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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Trepiodos]
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if everyone had the clear choice of such love no one would reject it

are you preaching a message of exclusive salvation, with only a handful getting the love that everyone deserves equally?

It is because it is like this to me:
this heaven is unconditional irrefutable truth. It is gold. Anyone who has a monument of excrement and waste they worship would instantly flock to gold if even given the briefest taste of its glory... it doesn't matter if they are rulers of a world where excrement is the only currency, they would see the gold is so much better than what even they have, that they would gladly just be a peasant in a nation of gold than to be king in this wasteland........

this gold then, is "the holy spirit" and it is "Christ" but the connundrum is thusly, anyone that TRUELY BEARS WITNESS is forever changed, such as you claim to be..... the rest are NOT BEING SHOWN THE TRUTH for if they would the truth WOULD HUMBLE THEM it is inevitable... there is nothing in "hell" or on "earth" or in our imaginations that would even begin to compare to what heaven has to mean and therefore to just be given an appetizer would be all that is necessary for a person to be forever changed.

Think of it as computer programs. Someone is playing Doom 3 and you have a program that sends electricity into their brains causing them to be at one with psychedelic love until the point that all their defilements are cleansed away. If you ask them about it they may be like "pshhhh whatever" and play doom, but if you just plop it in for them they would be forever greatful that you took the time to MAKE SURE THAT THEY SAW THE TRUTH UNTIL THEY WERE SAVED BY IT, AND WERE PERSISTENT UNTIL THE END AND NEVER EVER EVER GAVE UP ON THEM

it is the fundamental difference between a parent who abandons their miscreant child versus one who does everything it takes, even laying their life on the line, to just do something...... anything..... who never gives up, and even loves the child unconditionally if it winds up in jail, and still sends the child love, and always will, even if the child is killed in jail..... even if no matter what...

so if this God has power, why does he let himself be shrouded by absolute nutty morons who are dogmatic and misleaded and DO NOT HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT and why does he let us be tricked into thinking that the Christianity is evil and abhorrently stupid and naive because of the fruits of its followers, only to let this broken dogma actually be the vehicle of truth, effectively blinding all rational people to the merits of Jesus because they see that people like Ghandi and Buddha were also Christ-like, and laid out better and more logical paths to follow

why does he let all these ideas of Lucifer spring up> Ideas such as you can have so much spiritual joy and truth and be at one with everything, but it will be a lie and then you will go to hell ? ???? It is very easy to see Christianity as dogmatic programming, it is very easy to see Jesus as messiah, but the dogma makes it all irrelevant....... one who wants the love of God in form of a personal deity would be better suited to follow the Hare Krishnas or worship a Boddhisattva or a Buddha than to be a Christian. This is because they are not in danger of daedly poisonous guilt ridden dogma if they follow other faiths which center around divine love represented by a figure, a deity...... so

does this Jesus really have monopoly over heaven, is he the only key? if so...,., why are his followers so blinded? I mean.... any story makes sense when you listen to it.

I can tell you how it is so that it is just a construct of "illuminati" and the Bible is a method of control, and I can tell you with great authority, even though I am kind of writing fiction, and how Buddhism is the ultimate way and many bodies of CHRIST exist on this planet who are healing people, sometimes healing them to be Christians and sometimes healing them to be atheists and sometimes healing them to be Buddhists and sometimes healing them to play a role in social change and sometimes doing all sorts of things

and it would be from personal experience

yet

I do not know

and when someone claims to KNOW

it is very dangerous

A lot of us would believe in Jesus if we simply had Jesus to believe in, rather than anit-Christ, hell, devil, and all the other gabrage infiltrating a message of love and peace, IMO. Who doesn't want someone that loves you enough to die for you...... ? Who doesn't want what is spoken of when "God's love is referenced" but it is either real or it isn't

I want my wings.
I want Jesus without dogma
I want pure ____________________
the ineffable love of "God"
the holy spirit

every person does IMO.


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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Demotriton said:
vigilant_mind said:
Demotriton said:
God does love ALL his children. Just not all his children WANT to be with him in heaven. For some people hell looks like heaven to them and that is why they go there. Just look at the posts people are putting here, right now they are not headed for heaven cause they don't want to go there. but God still loves you even if you don't choose him.


