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(Human) Consciousness
    #2204597 - 12/27/03 09:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

One of the greater subjects of my thought as of late.

What is Human Consciousness?

Is it simply the most advanced form of something which exists throughout the Living World? Or is it something specific to and existing only in Humans?

Does consciousness reside only in the brain?

Is consciousness merely the sum of physical processes which have developed over millennia of biological evolution?

Are we all, at our most basic level, simply automatons? Machines, however mind-boggling the complexity, designed to interpret the world around us?

Or is consciousness something "more"...something which exists independently of human physical existence?

I will provide my current thoughts on these questions below...


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Re: (Human) Consciousness [Re: trendal]
    #2204622 - 12/27/03 09:46 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

What is Human Consciousness?
Most obviously (to me, anyway) it is the experience of waking life.

Is it simply the most advanced form of something which exists throughout the Living World? Or is it something specific to and existing only in Humans?
Although I am not entirely certain, I think that consciousness does exist in some form throughout all Life. My cat, while obviously not as "fully conscious" as I am, does seem to exhibit some of the traits of (human) consciousness. This would lead me to believe that we are not the only conscious beings...only that our consciousness is, perhaps, much more evolved.

Does consciousness reside only in the brain?
This probably depends mostly on what exactly consciousness is - if it is simply the net result of the brain's electrochemical (and possibly even quantum-mechanical) processes then yes, it does reside only in the brain.

Is consciousness merely the sum of physical processes which have developed over millennia of biological evolution?
Looking at other life, I would tend to think that yes...human consciousness has simply evolved along with biological complexity.

Are we all, at our most basic level, simply automatons? Machines, however mind-boggling the complexity, designed to interpret the world around us?
I tend to think that no, we are not simply automatons. Free-will may not truely exist...but the existence of the internal experience (completely aside from objective reality) leads me to think that we are more than complex machines.

Or is consciousness something "more"...something which exists independently of human physical existence?
Again, I suppose this depends almost entirely upon what consciousness is. It may be that our consciousness is involving many quantum-mechanical effects. If this is the case, there certainly exists the possibility that consciousness is not confined to the brain/body and that it "bleeds" out into external quantum reality (possibly through quantum entanglement). Research groups such as PEAR (http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/) have shown that mind-machine communication may very well occur and that it is consciously controllable. Where, then, does our individual consciousness end and "everything else" begin?

Bringing quantum-mechanics into the discussion of consciousness opens up all kinds of doors, in my opinion. If our consciousness is based in quantum-level effects then I see no reason why other highly-structured quantum systems should not be considered to have a form of consciousness of their own. If this is the case, it may be that all matter contains it's own consciousness - with the "level" of consciousness being roughly equal to the level of quantum complexity in the system.


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Re: (Human) Consciousness [Re: trendal]
    #2204640 - 12/27/03 09:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Does consciousness reside only in the brain?




There was a feature in a reader's digest on life after death. They sited several cases of patients who had undergone surgery under a general anesthesia. One man had heart surgery, and during his recovery stay the surgeon went to visit him with the results. The patient recognized the surgeon and was able to describe the surgery process, even though he was under from the anesthetics. This and many other cases have led some to speculate tha consciousness doesn not reside soley in the brain.


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Re: (Human) Consciousness [Re: trendal]
    #2204657 - 12/27/03 10:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Counciousness could very well just be a product of the electromagnetic field in this planet. After all conciousness is really just electrical ions traveling from your eyes, skin, ears, nose and tounge to your brain. i think the most intresting question is how our individual conciousness are connected.


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Re: (Human) Consciousness [Re: Spokesman]
    #2204671 - 12/27/03 10:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

After all conciousness is really just electrical ions traveling from your eyes, skin, ears, nose and tounge to your brain.

This, I am not so sure of. I would consider that to be sensory experience. There is also internal experience which does not require sensory input to exist or function. I can think about things which there is no external physical model for (and hence cannot be experienced through sensory input).

I would define consciousness as that which experiences sensory input, not the sensory input itself. There does seem to be an abstraction between the two.


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Re: (Human) Consciousness [Re: Spokesman]
    #2204680 - 12/27/03 10:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Interesting that Trendal started this thread about consciousness and Spokesman talks about the electromagnetic field. Also ties in with Swami's "Artificial Intelligence" thread. This was the first article I pulled up:

How Does Human Consciousness Work?
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Electromagnetic Field Generator?

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Sep. 11 ? A British geneticist has proposed a theory, which is gaining ground, as to why humans are conscious and aware.

If proven correct, the theory not only would explain one of science's greatest mysteries, the "hard problem" of awareness, but it may also, in future, allow for the development of artificially intelligent, conscious computers.

In a paper published in the latest issue of the Journal of Consciousness Studies, awareness is said to be generated by the brain's electromagnetic field, which is a product of the over 100 billion electrically active neurons in the brain.

