Phluck said:

did they force you to participate the lecture?
ofcourse she would tell you not to eat meat,lecture was about becoming a vegan right?

Uh, she's not talking about a lecture at school, she's talking about someone telling her specifically to stop eating meat.

i don't understand why you are so agressive about that?
maybe because you eat meat?
WE ARE WHAT WE EAT

Yeah, we're meat.

I'm proud to be a vegetarian.
and i also suggest people not to eat meat.

I'm proud to eat meat, and I suggest you do the same.

It thus experiences fear and releases into its system adrenalin and other chemicals from the endocrine glands which are not helpful for meditation

Thank you Ram Das, for completely making that up.

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1-i thought it was a lecture,so yeah its not good to insist on smthing,try to force someone.
2-what i was trying to say with 'WE ARE WHAT WE EAT' was what we eat affects the nature of the body cells and organs and the way they function.i didn't think that you would take that like Yeah, we're meat.

3-does eating meat makes you healthier,or helps you about your spiritual growth?why you are proud with eating animals?
4-well ram dass didn't make that up.there are several explanations about that issue.little search from internet you can find lotsa but sure you can find oposite of that explanations,that is internet.
what i learned from a lecture in university about vegetarianism from a ph.d. was what ram dass saying.

ahh by the way,
i saw your copy paste a few posts above,
charles darwin father of evolution theory believes that human kind is vegetarian,he was also a vegetarian.
so here is my scientifitic claim then..

Krishna said:

i've got nothing at all against eating free-range, ecological meat. personally i would never do it, because it takes like crap and murder rolled up into one greasy sausage. but to raise animals in a factory-like setting for mass-consumption - this is what i'm against.

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exactly

I would also like to add that consuming meat and fully participating in the suffering of sentient creatures is directly contrary to my spiritual beliefs and practice.

I would also like to add that meat-eaters lecture others about the greatness of eating meat just as much as the zealous vegans/vegetarians - if not more. Whenever I calmly mention that I do not eat, meat-eaters will nearly always tell me how much I am missing and how silly I am. Whenever someone tells me about how they eat meat (and knowing that I am a vegetarian), I normally pay no mind because diet is a personal choice. If the discussion goes further, I will discuss why I do not participate in the meat industry.

That said, meat eaters are often quite zealous and proselytizing; they are obviously upset that someone else lives their life differently - many of you do not realize how much you do this.

ummikko said:

Xochitl said:

Animal Liberation Front. They do great work - break into frivolous testing facilities and rescue the animals. The ALF network will then bring the animals to their own underground sanctuaries out in the sticks & take good care of them.

http://www.animalliberation.net

ELF is more about destruction. ALF is about rescuing and nuturing animals via direct action. Big difference. ALF does resort to property destruction on occasion, but they are far more discriminating then the ELF. The motivations are also different: ELF wants destruction of industrial society in general while ALF seeks to liberate puppies and other defenseless creatures from torture.





re: prostelyizing vegans: some vegans/vegetarians do try to convince others, but most dont. I never bother anyone because diet is a personal choice - I?ll debate only if in a debating situation.

peace

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I checked the page. These are exactly the kind of people who give animal rights activists a bad name. They also do MANY times more damage to animals and the ecosystem than they do good.

According to their own magazine, Bite Back, they have just released 1000 minks in sweden.

Well, MINKS ARE PREDATORS WHO DO NOT NATURALLY LIVE IN SWEDEN. THE SWEDISH ECOSYSTEM (or scandinavian ecosystem in general) CANNOT HANDLE 1000 MINKS RUNNING LOOSE, ESPECIALLY IN THE BEGINNING OF WATERFOWL AND OTHER BIRDS'S NESTING PERIODS. RELEASED MINKS HAVE CAUSED PERMANENT DAMAGE TO THE SCANDINAVIAN ECOSYSTEM ALREADY. WHEN RELEASED THEY WILL BREED EXPONENTIALLY AS THEY HAVE NO NATURAL ENEMIES HERE. MINKS HAVE ALREADY DRIVEN MANY BIRD SPECIES NEAR EXTINCTION, AND HAVE COMPLETELY ANNIHILATED OTHERS, SUCH AS Mustela lutreola IN FINLAND.