What if I don't want Heaven or Hell?


Being whats going to happen to the world, I don't know why you wouldn't want God's mercy. You might end up being tricked into choosing hell if you don't choose God. Sorry, God put us on this earth to choose, thats one of the reasons things are going to happen the way they will, to get people to choose one or the other. but thats something you need to decide for yourself. God has shown me heaven, its beyond description and is indescribably awesome. Pure Love is the greatest thing, love on earth doesn't even come the smallest fraction close to what Love is in heaven. It takes on a whole new meaning. Everyone is in Love with everyone else, everything is in harmony, we all share each others thoughts, feelings and experiences as if we are one but we are still separate some how (hard to describe) Everything is made of light & full of love, there is so much going on you could get lost standing still. God is beyond description in heaven, he has such great love, I can't even begin to describe. Jesus' love is pretty indescribable, God's just blows you away for all eternity. Its awesome, but I can see why some people don't choose it, I initially didn't choose it because I didn't want the intimacy that is with everyone in heaven, I wanted my own world all to myself, not so in heaven we share EVERYTHING. Not everyone is ready for heaven.


You act is if you know "God" and that He actually communicates with you.

You may want to read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_complex

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: vigilant_mind]
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Yes I do have a personal relationship with God through Christ Jesus. Yes he does speak to me & reveal many secrets to me. He wants to have a relationship with EVERYONE. Problem is not everyone WANTS a relationship with him. First you need to have faith that what Jesus did for us was real, you need to have FAITH that he loves us that much that he would die for us. You need to have faith that he is a God that wants us to love him. You need faith he is a God that will do anything for us he just asks that we love him with ALL our heart, which gets easier & easier the more you get to know him. God is humble, God is meek, God doesn't force his ways on anyone. He wants US to choose.

True some people that call themselves Christians present a false message of God. True there are those that think they are Christians that think they have faith. You know TRUE Christians by their LOVE. We grow in this love for God everyday. None of our love is perfect, but God's love IS, and that is the love we have FAITH in.

I know the world is messed up and seeing God's plan is difficult with all the deception the devil has going on. but God did give us freedom of choice, so everyday we have both sides (kingdom of light & kingdom of darkness) presented to us in all different kinds of forms in which it is up to US to distinguish & decide for ourselves.

You don't even have to go to church to find God, I didn't I found him after I skipped mass for the first time every on Christmas, and I didn't go to church much at all at the time. All you need to know is have FAITH in who he is, and seek him. KEEP seeking him for WHO he really is, don't give up persevere. Pray as often as you can seeking him. Think about him and what he has done for you, desire to to know him more.

Matthew 7:7
Keep on asking & it will be given to you, keep on seeking & you will find, & to every one knocking it will be opened.

Is Christianity the key to getting to heaven? Does one have to go through Jesus? From my own personal experience, I seeked the truth, the Virgin Mary spoke to me and said God was the Truth. Began speaking to God our Father & he led me to Jesus & said it is because of him you are saved. I have FAITH that I know God & speak to him, the more I believe the more he reveals himself to me.

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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You keep asserting man has a "free will" and of his own power can make spiritual acts pleasing to God. You have completely erased the fact that man is in bondage to sin and Satan and is so lost that he can not even see his own blindness and is unable to understand spiritual truth. The doctrine of original sin has been eliminated in your theology.

I have repeated stated your "gospel" is salvation by works but you can not see this. I have posted scripture yet you never answer it. Why? A child of God would be glad to answer to scripture. You have subverted the Word of God by the doctrines created in your mind and deceptive spirits. Your notions of who you think God should be (not who He actually is) will not permit you to understand what the Bible is saying. For example the doctrine of predestination does not fit in with your God construct, so you must make pretend it doesn't exist. Are you following His commands by not believing His Word? I hope the truth of the TRUE gospel may shine into your heart.


Who's will is it that saves a sinner? It is God's will, not man's will.

