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Re: A Theory of Psychedelics [Re: 3eyedgod]
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> I didn't realize how old this thread was. OOPS! my bad. Didn't mean to bump it over that

3eyedgod!  u funny guy!!!  you replied to the very first post i made!  :grin:

 


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Re: my two cents [Re: Murex]
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Actually, Low doses can increase the senses, allowing for better cordination, vision, etc. I saw a TV show where this scientest guy gave one Judo fighter a low dose of shrooms and another (the opponent) a placebo. The result was that the guy who was on the shrooms was drastically able to subdue the oponent more often. Note that they were sparing before the mushrooms were introuduced as well and were considered equal fighters.

That program also showed a historical thing in africa, where an african tribe won a battle against the Brittish when they were outnumbered (and using spears, not guns). They also knew that the shamans gave the fighters mushrooms before the battle.
 



wow I wanna see that TV show... yesterday I saw a show on shamans in the amazon, it was pretty good.  There was this white guy who hung out with the shamans, and offered to write their plant knowledge onto paper, so they could sell it to pharmacuetical companies :smile:

playing computer games on low doses of shrooms (or LSD), often times results in a severe asskickin to your competitors.  :grin:

 


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Re: A Theory of Psychedelics [Re: Murex]
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> Do dolphins have mamory glands?

I dunno I never really thought about it until now.  :blush: 


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Re: A Theory of Psychedelics [Re: pattern]
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Nothing is a pattern inside randomness.

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Re: A Theory of Psychedelics [Re: random]
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> Nothing is a pattern inside randomness.

Yeah, but not everything is random inside a pattern!  :grin: 


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Edited by pattern (12/14/02 03:18 PM)

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Re: A Theory of Psychedelics [Re: random]
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Chaos loops.


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


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Re: A Theory of Psychedelics [Re: Murex]
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So does Fruit but that is a topic for another thread.

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Re: my two cents [Re: pattern]
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playing computer games on low doses of shrooms (or LSD), often times results in a severe asskickin to your competitors.

Hahahahhaha...  that one day we tripped in your apartment..  I walked in to DSB and whooped ass like I was a vet, and I didn't even play the game...  good times...  good times...

So when are we shrooming again? I think we're about due :laugh:
 


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No one knows the worth of innocence till he knows it is gone forever, and that money can't buy it back. Not the saint, but the sinner that repenteth, is he to whom the full length and breadth, and height and depth, of life's meaning is revealed. Good and evil loose all objective meaning and are seen as equally necessary and contrasting elements in the masterpiece that is the universe.

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Re: my two cents [Re: nubious]
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>Hahahahhaha... that one day we tripped in your apartment.. I walked in to DSB
>and whooped ass like I was a vet, and I didn't even play the game... good
>times... good times...

there's nothing quite like playing multiplayer games on psychedelics!  :cool:



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Re: A Theory of Psychedelics [Re: pattern]
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Additional Thought:

Do our closest descendants share the pineal gland with us? Do chimpanzees or any monkeys have DMT-producing mechanisms in their brains? If they do not, then this further lends to the theory, in a more literal sense. "Humans = Primates + Psychedelics" would be more than an evolutionary metaphor (although it would still be an oversimplified expression).


Please consider Digging this story to bring it to the attention of others:
http://www.digg.com/general_sciences/Humans_Primates_Psychedelics


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Re: A Theory of Psychedelics [Re: pattern]
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So Psychedelics are like the monolith in 2001 a Space Odyssey and Adam and Eve's parents where hypie Apes !


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Re: A Theory of Psychedelics [Re: cloudtripper]
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cloudtripper said:
So Psychedelics are like the monolith in 2001 a Space Odyssey


You could probably throw some mushrooms in place of the monolith and the scene would make a lot of sense. :wink:


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Re: A Theory of Psychedelics [Re: whiterastahippie]
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Interesting read. Definitely something to think about.