The activity of individual neurons can result in unconscious actions, like breathing and eye blinking, but collective, synchronous neuron firings, according to the report, produce an electromagnetic field and the state of human awareness.
Johnjoe McFadden, professor of molecular genetics at the University of Surrey and author of the paper, first came up with the idea while writing the book "Quantum Evolution," published earlier this year. He became convinced that "consciousness was some kind of field that bound our thoughts." But without quantum states in the brain, he wondered where the field could be.

"An obvious possibility was the brain's own electromagnetic field, generated by neurons and able to influence neuron firing," McFadden explained to Discovery News, "so I started to examine the proposition that the brain's electromagnetic field is consciousness and became convinced."

He added that human consciousness is awareness that can communicate complex information with a sense of self-referral. It goes beyond self-awareness, which, he said, could be the state many animals are in.

For humans, he believes that information taken in from the outside world through our senses passes through the brain's electromagnetic field to neurons in the brain and then back again to the field, creating a self-referring loop that could be the key to consciousness.

If, as McFadden suggests, consciousness is a component of the brain's electromagnetic field, it would then likely be possible to reconstruct artificial systems duplicating the process, i.e., computers with a conscious.

Roy E. John, a professor in the School of Medicine and Psychiatry at New York University who has developed a similar theory concerning human awareness, suggested that AI enthusiasts not hold their breath because "a whole new technology would be necessary."

Bruce MacLennan, associate professor of computer science at the University of Tennessee and an expert in field computation, said McFadden's theory is "very interesting and thought-provoking." He agrees that conscious computers may be possible, but not in the near future.

"I cannot exaggerate how far we are from being able to construct a robot with the real-world cognitive capacities of a simple mammal, let alone a human," said MacLennan. "We are even further from being able to make a principled claim that any artificial system is conscious. We have so much more to learn."

http://www.xpsn.com/Search/powersearch.a...20consciousness


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Re: (Human) Consciousness [Re: Frog]
    #2204694 - 12/27/03 10:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hmm. A couple thoughts after reading that (thanks, Frog!):

If consciousness is the result of the net EM field of the brain's neurons...then is any EM field "conscious" in it's own form/way?

Also, the EM field does not stop at the boundaries of the brain. As our entire body works using electrical impulse (to some degree) I would suggest that consciousness exists throughout the entire body...although perhaps it is concentrated into self-awareness in the brain specifically.


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Re: (Human) Consciousness [Re: trendal]
    #2204699 - 12/27/03 10:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Holy phluck! I found this link:

http://www.xpsn.com/Search/powersearch.a...20consciousness

I think it's "everything you ever wanted to know about consciousness".

Wish I could summarize, but I'll be reading it, because now I'm interested.

Thank you, Trendal.


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Re: (Human) Consciousness [Re: trendal]
    #2204715 - 12/27/03 10:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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If consciousness is the result of the net EM field of the brain's neurons...then is any EM field "conscious" in it's own form/way?So perhaps consciousness operates based on the absorption of information somehow within an electromagnetic field,

Also, the EM field does not stop at the boundaries of the brain. As our entire body works using electrical impulse (to some degree) I would suggest that consciousness exists throughout the entire body...although perhaps it is concentrated into self-awareness in the brain specifically.



Here's my thoughts on this. I read a book once called "The Field". I read through Chapter 5, and now it looks like I will have to read the rest.

Everything is made of atoms and molecules. These atoms and molecules are exchanging energy with each other. You may think you are seeing an "empty" room, but let's say you had on special glasses, like infra-red glasses, that could see what was really going on.

What you would be seeing is an extremely busy room where the furniture and walls and people are all emiting energy and absorbing energy from each other.

The brain's electromagnetic waves operate at a certain hertz, depending on the activity, but all brain activity is a form of consciousness, right? If the brain is emitting energy, and that energy contains the consciousness of the brains thoughts and perceptions, etc., then wouldn't that information be exchanged with other electromagnetic fields, or atoms, or molecules?

Is all consciousness "hanging" out there, in the "empty" areas, perhaps filling space, causing us to share thoughts with each other, depending on the hertz at which our brains electromagnetic waves cycle?

Meditation would put us in touch with the collective consciousness of the Universe, wouldn't it? Because your brain waves, to do this, would have to be operating at about 7.8 hertz. It's probably why psychics can pick up on things.


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Re: (Human) Consciousness [Re: trendal]
    #2204735 - 12/27/03 10:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

What is Human Consciousness?

In its purest form, awareness.. a beacon of light energy that observes and interacts, with the intention of gaining wisdom through experience.

Is it simply the most advanced form of something which exists throughout the Living World? Or is it something specific to and existing only in Humans?

Consciousness is the rhythm and always evolving eye of the universe, manifesting in many forms, physical and non. Each layer of consciousness is essential to the collective product, from the elements and minerals through plants, animals and humans.

Does consciousness reside only in the brain?

Throughout physical life, consciousness resides mostly in the brain. However, a fragmentation occurs in this density which compartmentalizes our consciousness into separate entities. Manifesting of course as conscious mind, subconscious, and unconscious. There are other levels of consciousness that we are connected to, outside of the brain, but for the most part, unaware of in material life. Consciousness itself is boundless in that it can perceive in many different realities simultaneously. The 'higher self' is thought to reside in densities many levels above the current anchor, and is connected to the 'original source', or divine consciousness.