Jas 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

Ro 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

John 1:12-13 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

1Co 3:7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

Eph 1:4-6 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

2Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: fivepointer]
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So which one of you has the right interpretation? :confused:


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"Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Basilides]
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Dennis Kucinich has the right interpretation. :thumbup:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: fireworks_god]
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I now see what you are talking about fivepointer. Your right we have absolutely no choice what so ever. It's all God. I am still learning on how to do what God is trying to tell me what to do as part of HIS grand master plan. I wouldn't be here be saved or anything if it weren't for ALL his great works. He DOES have ONE thing he wants me to do. TELL other that these are the LAST days. That I am 100% sure of. The rest, or if there is more he wants me to do, I am not so sure. God has told me a lot of things that are very hard to explain. I did a terrible job in trying to explain them without scripture to back it up. My intention was not to mislead people, but rather my sense of stupidity caused it to come out all wrong, and God has shown me that. He often says, better to fail now then later, for later it will be the real thing. I do have the holy spirit, and have had many incredible experiences with God. From now on I'll stick with the simple truths I do know, Mostly that these are the LAST DAYS!! The tribulation is coming VERY soon. God says I am one of the very last warning WHEN he sends me out, he hasn't sent me out yet, but did tell me to come here.

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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Demotriton said:
I now see what you are talking about fivepointer. Your right we have absolutely no choice what so ever. It's all God. I am still learning on how to do what God is trying to tell me what to do as part of HIS grand master plan. I wouldn't be here be saved or anything if it weren't for ALL his great works. He DOES have ONE thing he wants me to do. TELL other that these are the LAST days. That I am 100% sure of. The rest, or if there is more he wants me to do, I am not so sure. God has told me a lot of things that are very hard to explain. I did a terrible job in trying to explain them without scripture to back it up. My intention was not to mislead people, but rather my sense of stupidity caused it to come out all wrong, and God has shown me that. He often says, better to fail now then later, for later it will be the real thing. I do have the holy spirit, and have had many incredible experiences with God. From now on I'll stick with the simple truths I do know, Mostly that these are the LAST DAYS!! The tribulation is coming VERY soon. God says I am one of the very last warning WHEN he sends me out, he hasn't sent me out yet, but did tell me to come here.


So, what do you do when you're not on the Shroomery spilling out your "Knowledge of God?" It seems that your "Divine role" has taken over your life.

I assume you have a job. Do you go around work speaking like this to other people? Or maybe you're a pastor?

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: vigilant_mind]
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I have a job for now. God hasn't asked me to quit my job yet. I don't think I will be on here for long now. God has once again reminded me of "the Big Secret" he keeps reminding me of in so many ways. He first gave me Revelations of it in my head, then showed me where it was in the Old Testament, now in the New Testament. It seems with this knowledge, I have awakened to the realization of the only reason I am here on earth for. No more forgetting who I am & remembering who I used to be.

Edited by Demotriton (03/26/07 01:33 AM)

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: vigilant_mind]
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It is not for us to speculate on such matters when he has not presented them for discussion. It sounds like an exchange best kept in private messages.


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: fireworks_god]
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"the big secret"...?? Care to elaborate?? I thought I had the secret.


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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: backfromthedead]
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You might know what I call "The Big Secret". I don't like to describe it since its hard to describe, don't want any misunderstandings. Its in the bible, the holy spirit revealed it to me, probably did to you too, as the spirit has to others on here.

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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God has revealed even more to me today. It seems there are a lot of people posting on this site that have "access" to the spiritual realm, whatever you call it, holy spirit, dream time, Spirit world, etc. I have a lot of questions and ideas I would like to discuss.

1. Who on here knows what I am talking about? How many of "Us" are there?

2. What are your experiences like? How did you come to have this gift?

3. How has this effected your life?

4. Know anything about what I will call the "Big Secret"?

5. Contact any beings?

Please if you have any idea what I am talking about please answer!

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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Demotriton said:
1. Who on here knows what I am talking about? How many of "Us" are there?


My take on it: You're having experiences which many of us here have had, but you've been having difficulty integrating it. I've had my share of mystical and even prophetic experiences, but I also realize that the revelations I've had are mainly meant meant for me, not the masses. Thus, I do not go around preaching my message to everyone.

