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Vegetarians, Tell me why?
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First let me state I am not vegetarian, I eat and enjoy meat regularly.

I'm curious as to the reasons and methods, most vegetarians will range from stances like being against cruelty to animals to attempting to live a healthy life. I eat meat but that's not to say I don't have certain issues with the subject, I believe all meat should be free range, organic and locally sourced yet the vast majority isn't. After watching some disturbing footage on kentuckyfriedcruelty I will not eat KFC until their animal treatment is corrected to acceptable levels (I realise however that this may be never).

The thing is I always hear people saying meat is murder, I don't agree with that. Meat is nature, eating meat is ours. If we weren't meant to eat meat our bodies wouldn't be built to process it or we wouldn't be predators surely? Vegetarianism based on ethics isn't enough for me to abandon the entire meat eating thing.

A policy I see sense in is not wasting fertile ground for grazing animals on when it could be put to better use growing fruit and vegetables. I'd like to say that though I eat meat, I believe that the animal should have a decent quality of living before it reaches my plate. This would mean decent living conditions and humane slaughtering practices. I don't want to slate anyones believes I just want to see the reasons that differ from my own. One progresses through life by challenging ones own assumptions, taking into consideration the assumptions of others and making rational, informed decisions. Input appreciated.

As an added note, I disagree with animal testing for cosmetic purposes but fully support legitimate medical testing.


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"There are only two states of being: Too much and not enough"

Isnt the war on drugs supposed to reduce harm? So far all i see are casualties.

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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: j3ckyl]
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I love eating meat but this girl I know who is vegetarian convinced me to watch a documentary on a slaughterhouse. I didnt eat meat for 2 weeks after that.


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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: TurntableJunky]
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read michael pollans "The omnivores dilemma". its about sustainable food and how the american govt has consistently driven the price of corn down and subsidized farming to remove foodcost from campaign issue, induce monoculture and made it economical to feed cows (which are made to process grass) on corn on huge finishing lots. its an interesing read

i just finished eating a cold meatloaf sandwhich btw


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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: j3ckyl]
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How well connected is your concept of meat with a living breathing animal? Would you eat meat if you were forced to slaughter the animal yourself? Knock it out with the back of an axe, cut through it's throat with a knife, hear it choke to death on it's own blood, hang it up to bleed, cut it's skin off, remove it's internal organs, it's genitals, it's limbs, calve it up, and then add it's meat to your favorite recipe?

In my experience, this process puts most westerners off eating that particular piece of meat. The connection is lost, and we're fine with it as long as someone else does the dirty work. Personally, I don't think that's entirely ethical.

I'm not a vegetarian by the way, although I'd say I eat a lot less meat then most. The other reason I eat less meat is because of ecological factors. Growing grain to feed animals to feed humans is a lot less efficient then growing grain to feed humans.

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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: Akamatsu]
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grain lacks the protein needed by the human body, legumes..with soybeans at something like 35% protein are good substitutes, but not a total replacement for meat.

I grew up on a farm where we slaughtered our own chickens, cattle, and sheep. Killing, cleaning and eating the animal is alright by me, and i have no problems doing so. I would think anybody that hunts or fishes probably feels the same.


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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: ilikeguitar]
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these animals that make up 99% of our meat sources consumed today have been domesticated for thousands of years by humans for one purpose.


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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: BIGSWANG]
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I don't have a problem with killing, I just prefer not to. I agree that the easiest way to source necessary nutrients is through meat, but I think our culture eats far too much of it. We've become gluttonous.

What are your thoughts on people who eat meat, but have never/refuse to slaughter their own meat?

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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: BIGSWANG]
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Some neat responses. I will admit my connection with meat is a little lop sided, I wouldn't personally slaughter an animal for food unless I had to in which case I wouldn't think twice about it. I say that because it's how our society and our economy work. I do fish though, would eat what I caught if I caught more :laugh:. I'd happily watch someone kill and prepare an animal for me to eat. I also find the notion of eating certain animals taboo and others wholly acceptable, Our senses on eating these things are skewed it seems. Cow=tasty, horse=taboo, Chicken=tasty, hamster=taboo, rabbit=tasty, rat=taboo, pig=tasty, people=taboo. But that is strictly limited to western culture apparently. So far the majority consensus appears to be based around the feelings of the animal. I eat meat yes, But I don't believe in animal cruelty or wasteful meat consumption (ie, killing a creature to only consume a small portion of it). I do believe that animals are entitled to a decent quality of life before being slaughter to benefit my quality of life and it shames me how animals are treated in many abbatoirs and meat suppliers. There is however a food chain and we appear to be at the top of it. How many vegetarian cave men do you think there were? That's not meant to be a dig in case anyone thinks that. This whole subject fascinates me. Conscience seems to be a major swaying factor.


