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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Unconditional Love [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
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adjust said:
Icelander said:
adjust said:
Which feels better? Love or hate?


Without a doubt for me love feels completely beautiful. It is fearless and totally relaxed. What could be better than that?


The seething sublime intoxication of power?


Not IMO. Hate or striving for control is tense and fear based. But it is the most common choice by far among humanity.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Unconditional Love [Re: deCypher]
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The Cypher said:
adjust said:
Which feels better? Love or hate?


Love is ephemeral, but hate is eternal.


I would like you to demonstrate how you know that hate is eternal. IMO no human emotions are eternal. It of course feels eternal to the ego immersed in death anxiety.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Unconditional Love [Re: Icelander]
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I was being hyperbolic.  Passion usually dies out rapidly from a relationship.  Vengeance, as motivated by hatred, usually lasts a lifetime.

Now, whether or not this is a good thing is entirely up to you.


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We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.

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Re: Unconditional Love [Re: deCypher]
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Passion usually dies out rapidly from a relationship.

What does passion and romantic relationships have to do with love?  (answer- nothing at all) These are business deals and nothing else.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Unconditional Love [Re: Icelander]
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Passion is a business deal?  :lol:


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Re: Unconditional Love [Re: deCypher]
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In shared relationships yes and you certainly know what I meant.  :shrug:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Edited by Veritas (10/27/08 12:10 PM)

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Re: Unconditional Love [Re: Icelander]
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:confused:

Passion requires two people to maintain itself--is this what you're getting at when you refer to a business deal?

Hatred, however, only requires one person, and thus is much more easily sustained across a lifetime.  With two people, the chances of passion dying are instantly doubled.


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Re: Unconditional Love [Re: deCypher]
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Please listen to me. Love has nothing to do with passion and romantic relationships. You are comparing hate to addiction or folly. There are always conditions on romantic relationships and if one person losses the passion the deal is off.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Unconditional Love [Re: Icelander]
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I have a hard time believing in unconditional love; never experienced it myself.


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Re: Unconditional Love [Re: deCypher]
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It's very rare indeed if it really fully exists for humans. I would say I have glimpsed it and been given it and for a brief time felt open to it. Really though I'm not sure anything is perfectly black and white.

I prefer the term unconditional acceptance. It's easier to get my head around. Accepting things the way they are no matter what you would prefer; friends, lovers, situations, life. When you can do this to a small extent you tend to get warm in your body (especially the chest) and you feel relaxed and open to things, even scary things somewhat. Love is not about who likes you or who you choose to like. It's all encompassing acceptance of what actually is.

Not an easy thing for me or for most humans it seems.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Unconditional Love [Re: Icelander]
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Seems that this is kind of a defeatist attitude, though: it provides no incentive to change a crappy situation if you can just accept one's suffering.


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Re: Unconditional Love [Re: deCypher]
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Don't confuse acceptance with apathy.  IMO, denial of reality is far more likely to result in being stuck than is full acceptance.  You can still prefer something else, and even work towards creating different circumstances for yourself and others, but you begin by accepting and fully acknowledging the current nature of what IS.

The key to this is realizing that aversion is a form of attachment.  When we refuse to accept what IS, we attempt to push it away & we experience aversion.  This attachment is what creates suffering, not the circumstance we are rejecting.

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Re: Unconditional Love [Re: Veritas]
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word!


A most common misconception. I try to alter things I don't prefer but by accepting them first I can get by very well if I can't change the situation.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Unconditional Love [Re: deCypher]
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The Cypher said:
Seems that this is kind of a defeatist attitude, though: it provides no incentive to change a crappy situation if you can just accept one's suffering.


Word ! You can even say you love seeing him suffer :lol:


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: Unconditional Love [Re: BlueCoyote]
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Words can be used anyway you want to. Unfortunately understanding the intent of a word continues to go over some posters heads no matter how often it is explained to them.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Unconditional Love [Re: BlueCoyote]
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I believe that Cypher was referring to accepting one's own suffering.  It would require quite a cold and disconnected personality to love someone else's suffering.

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Re: Unconditional Love [Re: Icelander]
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Acceptance just is recognition and what follows then is love (or not). Acceptance alone doesn't make love and is not replaceable by it as you see with my example.
Of course first one has to accept that one is suffering before helping him/her (or oneself) out. But helping out is the act of love, not that pure acceptance which came before.


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: Unconditional Love [Re: BlueCoyote]
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Helping someone may or may not be motivated by love, but it is certainly not love itself.  Love can exist without helping someone and helping someone can exist without love.

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Re: Unconditional Love [Re: Veritas]
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Hmmm paraphrase 'help' with 'doing good' in his/her/oneself's own sense.
As far as I see, all those acts are based on love. Conditional love :wink:

And yes, sometimes the best help is no help.


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: Unconditional Love [Re: BlueCoyote]
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Same thing, "doing good" may or may not be motivated by love.

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