And no, this is not fur manufacturer propaganda. I spend most of my summers in the finnish archipelago where you can see mink damage in action.

I am 100% against fur growing. I have very green ideals, which is why
I will continue to shoot every wild mink I see, as I have done in the past.

Idiots who don't understand the consequences of their actions will always end up doing more harm than they do good.

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Why wouldn't meat help spiritual growth? Is there a strict set of rules/things that are the only ones that allow spiritual growth?

We can improve spiritually, only if we follow YOUR guidelines for morality?

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did they force you to participate the lecture?
ofcourse she would tell you not to eat meat,lecture was about becoming a vegan right?
i don't understand why you are so agressive about that?
maybe because you eat meat?
WE ARE WHAT WE EAT

i'm proud to be a vegetarian.
and i also suggest people not to eat meat.

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dude, this thread was over a year old.  I don't even remember where I had the conversation about meat. 

How was I being aggressive by being annoyed?  Was I hostile to the person?  Because that's what aggressive means...well, let me show you:

ag?gres?sive
adj.
Characterized by aggression: aggressive behavior.
Inclined to behave in an actively hostile fashion: an aggressive regime.
Assertive, bold, and energetic: an aggressive sales campaign.
Of or relating to an investment or approach to investing that seeks above-average returns by taking above-average risks.
Fast growing; tending to spread quickly and invade: an aggressive tumor.
Characterized by or inclined toward vigorous or intensive medical treatment: an aggressive approach to treating the infection.
Intense or harsh, as in color.

Um, no I wasn't aggressive or hostile to the person.  I especially take issue with your comment that I am "aggressive because I eat meat." 

In my situation, the vegan was the one who was aggressively interrupting my lunch. 

I don't understand how you can make such extreme leaps of logic like you did! 

So I have a question for you:

1. Do you truly believe only meat-eaters are aggressive?


Because that seems pretty illogical to me. 

People can eat whatever the fuck they want.  Different strokes for different folks.  I don't get off telling people what they should and shouldn't eat. 

My eating habits are MUCH different then they were a year ago.  I no longer eat beef...haven't had anything from a cow in over 7 months.  I now drink only Soy Milk.  I use turkey when a recipe calls for meat. 

For eating habits to truly changes, it takes more then a day and a lecture, Butterflydawn.

butterflydawn said:

firstly i'm sorry for getting your post wrongly ellemy.

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oops...just saw this! 

That's what happens when someone springs an old post up on me. 

butterflydawn said:

firstly i'm sorry for getting your post wrongly ellemy.

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BanJankri said:

Also as the dominant paradigm now is meat eating, you generally don't notice the pressures vegetarians face for their ethical choices.

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EllemyshShade said:

butterflydawn said:

firstly i'm sorry for getting your post wrongly ellemy.

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oops...just saw this! 

That's what happens when someone springs an old post up on me. 

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butterflydawn said:

butterflydawn said:

firstly i'm sorry for getting your post wrongly ellemy.

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gotcha... 

bi0 said:

Krishna said:

i've got nothing at all against eating free-range, ecological meat. personally i would never do it, because it takes like crap and murder rolled up into one greasy sausage. but to raise animals in a factory-like setting for mass-consumption - this is what i'm against.

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exactly

I would also like to add that consuming meat and fully participating in the suffering of sentient creatures is directly contrary to my spiritual beliefs and practice.

I would also like to add that meat-eaters lecture others about the greatness of eating meat just as much as the zealous vegans/vegetarians - if not more. Whenever I calmly mention that I do not eat, meat-eaters will nearly always tell me how much I am missing and how silly I am. Whenever someone tells me about how they eat meat (and knowing that I am a vegetarian), I normally pay no mind because diet is a personal choice. If the discussion goes further, I will discuss why I do not participate in the meat industry.

That said, meat eaters are often quite zealous and proselytizing; they are obviously upset that someone else lives their life differently - many of you do not realize how much you do this.

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