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"There are only two states of being: Too much and not enough"

Isnt the war on drugs supposed to reduce harm? So far all i see are casualties.

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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: j3ckyl]
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I don't buy into any of the vegetarian anti-meat propaganda at all.

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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: j3ckyl]
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read the book Guns, Germs, and Steel by Jared Diamond

its a look into why societies left the hunter gatherer lifestyle to adopt food production in settlements, and why some cultures (eurasian/north african) developed these skills before anyone else. It also takes a look into why the europeans ended up being the explorers and conquerers in the world before other societies had a chance.

I think it will give you a good insight into why the world eats how and what it does today.


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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: Akamatsu]
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Akamatsu said:
I don't have a problem with killing, I just prefer not to.  I agree that the easiest way to source necessary nutrients is through meat, but I think our culture eats far too much of it.  We've become gluttonous.

What are your thoughts on people who eat meat, but have never/refuse to slaughter their own meat?


If you totally refuse to slaughter your own meat(in times of need) then i dont think those people should be breeding...

we are a result of peoples who did what it took to survive, if the survival mentality is all but lost in those people, there is no need for them to be in the gene pool :woot:


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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: j3ckyl]
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It seems that the majority of people i've met who are vegatarians or almost veges are on two stances. Either it's the way they kill the animal, or the simple fact that frying up some ground hamburger can be quite the disgusting site, if you really REALLY think about what's going on.
I'm damn near a chicken only kind of person, and that's strickly based on the fact that chicken is healthier, and just not as nasty when you're frying it up, at least to me. Those little bits of meat in chili's and shit... i love the taste, but i very much might not be eating beef (aside from a good steak, or any free food, cause come on) in my later years.
But the whole humane practice thing is good in principle, but it'll never happen, at least not in my lifetime. There's just too much demand, too many products, too many farms and not enough enforcers and people who really care to make any significant changes anytime too. Sucks, but that's how it is.


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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: Hrethic]
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I'm not a vegetarian but the best reason I can see for being one is so I wouldn't get revenge done to me.

"the boot of the human is crushing the snake's neck, but the snake's fangs are biting the heel of the boot"

or something like that


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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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j3ckyl,

Because you don't have to :wink:

It is normal and natural to eat meat, but in this day and time we are granted with the option of not having to inflict cruelty to survive.

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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: mushroomplume]
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And if you are vegetarian because you dont like animals being killed. They will be killed anyway and someone else will be eating them


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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: j3ckyl]
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j3ckyl said:
How many vegetarian cave men do you think there were? That's not meant to be a dig in case anyone thinks that. This whole subject fascinates me. Conscience seems to be a major swaying factor.


That's pretty easy to answer, before eating meat was a necessity. We ate a lot less of it, but we required it to survive. These days we have the option, the power, to choose not to.

Personally I think killing and eating are a part of the natural cycle. As long as the animals are grown in decent conditions, and the death is painless, then it is my belief that the relationship is beneficial for both parties. Having said that, I believe at least witnessing the slaughtering process take place first hand is beneficial to us, it gives us a greater appreciation of animals/nature (or something along those lines).

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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: TurntableJunky]
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Fast food seems to be the one commiting the worst animal cruelty attrocities and this would sway me severely away from it. I still eat meat however, for several reasons. I love the taste and I'm naturally swayed towards meat dishes. Given the option of a vegetarian dish and a meat dish i'll take the meat thanks. Something that always entertained me about vegetarianism was things like bacon flavoured quorn and steak flavoured soy protein, you don't want to kill animals but you're acknowledging that they are tasty :laugh:

I see that there are alternatives to cruelty, but like I said before I don't really see it that way. An animal that is killed in the wild and eaten by a predator is suffering the same fate than if I personally killed it, so where do we draw the line?

Akamatsu you are right, our methods of living have severed the connection between this:



and this:



something should be done to reinstate the association


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"There are only two states of being: Too much and not enough"

Isnt the war on drugs supposed to reduce harm? So far all i see are casualties.

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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: TurntableJunky]
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TurntableJunky said:
And if you are vegetarian because you dont like animals being killed. They will be killed anyway and someone else will be eating them


That's herd logic mister, the majority is made up of the individual. Take aways the individual and you no longer have the majority.

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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: j3ckyl]
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From what i've seen, most vegetarians or vegans have legit reasons on the surface but deep down just want to be part of something and feel as if they are making a difference in the world.


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