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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: mushroomplume]
    #7530529 - 10/18/07 09:11 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

j3ckly,

hehe, you don't need to kill animals period. a meat based diet is actually worse for you compared to a vegetarian one.

as for bacon flavored tofu and shit, there's nothing wrong in admitting that cows and pigs tase awesome. I bet crystal meth is pretty fucking cool too, but I'm not picking up the pipe.


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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: Stizzle]
    #7530530 - 10/18/07 09:11 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I see your point, but I buy free range eggs and local farm raised meat because I believe that you have to be the change you want to see in the world. On my own it won't make a difference but it does to me, I know that I personally am not sponsoring unethical meat processing practices (to the best of my knowledge). This encourages others to act likewise.

oliveplume: True, true. I tip my hat to you.

Back in a minute: Frying a steak :smile:


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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: Stizzle]
    #7530533 - 10/18/07 09:12 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

That is probably why a FEW become vegetarians. I don't think it's legit to say most. Nobody I know really views vegetarians as making a difference in the world so I believe it's a more personal thing.


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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: mushroomplume]
    #7530534 - 10/18/07 09:13 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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j3ckly,

hehe, you don't need to kill animals period. a meat based diet is actually worse for you compared to a vegetarian one.

as for bacon flavored tofu and shit, there's nothing wrong in admitting that cows and pigs tase awesome. I bet crystal meth is pretty fucking cool too, but I'm not picking up the pipe.




can i get a link to where it says that vegetarian diet is more healthy then a well balanced diet including meats


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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: BIGSWANG]
    #7530547 - 10/18/07 09:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: j3ckyl]
    #7530549 - 10/18/07 09:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I grew up eating meat, I dig how it tastes, but after seeing my health decline by my late 20's, I decided to cut out red meat entirely and have gone months at a time over the past 4 years without it. Simply put, my body functions better. The way I feel, especially in the stomach area, my energy levels, etc. With the exception of fish, which I KNOW is meat, flesh really messes up my digestion process (if you can smell what I was cooking: ( But I only eat that after lifting days as a treat.

With all of that said, I had a piece of chicken a few weeks ago for the first time in almost a year, and just the other night I had a nice NY strip here at home, which was my first steak in 13 or so months. And it all tasted good. I've had a LOT of vegetarians, including my 6 year old daughter (veggie for 3+) years say that they're just sickened by the sight, smell, or whatever of meat, and I believe them. But it's never happened to me or my wife.

So our approach with flesh foods is the same as our approach to the rest of our diet, 80% or so is fresh and healthy to cleanse and nourish our bodies, and the rest is for good old fashioned fun. We certainly appreciate pizza and candy bars more now than we used to, but we also want them MUCH less. It's an interesting path.


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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: mushroomplume]
    #7530552 - 10/18/07 09:18 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: j3ckyl]
    #7530572 - 10/18/07 09:26 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I'm a vegetarian for a combination of the environmental reasons (as you mentioned, producing more food with the same amount of space and resources) and the fact that eating what was once a conscious animal just bothers me.

It's possible to live perfectly happily and healthily without destroying sentient life- my own preferences are not more important than the life of an animal.


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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: mushroomplume]
    #7530573 - 10/18/07 09:26 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

all it says is that it is better "than the traditional American diet"


"Is a vegan diet healthy? As with any diet, a vegan diet requires planning. However, when properly planned, a vegan diet can be considerably healthier than the traditional American diet."

what about a well balanced diet including meats..not the typical glutinous American diet

check out this link explaining what it does to child growth
http://www.diet-blog.com/archives/2005/02/22/vegan_diet_harms_children.php


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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: mushroomplume]
    #7530585 - 10/18/07 09:30 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

whattheheck: I'm curious as to what it is about red meat that caused you such discomfort, it's obviously some physical property of it. How about processed meat, same problem? I'm 20 and I'm eating a steak right now, smells great, looks great, tastes awesome but I can see why someone would be disgusted by it. My diet is out of whack, I'm not fat, not even close, but I don't eat much and what I do eat is mainly meat.

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Isnt the war on drugs supposed to reduce harm? So far all i see are casualties.


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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: j3ckyl]
    #7530594 - 10/18/07 09:34 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

also check this out....its meat eaters vs. vegetarian health

http://health.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=288483

turns out vegetarians with a well balanced diet that include cheese, egg, and other dairy products seem to be very healthy...as well as people who have a well balanced diet including meat

vegans and extreme meat eaters seem to have the worst health..


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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: Akamatsu]
    #7530597 - 10/18/07 09:36 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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How well connected is your concept of meat with a living breathing animal? Would you eat meat if you were forced to slaughter the animal yourself? Knock it out with the back of an axe, cut through it's throat with a knife, hear it choke to death on it's own blood, hang it up to bleed, cut it's skin off, remove it's internal organs, it's genitals, it's limbs, calve it up, and then add it's meat to your favorite recipe?