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Re: A Theory of Psychedelics [Re: pattern]
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even lizards have pineal glands.
the psychedelic effect is not unique to humans, and the role of pineal is not clearly involved in the slower signal fadeout and cerebral layering of images/sounds/tactile/synaesthesia/etc...


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Re: A Theory of Psychedelics [Re: pattern]
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This is idiotic bullshit.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: A Theory of Psychedelics [Re: whiterastahippie]
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I wonder if this T-shirt got inspiration from here?

http://www.cafepress.com/buy/dmt/-/pv_design_details/pg_1/id_23902007/opt_/fpt_/c_666/

Here is another neat T-shirt:

http://www.printfection.com/natural


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Re: my two cents [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
If I had to hunt or was being hunted, I would want to be stone cold sober. The negative side-effects of a mushroom intoxication (as relates to extreme physical exertion) far outweigh the increased night vision. This fact alone tends to destroy that whole myth.

As always, I would put money on this as it can be fairly easily tested.


It only takes a minuscule dose of shrooms to enhance vision. Not enough to get one high. Buy the way I think we should ban you.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: my two cents [Re: Icelander]
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It only takes a minuscule dose of shrooms to enhance vision.


If you are old and have Mr. Magoo-like vision...


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Re: my two cents [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I apologize for re-reading
I wish I could realign the whole species of theorists who misuse the word "Evolution" by embracing the verb rather than the noun.

"To Evolve" - this verbal infinitive is essentially erroneous or at least misleading:
linguistically one assumes that one can conjugate it meaningfully, however, Evolution, or the fact of having evolved from anscestors is only applicable as an observation and understanding inferred from evidence related to mutation, environmantal change, and adaptation:

1. environmental change is continuous and slow or catastrophic and it is almost predictable except for some of the catastrophies.

2. mutation is continuous, never possible to predict and it never has any purpose whatsoever; purely accidental mutation is the only kind. Most mutations are ineffectual or lethal, very few produce something that changes a species into something at all more successful in it's niche.

3. adaptation to continuous change is also not predictable, but if a creature does survive a mutation, and if it can use its resulting form to compete better in the "changed" environment, then you could say (after it had passed on it's genes to its viable children, and usually died) that it had evolved. At best it is like the rich man who could not take it with him. --- Evolution is very much a historical analysis, and several generations tell a story of change with no conclusion or final state, just the momentary norm and variance in form.

this means that a viable mutated creature could never have any wish to evolve (infinitive - wrong usage), and would not knowingly or intentionally go through any process of evolving (present participle - wrong), but if it had been born wrong, survived, and had children who were viable, then after all was said and done they could be viewd as having evolved (past participle - good).

As for psychedelic interactions with intelligence, it does stretch the mind, and reach has always contributed something. (note the giraffe and enjoy your mushrooms)


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Re: my two cents [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said:As for psychedelic interactions with intelligence, it does stretch the mind, and reach has always contributed something. (note the giraffe and enjoy your mushrooms)


Are you trying to imply, subtly, that this theory is Lamarckian? When one says "to evolve" they may often be using it as a verb in the incorrect sense, but I don't believe that is the case here.

When I say "to evolve" I mean exactly what you say in point three: "if a creature does survive a mutation, and if it can use its resulting form to compete better in the "changed" environment, then you could say (after it had passed on it's genes to its viable children, and usually died) that it had evolved."

Now let me defend this theory against any charges that it is Lamarckian in nature. Consider this abstract timeline:

1) Group of monkeys or proto-humans live with diet of mushrooms.
2) Offspring has better genetics to utilize mushrooms.
3) Repeat.

For me to say "humans evolved from monkey eating mushrooms" does not, in any way shape or form, imply that a mammal chomped down a mushroom and that changed its DNA right then and there. This may be confused with the writings of McKenna, where he proposed that mushrooms were affecting DNA. Who knows, maybe he is right, but that's not what I am trying to say here. It's a minor difference but I think it's worth expounding.


cheers
pattern


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