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OfflineAncientBeing
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Christian channel and shrooms
    #7555093 - 10/24/07 02:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I was clicking through channels yesterday and stopped on 43 (the Christian channel) to see a good interview about a native american talking about how he came to know Jesus.  He said that he was in Hawaii one night and hitchhiked with a couple people that witnessed to him.  The next night he ate too large a dose of shrooms with some of his buddy's and began to wig out.  He went through praying to every deity he knew for relief cause he really thought he was dying.  He finally remembered that the two people he met the night before told him to call out to Jesus to be saved and so he asked Jesus to save him from the shrooms.  He said instantly the paranoia of death went away and he stopped tripping.

Course I'd say proper use of shrooms is well approved by Jesus :smile:  I've personally had a similar experiences where Jesus was the only thought that kept my sanity while blasted on acid/shrooms.  I've prayed in tongues before with a friend while we were both high on soma muscle relaxers and the buzz the soma's went away and was replaced with the at peace feeling that accompanies prayer.


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Re: Christian channel and shrooms [Re: AncientBeing]
    #7555233 - 10/24/07 02:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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AncientBeing said:
He said that he was in Hawaii one night and hitchhiked with a couple people that witnessed to him.  The next night he ate too large a dose of shrooms with some of his buddy's and began to wig out.  He went through praying to every deity he knew for relief cause he really thought he was dying.  He finally remembered that the two people he met the night before told him to call out to Jesus to be saved and so he asked Jesus to save him from the shrooms.  He said instantly the paranoia of death went away and he stopped tripping.




Of course, the effects of this occuring had nothing to do with "Jesus", and certainly doesn't act as substantiation for such an existance, but simply the effects of reassuring oneself. Take any approach one wishes - tell yourself it is Jesus saving you, tell yourself that there is nothing to fear in death, simply relax and don't tell yourself anything, but don't associate the mental effects of creating for oneself a state of being through one's thought processes as substantiation for the reality of a phenomenon existing beyond the realm of one's own mind.

When some are faced with an experience of the immediacy of their death, they simply come to terms with the impermanence of their present existance, relinquishing their attachment to the form that they presently hold, and any subsequent tension or fear dissipates. Of course, some reassure themselves that death isn't actually death, through an adoption of preconceived beliefs handed down to them through others. If one is faced with death, and one believes that it isn't actually death, or rather that one's identity as one has come to find it is going to continue on, even though nothing beyond the fact that we desire to feel as much gives us the idea that we will, then I'm sure it will act as reassurance as well.

It is kind of like riding a roller coaster and closing your eyes before it drops straight to the ground, saying "I'm not actually riding this roller coaster, the sensory information my body is collecting is just an illusion, etc. etc. etc."... of course one's fear of the plummet will be alleviated if one conditions oneself to the point that the mind doesn't actually believe the present experience is happening. :smirk:

I personally find that surrendering myself to the actuality of the present experience is much more effective, as my existance subsequently becomes less transparent as that which I identify with is my experience of reality, the act of such subsequently allowing myself to know and to understand the nature of reality more clearly. Consider it like being a mirror, if you will. :wink:

We further seperate ourselves from reality by formulating all of these conclusions and perspectives that arise, not from the manners in which reality has presented itself to be, but rather our perceived need to feel comforted and reassured in the face of realizing the overwhelming mystery and unknown nature of reality.

There is no need for Jesus in order to alleviate our death anxiety if there is no death anxiety. Why should there be death anxiety? Death is real. Human beings die. Alleviating our fear of death, stemming from our attachment to life and our desire to be permanent, can either result from coming to terms with the reality of the matter, allowing the Unmitigated Light Of Reality to dissolve that which obstructs our experience of reality, or from assuring ourselves that the greatest unknown of a reality that exists almost entirely as unknown is actually known.

Reality, or delusion. :shrug:

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Course I'd say proper use of shrooms is well approved by Jesus :smile:




And who is Jesus? :confused:

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I've prayed in tongues before with a friend while we were both high on soma muscle relaxers and the buzz the soma's went away and was replaced with the at peace feeling that accompanies prayer.




