[Re: learningtofly]
#11069651 - 09/16/09 11:50 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Not in that sense for sure. I think we have a limited amount of choice and that's all. Probably less then we think.

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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: Free Will - What does it matter?

[Re: Icelander]
#11069748 - 09/16/09 12:08 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Icelander said:

Not in that sense for sure. I think we have a limited amount of choice and that's all. Probably less then we think.

I freely choose to believe that I have more free will than I think. :yesnod:

:yesnod:

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Re: Free Will - What does it matter?

[Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#11069765 - 09/16/09 12:10 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

proof positive

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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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[Re: Icelander]
#11069885 - 09/16/09 12:28 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Icelander
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#11069899 - 09/16/09 12:30 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Actually I'm a death anxiety regular.

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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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#11069913 - 09/16/09 12:32 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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[Re: Lakefingers]
#11069926 - 09/16/09 12:33 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I hope you don't "pass on" before it get's there.

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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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#11070215 - 09/16/09 01:18 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: Free Will - What does it matter?

[Re: Lakefingers]
#11070273 - 09/16/09 01:29 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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I read 3-5 each week.

Those Reader's Digest abridged versions sure save time.

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