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2. What are your experiences like? How did you come to have this gift?


My experiences are mine alone, and needn't be discussed in a public forum.

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3. How has this effected your life?


It's sparked my interest in seeking out similar experiences, and thus has led me on the path of an initiate.

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4. Know anything about what I will call the "Big Secret"?


Youre Big Secret is for you alone. We all can have the Big Secret revealed differently to us individually according to our capacity to understand it.

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5. Contact any beings?


Not so much "beings," but rather "Being."


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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Silversoul]
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I know exactly what you are talking about. I know exactly how you feel. I know exactly what you are going through. Of course not on a personal level, on a metaphysical level. That's why it is amusing I assume for us on this thread to poke and prod at your ego structure. Try not to give so much presidence to your inner experience. It is very important, but balance is also. Stratling the divide is where it's at. Try and have your inner experience reflect more than just your particular beliefs. This presents a problem becuase you live in your beliefs for now. So... What can dissolve the beliefs?? What can fuel the creation of new beliefs?? Avoid a 'dark night' and keep one hand on the wall lest you be put into the wall. My 'big secret' is in my hand. The proof is in the pudding and its not tapioca.


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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: backfromthedead]
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Lrt me just say its GREAT to find others to talk about this stuff.

I understand what you are talking about, that is why I am so thankful I have Jesus to show me the way. I would be completely lost without him. He only shows me what I need to know, he doesn't show me everything since he doesn't want to confuse me. I let him have the reigns in this department and try to give him more of me everyday.

Its amazing how the things he showed me in my childhood made no sense to me at the time, and now make perfect sense. He knew better than me, I had to wait for the right time to know these things and reveal them. My experiences were like pieces of a puzzle scattered throughout my life, I forgot them, and now Jesus is reminding me of all of them, and putting them together for me.

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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That my friend is good. I would just be careful throwing around the... "Jesus told me/God told me... Holy Spirit..." Type stuff. I know this is the context in which you learned to relate to the phenomena, but it just carries the Schizo signature with it. Hence the, 'go visit the psych ward posts'. Terrence Mckenna was very cleaver when he chose to describe the experience as alien communication. He knew that the believers were so off base that the Truth would never be tolerated by mainstream religion. The goal is to introduce the new doctrine. How can we reintroduce the truth?? How can you retell the story and incorporate what has been missing??


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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: backfromthedead]
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I agree, backfromthedead. Perhaps when introducing your ideas in public, Demotritron, you should attach a more secular, generalized set of terms to your beliefs rather than "Jesus" and "God." That way you won't confuse people and/or cause an uproar.

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: vigilant_mind]
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It's weird since I've been posting about God on here he has been revealing more of who is really is. The bible just opened up in a big way, again for me. Its a new book again, for me. Let me put it this way, I THOUGHT I had faith in who Jesus really was, but a greater understanding of Scripture by casting aside mens misinterpretations of scripture and just listening to the spirit and LETTING HIM and only him show me, I have come to a much greater faith and knowledge of the truth. The bible has become a key to the cosmos, a window into the mind & heart of God. Only the creator of the universe could of written it as the cosmos agrees with it. To deny the bible as truth is to deny the word of God. The depth of the meaning of scripture is so great, even with insight from the spirit it is difficult for my mind to grasp such a concept. Understanding & having faith in parts and pieces of the bible helps to understand & have faith in the bigger parts and truths about God. God loves us so much, I thought I believed until I was shown a deeper meaning, I now totally see why the devil is trying to confuse people about who God really is and who he became. Nothing shows God's love more for us than what HE did to prove it to us, if only we believed we would understand that Jesus is God. Jesus revealed himself the way he did because he knew it would be hard for us to except this truth. The picture is four dimensional, the spirit popped the bible out for me again. The way in which he described it tells a lot more about who God is. I can't possible describe this accurately right now as I just found out today, before I thought I believed now I do believe, the bible, working with the spirit and the world around me PROVED it.

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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You should share some of your insights.


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