Meditation. :smile:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

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Re: Christian channel and shrooms [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7559103 - 10/25/07 12:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I disagree.  The effects of the holy spirit are real.  I don't believe you have experienced the holy spirit as I and others have.  I pray that someday you do :smile:  I believe my tripping experiences are more enjoyable than people that have not accepted Jesus because the holy spirit is with me.  Call it meditation on thoughts of reassurance if you will.  It is reassurance in something real, otherwise praying to some other deity, etc would work, which it doesn't.

I find it very very difficult to fool my mind while tripping.  If I don't think about something reassuring that is real to me I would be much more paranoid (i am bipolar btw, makes tripping more intense for me i believe).  Jesus is real and reassuring to me because I have experienced him saving me from bad events and showing me amazingly good events accompanied by that unique feeling of peace only the holy spirit can give.


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Re: Christian channel and shrooms [Re: AncientBeing]
    #7559130 - 10/25/07 12:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Course I'd say proper use of shrooms is well approved by Jesus

I'll be looking down on you as you burn in Hell.:hellfire::nono: The Holy Spirit told me this.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Christian channel and shrooms [Re: AncientBeing]
    #7559178 - 10/25/07 01:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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AncientBeing said:
I disagree.  The effects of the holy spirit are real.  I don't believe you have experienced the holy spirit as I and others have.  I pray that someday you do :smile: 




You see? This is what I've mentioned before with the people who have found there own remedies and are under the self-aggrandizing impression that it is neccessary for everyone else.

Its like if I were to get appendicitis, have an appendectomy, and then suggest the surgery to anyone who tells me they've got a stomach-ache.

BTW, the "Holy Spirit®" didn't manifest itself. It was a compromise derived by a committee during the First Council of Nicea in 325 A.D. You see, even though Jesus is (I guess) a holy and undeniable figure, there were a lot of people who disagreed on who he was and how he was related to god(trademark pending several End of Days scenarios currently in progress). I'd imagine the committee spent a few days/weeks/months praying that each other would see the light before they came up with a compromise, and voila! The Holy Spirit® was created and affirmed through an abstract prepared by the council, often referred to as the Nicean Creed©.


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Re: Christian channel and shrooms [Re: AncientBeing]
    #7559194 - 10/25/07 01:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The holy spirit goes by different names in different cultures. Are you suggesting that no Buddhist has ever experienced the holy spirit?


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Re: Christian channel and shrooms [Re: Too Vanilla]
    #7559232 - 10/25/07 01:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You see? This is what I've mentioned before with the people who have found there own remedies and are under the self-aggrandizing impression that it is neccessary for everyone else.

I could not agree more with this statement.:thumbup: I hope and pray that everyone will come to this realization.:lol:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Christian channel and shrooms [Re: Icelander]
    #7559280 - 10/25/07 01:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Pray to whom?


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Re: Christian channel and shrooms [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7559306 - 10/25/07 01:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Guessing from his original post, he's praying to either this guy:



or his bastard kid.

I would have recommended:


Different strokes I gues.


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Re: Christian channel and shrooms [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7559329 - 10/25/07 01:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
Pray to whom?




:hellfire:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Christian channel and shrooms [Re: Icelander]
    #7559340 - 10/25/07 01:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

See? See his avatar?

Jesus wore fur, why can't J.Lo?


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Re: Christian channel and shrooms [Re: Too Vanilla]
    #7559365 - 10/25/07 02:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

That's proof that Jesus had a black girlfriend.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Christian channel and shrooms [Re: Icelander]
    #7559377 - 10/25/07 02:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Icelander said:
That's proof that Jesus had a black girlfriend.




:yourock:

you just took this thread to a whole new level.


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Re: Christian channel and shrooms [Re: Too Vanilla]
    #7559435 - 10/25/07 02:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

They have reserved a place in the lowest level of hell for me.(not god of course but the christians who post here:rofl2:) I hope to see my old friend Woody Allen again.:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Edited by Icelander (10/25/07 02:20 PM)


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