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Re: Egoloss: Sober compared to Psychedelics? [Re: Chronic7]
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OK, are you in a permanent bliss state? or are you repeating the promise that others have told you.
this is an either or question, and you must not lie.
(invoking 5000years is not a substitute for personal honesty - I want honesty, not the truth)


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Re: Egoloss: Sober compared to Psychedelics? [Re: redgreenvines]
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the bliss is not separate from me for me to say i 'experience' a permanent state of bliss, or to say im 'in' bliss

i am that bliss itself, theres no separation at all

thats 100% total honesty
i don't wish for anyone to beleive me

although everything i say has been said before, i am not a parrot, i speak from my own living experience which is undeniable

:peace:


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Re: Egoloss: Sober compared to Psychedelics? [Re: Chronic7]
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so you are bliss;
will the word permanent keep getting stuck onto your honest declarations
maybe "groovy" will be more honest.


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Re: Egoloss: Sober compared to Psychedelics? [Re: lobotomix]
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I think.. the ego loss is simply a requirement for spiritual communication.
I would not be.. if our minds were not so polluted with diseased thoughts.

Think of it this way..
The phone rings.. and the moment you pick up.. you start babbling on and on about this and that.. and what you want and dont want.. so you basically cant even hear the person on the other line...
Or .. to make matters worse..
Instead of hearing : there's this really pretty girl.. i think she wants to fuck you..
you hear : .... fuck you :smile:


The whole point is silencing your mind. The mind is silent when it does not want.
The Body .. is like a reference point for your mind..thus the mind shall be quiet when the needs of the body are entirely met , and it does not reflect its wishes on to your thought process >> Ego = Body

So.. i am for the mushroom option.
Ecstasy within 30-45 minutes... you shut the fuck up... And  then..
Just wait for the phone call.. or issue one yourself.


When you get acquainted with this method.. i think it becomes easier and easier to achieve without the fungi.


:peace:


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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..

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Re: Egoloss: Sober compared to Psychedelics? [Re: redgreenvines]
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i say its permanent because im not talking about a transient experience of pleasure

:peace:


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Re: Egoloss: Sober compared to Psychedelics? [Re: Chronic7]
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you sound like the 5000 year old pundits.
twisting words
if the bliss is not an experience that occurs, then it is not bliss according to any reality,
maybe it is a new term in your personal abstract mathematics.
or an interpretation of a 5000 year old mathematics.
if it is an experience, it will pass.
so not permanent.
if it is math or an idea, then it is not a real experience that you are having except of that idea or formulation.

sober or stoned, nothing is permanent, even a relative vector or direction - in relation to some other vector or thing.


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Re: Egoloss: Sober compared to Psychedelics? [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said:
mark, in moving the concept to humility, you shift everything, and you highlight everything:
me - ego death is fallacy, ego and body are self
jethro - ego and body are tools for self to explore universe
lobotomix - egolessness is a goal but is it the same goal for everyone
cognitive - 5000 years of pursuit of the goal is proof enough for me
icelander - i have seen the ego, and it is quite fetching, so is my dog
laughingdog - having seen how things are, you practice meditation so you can see them again, you meditate, but "who meditates?"

I am resolving that self is ego + body, people seek egolessness in trying to understand buddha, humility seems to be less ego, can it be taken all the way as to eradicate ego>>>>

me- see ego as it is, an operational aspect of mind-body existence
mark- through humility you (self) escape the domination of ego.

I think mr.clean will not get you where you want to go, but it may serve to improve conduct in the short term.
they say, "practice makes perfect"



I think mr.clean will not get you where you want to go, but it may serve to improve conduct in the short term.I think mr.clean will not get you where you want to go, but it may serve to improve conduct in the short term.:thumbup::thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Egoloss: Sober compared to Psychedelics? [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said:
if it is an experience, it will pass.
so not permanent.


Is an experience of bliss necessarily impermanent?  Just because you personally haven't succeeded in attaining such a state doesn't mean it's impossible.


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Re: Egoloss: Sober compared to Psychedelics? [Re: deCypher]
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It's unlikely and most likely impossible. How's that?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Egoloss: Sober compared to Psychedelics? [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said:
redgreenvines said:
if it is an experience, it will pass.
so not permanent.


Is an experience of bliss necessarily impermanent?  Just because you personally haven't succeeded in attaining such a state doesn't mean it's impossible.


right on I have certainly not encountered permanent bliss,
though I have seen the expectation of it, and much kooky dramarama around that.

if you say you have, (and therefore still are in an immutable state of bliss - that concept of immutable is idealistic at core - mathematical) I must remind you that you yourself are not permanent, so you can't even evaluate it, all you can encounter that is permanent is the idea of "permanent" - like the idea of infinity - it is a mathematical abstraction.
anyway
arguing about it does not make it so.
wishing for it does not make it so.
while observing what is happening should make it clear that the only thing that is "permanent-ish" is change.


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Re: Egoloss: Sober compared to Psychedelics? [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said:
while observing what is happening should make it clear that the only thing that is "permanent-ish" is change.


Becoming bliss is being indifferent to impermanence/change.
Yes, this is still a matter of perspective, as we can only change perspective, not "that which is."  This indifference comes with accepting "that which is" and living in it.
You are part of the flux.  When the illusion of separation fades, you become the flux.  You are the flux, you are perfection, you are bliss.


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..and in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make.

DC at:  Oneness

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Re: Egoloss: Sober compared to Psychedelics? [Re: Jethro Tull]
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Jethro Tull said:
redgreenvines said:
while observing what is happening should make it clear that the only thing that is "permanent-ish" is change.


Becoming bliss is being indifferent to impermanence/change.
Yes, this is still a matter of perspective, as we can only change perspective, not "that which is."  This indifference comes with accepting "that which is" and living in it.
You are part of the flux.  When the illusion of separation fades, you become the flux.  You are the flux, you are perfection, you are bliss.


:thumbup:


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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..

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Re: Egoloss: Sober compared to Psychedelics? [Re: Chronic7]
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I have yet to experience ego death sober.  In fact when i speak to my father about the profound effects the psychedelic experience has on myself.  He goes on to say that monks over in asia can get there with out drugs, i usually laugh and say "i hope not!"  I don't know what to think if one day i woke up and my sanity was spiraling away from me through my closed eye lids.


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Re: Egoloss: Sober compared to Psychedelics? [Re: Jethro Tull]
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Quote:
Jethro Tull said:...

Becoming bliss is being indifferent to impermanence/change.
Yes, this is still a matter of perspective, as we can only change perspective, not "that which is."  This indifference comes with accepting "that which is" and living in it.
You are part of the flux.  When the illusion of separation fades, you become the flux.  You are the flux, you are perfection, you are bliss.


that is a bit specific, and I think speculative, and I think wrong, but pleasantly poetic


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Re: Egoloss: Sober compared to Psychedelics? [Re: redgreenvines]
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:lol:

Yeah we :monkeydance: love the poetry.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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