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OfflineDeviate
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how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experience?
    #3807002 - 02/20/05 04:33 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

like people who have a lot of experience with psychedelics but would laugh at you if you talked about the mind expanding or spiritual effects. how someone can take one of these drugs and not see the significance of what it does is beyond me. the first time i smoked weed i had several revelations that still hold true today, yet i've met people who have smoked weed, done shrooms and acid and don't think of them as anything special at all. my psychedelic experience is limited, lots of weed, nitrous, a couple low dose shroom and salvia trips and one level 5 salvia trip. but these experiences have changed my life and behavior in innumerable ways. and i know my insights are real because they stand the test of time and have lead me to a much greater level of peace and happiness in my every day life. so it's a little odd for me when i meet a psychedelic drug user who dismisses the mind expanding affects as "hippie bullshit" and uses his greater experience with the drugs to invalidate mine.


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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experience? [Re: Deviate]
    #3807029 - 02/20/05 04:41 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

good question, i guess you could consider these people as people who are not spiritually open or somehting, or as people who are very materialistically grounded


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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: exclusive58]
    #3807056 - 02/20/05 04:48 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

yup...its too bad too...all they would need to do is go to a dead show while they were on a couple hundreds mics of LSD and there lives would be changed forever.


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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: Deviate]
    #3807115 - 02/20/05 05:00 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

You must remember that entheogens are merely chemicals. Any spiritual meaning you derive is of yourself alone. To focus on the chemical is missing the forest for the trees. Drugs are NOT spiritual...people are.


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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3807125 - 02/20/05 05:03 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

"yup...its too bad too...all they would need to do is go to a dead show while they were on a couple hundreds mics of LSD and there lives would be changed forever."

Come on, that is so cliche and so wrong. A drug cannot change your life, only you have that power. That mentality never worked in the 60s in expanding the conciousness of society and it won't work now. Taking acid and watching a rock concert is entertainment.


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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experience? [Re: Deviate]
    #3807126 - 02/20/05 05:03 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I think some people just prefer to take the experience and try to relate it to their sober reality, rather than taking their sober reality and relating it to the experience. for them this reality is the "true" reality and the trip is just an offset of that.


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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3807132 - 02/20/05 05:04 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

so do you think that spiritual people can take entheogens and not get any sort of 'revelation' or 'meaning' out of the experience.


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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3807141 - 02/20/05 05:06 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
You must remember that entheogens are merely chemicals. Any spiritual meaning you derive is of yourself alone. To focus on the chemical is missing the forest for the tree. Drugs are NOT spiritual...people are.




Nicely put. No to offend anyone or sound "blasphemous", I've had plenty of experience with various psychedelics, and I've also had some earth shattering spiritual revelations, or at least so I thought whilst intoxicated. As I recollected them sober, I realised most were just plain nuts.....


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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: exclusive58]
    #3807153 - 02/20/05 05:08 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

The entheogen is the catalyst only. For the catalyst to function properly set and setting have to be observed. A non-spiritual person would only find LSD to be a funny little high. The spiritual inspiration is derived from within ourselves. Entheogens are merely a convenient tool...like a hammer or a saw to a carpenter. Oh yes...a spiritual person can have an experience devoid of spiritual thought....like at that great Dead concert we were discussing. Entertainment is a worthy thing, though.


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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3807169 - 02/20/05 05:12 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

nice
so therefore, assuming you're not sure about one's spiritual nature, you could just give him some entheogens and based on this person's experience you could find out if he/she is spiritual or not?


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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: exclusive58]
    #3807193 - 02/20/05 05:16 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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so do you think that spiritual people can take entheogens and not get any sort of 'revelation' or 'meaning' out of the experience.




I know you weren't asking me, but in my life and experiences with psychedelics, the spritual state of mind comes when you focus on it....  If you don't choose to think that way, the thoughts will not go deeper than what they were....  But choice of thought doesn't really depend on if you are taking a psychedelic drug or not....  They just make some think deeper into things in a much more intense way....  IMO...


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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3807214 - 02/20/05 05:19 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

haha, ya assuming one actually has the capacity to think deeply!


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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: exclusive58]
    #3807259 - 02/20/05 05:32 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I'd like to know the deep revelations you people have experienced on mushrooms, that can't be understood another way. Every trip I've been on, from level 1 to unconscious level 5, I thought during and directly afterwards that my ideas were profound and were reaching an ultimate truth or conclusion. Upon further inspection, without bias, I don't see anything profound about the experience as it applies to reality (as much as it hurt to reach this point in the beginning). As a stand alone experience, it does induce marvel and wonder, but I find it much more fulfilling to view this as a seperate entity, other than mixing it into my everyday thoughts. I still can't come up with 1 single thing that I can take from a trip and apply it to the real world in a coherent way.


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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: exclusive58]
    #3807264 - 02/20/05 05:33 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

True dat~, true dat~.....    :yesnod:

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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: Deviate]
    #3807321 - 02/20/05 05:44 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

What is the meaning of the psychedelic experience?

:confused: :thumbup:


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    #3807344 - 02/20/05 05:48 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

lol

De-(con)struction.

the answer:

the psychedelic experience


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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: Gomp]
    #3807352 - 02/20/05 05:49 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Hi Gomper....  :grin:    For me, all experiences mean what I choose to make out of them....    Simply put....


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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3807367 - 02/20/05 05:51 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Good one.


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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: exclusive58]
    #3807376 - 02/20/05 05:54 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I don't mean to sound negative, but I lost my "newbie enlightenment" several hundred trips ago. I learned to see entheogens for what they were. In answer to your question...it would depend on set and setting. It would be much easier to ask them about their spiritual views,though.


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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3807426 - 02/20/05 06:05 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

well the main revelation i'm talking about is the fact that the reality you inhabit is built from "mind stuff". you're reality is computed by your brain and anything you see or experience can only be as complex as your brain can make it. we tend to think of our sensations and perceptions as reality but on a psychedelic our perceptions and sensations change, thus they cannot be reality, only the interface into reality that our brain creates. it doesn't take any sort of spiritual person to realize this, it's a simple intuition which happened to me the first time i smoked marijuana. i dont see what this has to do with set and setting or "newbie enlightenment" its just a simple fact that most people overlook but is impossible to overlook when on a psychedelic.


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