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Re: All you need to know about The Paranormal [Re: Icelander]
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That doesn't make certain experience non paranormal, the tests don't explain what the experience is, what is happening during it, and how/why they happen.  Your missing my point.

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Re: All you need to know about The Paranormal [Re: deranger]
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Your point I take it is that anything is possible.

But that's not much of a point IMO. It's so obvious. But without evidence for something it's pointless claim it's existence.

Now if one were to say it's possible but there is no evidence that would be logical. But if one's claim is that it's true because it's possible, well...


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: All you need to know about The Paranormal [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Your point I take it is that anything is possible.

But that's not much of a point IMO. It's so obvious. But without evidence for something it's pointless claim it's existence.


If an experience didn't exist it wouldn't have been experienced.  Should I deny all your dreams just because you can't prove that you dreamt?

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Now if one were to say it's possible but there is no evidence that would be logical. But if one's claim is that it's true because it's possible, well...



The experience is true, our interpretation of it is most likely isn't.

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Re: All you need to know about The Paranormal [Re: deranger]
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Why do you think they call them dreams?

our interpretation of it is most likely isn't.

Here we agree. But if the interpretation is incorrect there is no point in discussing the experience, except as fantasy.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: All you need to know about The Paranormal [Re: Icelander]
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Dreams are experienced by everyone, AP and OBEs aren't. 

And experiencing something is not fantasy, though that which is being experienced may be.  But even then, to call it fantasy, is not explaining it in much detail... at all :lol:

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Re: All you need to know about The Paranormal [Re: deranger]
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All that  is beside the point IMO.

If you can't interpret your experience accurately then how do you know what that experience actually was?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: All you need to know about The Paranormal [Re: Icelander]
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I don't see what that's got to do with whether or not the experience is paranormal.  The truth is, it is experienced, and there is no scientific explanation as to what it is we are experiencing, and this is what makes it paranormal.  Calling it a fantasy is not a scientific explanation.

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Re: All you need to know about The Paranormal [Re: deranger]
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it is experienced

What is experienced? How can you consider something paranormal if you don't know what happened?:crazy2:

Everything would be paranormal by your definition, as nothing can be known for sure.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: All you need to know about The Paranormal [Re: Icelander]
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The experience is experienced.  That's exactly why we label things as paranormal, because we can't explain what happened.  And no, not everything would be paranormal, because for example the world, is experienced by everyone.

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Re: All you need to know about The Paranormal [Re: deranger]
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The world is not experienced by everyone in the same way. This would make it paranormal IMO.

If you can't explain what happened then how can you presume to talk about it? The folk here who claim paranormal experience almost always tell you what it was that happened, what it means or signifies. They say, OBE, Flying Saucer, God, Devil, Faeries, All oneness, Flying spaghetti monster.:shrug:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: All you need to know about The Paranormal [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
The world is not experienced by everyone in the same way. This would make it paranormal IMO.


So?  The same air is still breathed by everyone.  It's all the same earth we walk on.

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If you can't explain what happened then how can you presume to talk about it? The folk here who claim paranormal experience almost always tell you what it was that happened, what it means or signifies. They say, OBE, Flying Saucer, God, Devil, Faeries, All oneness, Flying spaghetti monster.:shrug:


We can talk about it... we can call them paranormal experiences.  We can talk about how to experience them, what we think happened.  If we want to give meaning to them and attach fantasies (interpretations) to them, that is something different.

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Re: All you need to know about The Paranormal [Re: deranger]
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So?  The same air is still breathed by everyone.  It's all the same earth we walk on.

So then with paranormal activities or are you saying they only belong to a chosen few.


We can talk about it... we can call them paranormal experiences.  We can talk about how to experience them, what we think happened.  If we want to give meaning to them and attach fantasies (interpretations) to them, that is something different.

Sure but I would think that would include the possibility that one was deluding themselves about what did actually happen.

I really don't know if such stuff exists. It would be more interesting if they did, but I have never seen any evidence.:shrug:

Same for God.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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