Why yes I would and I have too; Mmm, it is often delicious.


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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: j3ckyl]
    #7530599 - 10/18/07 09:37 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

BIGSWANG,

I am not going to disagree with you, it could very well turnout that a vegan diet is ultimately unhealthy. From what I have read and upon having knowing someone who gave birth while on a vegan diet, I think it is healthy.

Even if it was unhealthy, I would still do it for the ecological, ethical, and economical reasons as well.

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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: mushroomplume]
    #7530607 - 10/18/07 09:41 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i heard if you supplement you body with lots of vitamins, mainly b12 and something containing trace minerals you should stay relatively healthy as a vegan

also...if you dont have enough protein in your diet, your belly will pooch out like those Ethiopian kids


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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: BIGSWANG]
    #7530622 - 10/18/07 09:47 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I ain't a vegetable fan at all, I like some but I ease my guilty lack of eating veg with plenty of whole fruit smoothies. It does seem that a vegan lifestyle with supplements is perfectly workable, I'm curious to find what kinds of damage both a completely carnivorous diet causes and a totally vegan one would. anyone?


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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: j3ckyl]
    #7530644 - 10/18/07 09:54 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

all meat = high cholesterol - higher risk for things like prostate cancer, heart attacks, and strokes

all vegan = iron, b12, and calcium deficiency dependent on the vegans diet, protein can be an issue as well all this can cause anemia, weakness, and brittle and weak underdeveloped bones, also if this has started since child birth there are studies that suggest slow brain development....even mental retardation if the proper nutrients arent given to the baby while in the womb. all this can be handled with strict vitamin intake, taken every day in place of the 4 ounces of lean meat recommended for a healthy diet


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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: j3ckyl]
    #7530647 - 10/18/07 09:55 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Off the top of my head, I've read that meat a based diet is hard on the stomach and usually cuts about 5-10 years off your life.

Vegan diets when not done properly usually result in being sickly from lack of nutrients, proteins, vitamins, etc, etc...

*haha, the vegetables don't get any better once you become vegan, they still suck. :grin:


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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: mushroomplume]
    #7530696 - 10/18/07 10:10 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I eat a lot of meat. Frankly, I think it tastes good and since I work out rigorously 5 days a week my body craves the protein.

The high protein, low fat content of meat allows me a very low body fat percentage, which can add years to my life.


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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: mushroomplume]
    #7530717 - 10/18/07 10:18 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i've been vegan for 6/7 years and vegetarian for almost 12.
i stopped eating read meat in 8th or 9th grade for some weird reason. so i'd research and look up recipes and through out high school i eliminated all meat from my diet and eventually became vegan. and i can consider myself a 'freegan' now. which means i'm vegan but if its free[dumpstered, going to be wasted etc] i'll eat it too. i wont eat free meat because it'll prolly make me sick.
i've been asked the why question so many times. and for me its a combination of global/environmental, health and diet, political and animal cruelty, why i'm vegan.
someone said something about fast food, but as well as an environmental issue. millions of acres of rainforests are cut down just for live stock feed. creating flash floods and other consequences. it has effects on the peoples society in these places too.

i have never had and health problems because i know how to eat as a vegan, i know alot about nutrition for all diets. there are substitutes for basically anything that is in a meat diet... veganase, meatless rib, turkeys, sandwich meat, milk, eggs etc. some is a little more expensive than others , [but that because of mass production and preservatives added to 'regular foods'] but i can eat health on my budget of being broke. but i love love love cheese, cant help it. that and lots of candy.


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Re: Vegetarians, Tell me why? [Re: badchad]
    #7530723 - 10/18/07 10:20 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think I could possibly live a vegan lifestyle temporarily, it would really just be a challenge to myself just to see if I can (like when I quit drinking for 2 years). I am massively wary of how meat is treated and poorly treated meat (pre and post processing) can cause a veritable plethora of problems. Think its possible to live on smoothies and vitamin supplements or would I encounter difficulties?

For a healthy lifestyle though we all need to breathe deeper, drink more water and avoid aspartame and sodium benzoate like the plague. apparently.

I often find that it's cheaper to be unhealthy. Fast food is incredibly cheap and I think that's a major contributing factor. I avoid fast food as best I can but living a rigorously healthy lifestyle is expensive and time consuming, in a world of quick fixes and convenience, health is rarely the primary motivating factor in consumption for your average person it seems. I don't have the time or the money to be healthy, which is sad really. I do however become frustrated at parents who feed their kids nothing but beans, chips and sausages every night and I've known a few.


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Isnt the war on drugs supposed to reduce harm? So far all i see are casualties.


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