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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#7534932 - 10/19/07 11:10 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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no..im right
"A swollen stomach is indicative of kwashiorkor, malnutrition caused by protein deficiency. It often affects children when they are no longer fed milk and their new diet is lacking in protein. The protein deficiency causes fluids to drain from the blood into the stomach, causing the characteristic swelling (edema) which may also be present in the arms, legs, hands, feet, and faces. A lingering disease, these children tend to be lethargic. Although kwashiorkor may not kill, permanent injury is not uncommon–such as mental retardation."- http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/news/malnutrition/index.cfm
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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: BIGSWANG]
#7534949 - 10/19/07 11:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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hmmm. well i watched a program on the discovery channel that said many of those cases are also attributed to parasites. i never knew lack of protein could do that too. doesnt surprise me though, they dont eat much of anything.
vegetarians do not have to worry about that anyway. there is protein in every vegetable, fruit and legume you eat.
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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#7534959 - 10/19/07 11:20 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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yes...parasites also cause the poochy stomach
all im saying is if you eat lettuce all day..its not going to be enough protein to sustain or allow the growth of muscles....legumes have to be included in every meal, or a strict vitamin regiment needs to be followed
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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: BIGSWANG]
#7534965 - 10/19/07 11:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Legumes do not have to be included in every meal. This is out-dated thinking about protein. As long as you consume a variety of plant-based proteins on a weekly basis, you will obtain the essential amino acids your body requires to produce protein. Few vegans would follow an all-lettuce diet, and this would be indicative of an eating disorder, not a balanced vegan diet.
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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: Veritas]
#7534976 - 10/19/07 11:28 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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if you look further up in this thread..i already said that...a well balanced vegetarian diet is perfectly healthy
as is a well balanced diet including meats
strict vegans still must take vitamins for b12
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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: BIGSWANG]
#7534978 - 10/19/07 11:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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BIGSWANG said: yes...parasites also cause the poochy stomach
all im saying is if you eat lettuce all day..its not going to be enough protein to sustain or allow the growth of muscles....legumes have to be included in every meal, or a strict vitamin regiment needs to be followed
well yeah swang, i dont know any vegetarians who eat just lettuce lol. you have to eat a well balanced diet. thats part of what being a vegetarian is all about.
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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#7534989 - 10/19/07 11:32 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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yes..i pointed that out earlier in this thread...a well balanced vegetarian diet is just as healthy as a well balanced diet including meat
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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: BIGSWANG]
#7535056 - 10/19/07 11:46 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Actually, current research has shown that vegans can restore their beneficial intestinal bacteria & this bacteria will produce B12. Supplementation is necessary for those whose intestinal flora has been depleted by a meat and dairy based diet.
A diet including meat is not healthy, as study after study has shown.
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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: Veritas]
#7535070 - 10/19/07 11:49 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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show me a study that says a diet including 4 ounces of lean meat a day is unhealthy.....
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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: BIGSWANG]
#7535103 - 10/19/07 11:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Read my thread. I posted links to multiple studies.
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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: Veritas]
#7535111 - 10/19/07 11:58 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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and i can find plenty of studies that suggest that a well balanced diet is healthy

people have been eating meat for 400,000 years.....
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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: BIGSWANG]
#7535127 - 10/19/07 12:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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not one of your links say that eating a well balanced diet including meat is unhealthy btw
most of which .. just say adding lots of grains, and fruits is good for your health... duh..... but where does it say a well balanced diet including 4oz of meat a day is unhealthy.......
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Organic food exposed Issue 16 of Cosmos, August 2007 by Elizabeth Finkel
It’s a booming trend, driven by public perception that food produced minus pesticides and fertilisers is healthier and better for the planet. We examine the science to see if the evidence stacks up.
Clicky to read more. ---------> http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/1567
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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: BIGSWANG]
#7535240 - 10/19/07 12:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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BIGSWANG said: not one of your links say that eating a well balanced diet including meat is unhealthy btw
most of which .. just say adding lots of grains, and fruits is good for your health... duh..... but where does it say a well balanced diet including 4oz of meat a day is unhealthy.......
You must have missed this one:Seventh Day Adventist Study
Vegetarians in this study had a lower risk of both cancer and heart disease. Since Adventists generally follow a healthy lifestyle, and those who included meat (even as seldom as twice a week) had an increased risk of these lifestyle diseases, this implicates meat as the causative factor.
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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: Veritas]
#7535285 - 10/19/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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and heres a link to a healthy well balanced diet
http://www.homehealth-uk.com/medical/healthybalanceddiet.htm
it includes meat...
i dont deny the findings of that study you showed me....but i am skeptical...they are claiming that on average the adventist live 5 years longer then the average american...thats fine...americans are generally unhealthy...but what about the japanese...who practice the eating of meat...and have an average life expectancy of 82 years...they also have lower prostate cancer and heart disease rates...
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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: BIGSWANG]
#7535322 - 10/19/07 12:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's not a study, it's an article on a mainstream health website. Show me the studies upon which they have based their recommendations.
As for the Japanese, they are quickly losing their health "edge" as they adopt a Westernized diet. The traditional Japanese diet included VERY little meat, most often fish, and used soy products as the main protein source.
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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: Veritas]
#7535339 - 10/19/07 01:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: BIGSWANG]
#7535451 - 10/19/07 01:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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From your own link:
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Therefore, I advocate a plant-based (vegetable-based) diet that is either vegan or one that is near vegan with a small amount of animal products

Only one of these links contains research, the rest are opinion pieces. The only one that contains research citations is the source of the quote I posted above.
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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: Veritas]
#7535604 - 10/19/07 01:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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oops..i concede
i still think eating a well balanced diet including meat is fine
to each his own
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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: BIGSWANG]
#7535707 - 10/19/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Certainly a well-balanced diet with small quantities of meat is a HUGE improvement over the Western diet. I suppose it is just a matter of how healthy you want to be. After watching my family members grow ill and die on a meat-centered diet, I knew that something was wrong. When I began to examine the research, I simply couldn't deny the connections any longer.
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