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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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InvisibleMystikMushroom
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The reality and consciousness link...
    #5955293 - 08/11/06 11:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I'd like to open a dialogue for the discussion of the interaction between consciousness and reality.  :laugh:

For the sake of simplicity, all of my subsequent posts will refer to the two words "reality" and "consciousness" using these two personal definitions. Feel free to suggest and use your own to make your point easier to grasp!

Consciousness: The awareness of "being aware"

Reality: That which is noted as being "there" by the sensory organs of the human 3-D body.

So, with that out of the way--which came first, reality or consciousness? Was awareness the catalyst that forged the very first and most rudimentary foundations of "reality"? Or was it the other way around?

Could a place exist that can be perceived by a "yet-to-be-developed" awareness? Does reality give BIRTH to awareness and thus consciousness?

This is very much like the chicken and the egg in my mind. I go in circles and circles with this one.  :crazy2:

Does anyone have any thoughts about any of this? I think this could really get interesting pretty quick with all the different perspectives on here! :thumbup:


Edited by MystikMushroom (08/11/06 11:27 PM)


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InvisibleMystikMushroom
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Re: The reality and consciousness link... [Re: MystikMushroom]
    #5956609 - 08/12/06 01:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Huh, sorry this isn't deep enough to spark any replies...sheesh.


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Re: The reality and consciousness link... [Re: MystikMushroom]
    #5956650 - 08/12/06 01:48 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Awareness never goes away. It transcends this plane of reality. "Reality" comes and goes. Awareness never comes and goes, it can't.


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Re: The reality and consciousness link... [Re: thatiAM]
    #5956709 - 08/12/06 02:05 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I wasn't aware that I was aware before I was born.

Though awareness, like everything else in reality, is never born and never dies, it transforms.


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Re: The reality and consciousness link... [Re: MystikMushroom]
    #5956724 - 08/12/06 02:11 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"The most fundamental phenomenon in the universe is relationship."

Everything that is happening in the universe represents some relationship that existence has formed with itself. You cannot have an up without a down, an on without an off, dark without light, or life without death. So existence as we experience it, or reality, is always constructed out of complementary aspects of existence, or opposites. This is basic and can hardly be disputed.

To ask which came first, the chicken or the egg? This can easily be answered, and explains why you go in circles. The answer is neither/both. The chicken can only exist in relation to egg, because the egg is the source of the chicken. Whereas the egg can only exist in relation to the chicken, because the chicken is the source of the egg.

Here can only exist with a there. This must always be taken into consideration when examining the nature of reality.

So what is the link between reality and consciousness? You define consciousness as aware of being aware. Perhaps you could elaborate more on what you mean by that.


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InvisibleMystikMushroom
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Re: The reality and consciousness link... [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #5960112 - 08/13/06 06:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I have a question...

If we/us/it/that are all part of the sameness...then can't we just go and do whatever the hell we want and not "really have to worry about it"..?

Because in the end everything is all? And whatever we decide to do (murder 50 people and rot in jail) is an experience the one-ness desires to have at this "time/place" that we might call "our life"...?

So the life I'm living was initially setup by a higher level of my own awareness (which is consciousness) and whatever choices I decide or choose are really already decided on a long-term (to my ordinary concept of time) by the higher dimensional being that is also me. It's as if a blood cell that dies early..well at some level the "one" had decided it's fate. . .

So even the choices we think we "make" are ultimately and fractaly (to infinity) integrated and pre-determined/post-determined before we even get there?

So why worry about any consequence? It's all "part of the experience" of the ONE.


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Re: The reality and consciousness link... [Re: MystikMushroom]
    #5960132 - 08/13/06 06:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

So why worry about any consequence? It's all "part of the experience" of the ONE

Ultimately that may be true. The question remains, is murder and mayhem a path you wish to follow. :wink:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Edited by Icelander (08/13/06 06:32 PM)


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Re: The reality and consciousness link... [Re: MystikMushroom]
    #5960138 - 08/13/06 06:34 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

To act selfishly is to act from ignorance. If you have done away with ignorance, then you no longer act selfishly. Murdering 50 people is hardly a selfless act.

(Note: acting selflessly is not an ascetic life. It involves not indulging in more than you need and not depriving yourself of what you do need. But it doesn't mean depriving yourself of certain comforts either. For instance, if I were to go into a room and could choose whether to sit in a hard wooden chair or a comfortable chair with cushions, I would choose the chair with cushions. But if no such comfortable chair were available, I wouldn't complain or become annoyed).


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Re: The reality and consciousness link... [Re: MystikMushroom]
    #5960316 - 08/13/06 07:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"Consciousness is the I, in 'realities'!"
-Unknown :P


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Re: The reality and consciousness link... [Re: thatiAM]
    #5960347 - 08/13/06 08:02 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

thatiAM said:
Awareness never goes away.  It transcends this plane of reality.  "Reality" comes and goes.  Awareness never comes and goes, it can't.




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Re: The reality and consciousness link... [Re: Gomp]
    #5960413 - 08/13/06 08:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I think its important that philosophical and spiritually inspired people should be able to conceptualize dimensions beyond three, I could understand why those who shy away from such complicated concepts

I'd like to also add that [string theory] I think is a poor visual model of dimensions beyond three, it seems to me their trying to bypass the visual scape of dimensions with an animated presentation that gives one an idea by using strings or folding of paper, to me thats not a true representation, although it highlights some ideas and expands ones conceptualization of dimensions beyond 3, ultimately I think the model is misleading

the truth of the matter to visualize the five and sixth dimensions is very complicating, and takes a trained mind with visualization skills to get an idea of the 5 and 6 dimension, to imagine the 5 is like imaging this 3-D space being virtually carved through, its impossible to even model it visually and takes a mind beyond most peoples to even conceptualize it, but it exists, because its been proven by math,

but once people realize that their are more dimensions beyond human conception then questions like 'what came first the chicken or the egg' is not so much of a mystery, or how did existence appear out of nothing, these types of questions can be reasoned by dimensional analysis


Edited by capliberty (08/13/06 08:27 PM)


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Re: The reality and consciousness link... [Re: capliberty]
    #5960620 - 08/13/06 09:23 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i concur.

A doesn't always connect to B.

sometimes C connects to both A and B.

:mushroom2:

think outside the box.


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