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Re: Hate without love? [Re: ]
    #1778021 - 08/04/03 11:31 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

>> But my main point was that there is nothing wrong with hating if it is properly understood.

I'd have to disagree. Doesn't the act of hating simultaneously suggest a misunderstanding the situation? Hate, as far as I'm aware of it, is classically an irrational, somewhat ignorant emotion. There is nothing wrong with finding things distasteful, but hate is powerfully clouding, like anger. No?


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Re: Hate without love? [Re: Ped]
    #1778038 - 08/04/03 11:38 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

No.

If you read my preceding posts you will see that most of us misuse the word 'hate' and apply connotations as if they were the only ones to be had.

Hate means to detest or abhor.

Now, it may be comforting psychologically to say that we don't hate anything or fantasize about cruelty in such a way that we are comfortable with it. But that really isn't the case in the objective universe. (assuming one understands that)


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Re: Hate without love? [Re: ]
    #1778054 - 08/04/03 11:44 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

My apologies.  I joined in a little late, and I tend to skim threads. :smile:

There can't be anything wrong with trying to maintain a calm, accepting approach toward those things which make us the most apalled, though, can there?  Personally, I think the words "I hate this" or "I hate that" are an excercise in self-importance, and can't really be thought of as productive.


 


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Re: Hate without love? [Re: Ped]
    #1778081 - 08/04/03 11:53 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

No, you are right. The 'hate' I am speaking is a calm attitude towards things like cruelty and the acceptance that it deserves disdain and detestation.

You could be right about the last part but I use the word loosely in the sense that I am not pressured to conform to the cultural conditioning and so avoid it. One could also say there are negative reasons for avoiding using the word.


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Re: Hate without love? [Re: ]
    #1778090 - 08/04/03 11:58 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Then we agree.  That was a nice feeling, like a sharp note coming to tune with it's natural.  :smile:


 


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Re: Hate without love? [Re: Ped]
    #1778130 - 08/04/03 12:13 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Yes!  I feel the same way.  :smile:


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Re: Hate without love? [Re: ]
    #1779413 - 08/04/03 07:46 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

No human emotion can exist without its opposite. How could you ever love something without occasionally hating it for some reason or another? The contrast is extremely important.

Thats not to say that love cannot triumph over hate, or be in much greater abundance than hate, but you cant have one without the other.

What would Sherlock Holmes be without Moriarty? Coke without Pepsi? Feminists without men? Nothing. The opposites define each other like poles.

Humans are always dualistic. Love is hate and hate is love. Just like that whole shtick about marriage's most important factor being compromise.


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Re: Hate without love? [Re: ]
    #1780832 - 08/05/03 07:12 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I think, without there being hate in the world there cannot be love. This does not mean a person cannot love without hating. It means a person could not love if there was no hate and vice versa. On a level 4 shroom trip i once had i was flying through a field of emotions(only way i can explain it) and suddenly i stopped upon hate. Love was nowhere to be seen and hate lost its meaning. It was no longer bad it was no longer anything. Later in the trip i stopped on the part of the field wher i felt true love and bliss (or so it seemed!) but as soon as i lost sight of hate and forgot of it love was no longer good or pleasant it was boring. This is just what i have learned from my expierence and shrooming can be illusive so im not sure if my conclusions are correct.


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Re: Hate without love? [Re: ska8ball]
    #24325494 - 05/16/17 08:45 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I think a good question is

Can you Hate someone or something without loving them as well..

I'm talking like any percentages at all..

Can you hate a person..purely as 100% of your will?


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Re: Hate without love? [Re: Ped]
    #24325845 - 05/16/17 11:22 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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The Tibetan people, in their long, peaceful national existence, attained extraordinary success this way.  And as such, under Chinese occupation for the past 44 years, the Tibetan people still adhere to tolerance of the Chinese, compasssion for the Chinese, and above all, love and hope for all sentient beings.




completely disagree, the monk pictured below is expressing hateful contempt for all humanity, why? because of love.



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Re: Hate without love? [Re: Seuss]
    #24325865 - 05/16/17 11:37 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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If Adam and Eve loved God when they were still in the Garden of Eden, then I don't see what they could have hated there, before they ate the forbidden fruit.




their hate stems from restriction, they wanted absolute free will

problem is, freedom is the ability to do the wrong thing

their god told them to obey for their own good

but the power to do anything you want is intoxicating

in this case, their love of god made them pride filled

for they were of god, the almighty

the ego appears and deceives them into self love

they grow to hate god and his restrictions


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Re: Hate without love? [Re: nothing exists]
    #24325928 - 05/17/17 12:22 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Limitary's are functions..everyone has a function..and God is all Knowing!

So it's kind of like making a score..or settling one...indeed it is recent that neo has formula..and witness to the algebraic hypnogogryphery...Gregory McMillan..in and out of the case for Knight Hood..! Indeed it is a meaninglial bargain..


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Re: Hate without love? [Re: nothing exists]
    #24341981 - 05/23/17 12:45 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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The Tibetan people, in their long, peaceful national existence, attained extraordinary success this way.  And as such, under Chinese occupation for the past 44 years, the Tibetan people still adhere to tolerance of the Chinese, compasssion for the Chinese, and above all, love and hope for all sentient beings.




completely disagree, the monk pictured below is expressing hateful contempt for all humanity, why? because of love.







It's very possible Thích Quảng Đức protested the persecution of Buddhists without hatred in his heart.


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Re: Hate without love? [Re: Seuss]
    #25462483 - 09/15/18 03:39 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

I agree with this.

Hate comes from a personal individual place and so something that you believe causes you to hate it is actually a fault on your part and a fruit of your own bearing. Hate is just love misunderstood. When you fear something you move away from it, you neither hate or love it as to hate or love something is to move closer towards it. I see the opposite of hate as bravery or courage. It's the ability to face your own personal place rather than let it rule you.


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Re: Hate without love? [Re: Anonymous]
    #25463388 - 09/16/18 01:39 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

You are employing emotionally reactive terms. Buddhist Abhidharma psychology would rather speak to Attraction - Neutrality - Aversion in this regard, and I think this is far more instructive of how the mind works. I am a hypnotherapist for a long time and these categories are reflected by reactions towards hypnotic suggestions. Subjects only accept suggestions that they find attractive. Neutral and aversive suggestions will NOT be accepted. That is why, regardless of bogus news reports and the cop shows that take their story lines from the news, that nobody can be seduced because they were hypnotized, or against their will. If someone bangs their hypnotist it was because that suggestion was attractive. and had nothing to do with the trance state.

Also, love can be 'a state of being,' a noun, not merely a verb. The problem in English is that we have one word for love, whereas the ancient Greeks used 6 or 7 different words each with different meanings or types of love. In this meaning, love and hate are falsely juxtaposed. It's like a dualistic religion like Zoroastrianism with two equal and opposite metaphysical forces (Ahura Mazda and Ahriman, good and evil). It's where Star Wars got its dark and light sides of The Force from in a modern mythic idiom.


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