Is consciousness merely the sum of physical processes which have developed over millennia of biological evolution?

In a way of speaking, yes.. but there are perhaps many different aspects of it that are as of yet uncovered by current perceptions. Future developments in consciousness may yeild more definitave answers. But from a certain perspective, consciousness is an eternal energy that began from nothingness as a simple idea, and throughout time developed experience through evolution. One could say that consciousness is dependent on evolution to exist, but is not exactly the product of evolution either. Chicken or the egg...

Are we all, at our most basic level, simply automatons? Machines, however mind-boggling the complexity, designed to interpret the world around us?

The human body and mind, can be perceived as a type of machine.. a biological, extremely complex and fantastically designed, machine. But for all of its limitations, is designed for consciousness to experience, interact with, learn from, and interpret the physical world around us, as efficiently as possible. It is an evolution vehicle. It must be noted, that the body exists as a vehicle, while the mind exists as a computer or processor for physical reality. Consciousness is the energy behind it all, absorbing and learning from it.

Or is consciousness something "more"...something which exists independently of human physical existence?

Indeed, consciousness exists quite well, independantly from the human body. With consciousness comes a trail of past experience and wisdom. It is an eternal life energy with free will and the desire to evolve. One could even say that consciousness is the soul.


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Re: (Human) Consciousness [Re: Frog]
    #2204747 - 12/27/03 11:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You know, I was just about to post summarizing what I have in my sloppy pile of notes on this stuff, but you just came up with about what I would have said.  No fair - I know you haven't had to read all this crap to get there. :mad2:

This is what I've been working on, not just the ADHD-related stuff I've posted elsewhere.  See why I've been so intrigued by all of it?  Also, now you see why I have to read about things like quantum mechanics to explain it all.

BTW - Thanks to Trendal for lots of good stuff for me to figure out on that other thread.  String theory was one of the next things I needed to get into, so I guess it's time.


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Re: (Human) Consciousness [Re: Frog]
    #2204788 - 12/27/03 11:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Is all consciousness "hanging" out there, in the "empty" areas, perhaps filling space, causing us to share thoughts with each other, depending on the hertz at which our brains electromagnetic waves cycle?

I've thought much the same, as of late! What really separates us from our surroundings? What gives us the concept of the Self?

What is the difference between 0.01mm below my skin, and 0.01mm above my skin? Both spaces are filled with subatomic particles, and at their most basic level those particles are all the same thing: ENERGY! Matter is merely condensed energy (E=mc^2, m=E/c^2). The only thing separating things into individual objects is my/our perception of the world.

I see a chair...and I know it is a chair. The fact that the air surrounding the chair is transparent to the light my eyes are receiving alows me to separate the chair from it's surroundings.

Hmm...so the only thing that gives us the ability to have a concept of separateness and the Self is the nature of the EM force and how our eyes receive it...

The EM force is the most apparent of all the fundamental forces...so what is so surprising about the idea that EM fields may be what our consciousness really is?


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Re: (Human) Consciousness [Re: Renegade8]
    #2204792 - 12/27/03 11:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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You know, I was just about to post summarizing what I have in my sloppy pile of notes on this stuff, but you just came up with about what I would have said.  No fair - I know you haven't had to read all this crap to get there. :mad2:

This is what I've been working on, not just the ADHD-related stuff I've posted elsewhere.  See why I've been so intrigued by all of it?  Also, now you see why I have to read about things like quantum mechanics to explain it all.

BTW - Thanks to Trendal for lots of good stuff for me to figure out on that other thread.  String theory was one of the next things I needed to get into, so I guess it's time.




Well, I probably picked this stuff up from listening to you blather, in addition to some of the books I've read.  But I didn't explain it as well as you probably would have.


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Re: (Human) Consciousness [Re: trendal]
    #2204798 - 12/27/03 11:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Trendal, the thing that got me thinking about all this was the book called "The Field", as I already stated. Listen, you don't even have to buy the book. I was reading it one chapter at a time, when I visited the book store. Even if you only read the preface, or whatever it's called, in the beginning of the book, that read is worth the trip.

I believe this all goes into how we also either "affect" our environment, or "intuit" our environment, psychically speaking.


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Re: (Human) Consciousness [Re: Shroomism]
    #2204816 - 12/27/03 11:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Ahh yes, I was waiting for the spiritual side of things!

Now here's a question I've been wondering about: animals. They certainly appear to have a consciousness of their own, even if it is not as highly evolved as our own. Do they also have a higher-level self? A part of their consciousness which exists, as it were, on a higher state of existance (density)?

Or are animals the primitive forms of consciousness which our higher-selves are made of? What I mean is, does an animal consciousness evolve over time into a higher consciousness through the same birth/rebirth process that we may undergo?


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Re: (Human) Consciousness [Re: Renegade8]
    #2204819 - 12/27/03 11:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Off topic:

If you're looking at getting into string theory I highly reccomend Brian Greene's novel, The Elegant Universe. You've probably heard of it several times already. Another book (actually the book that introduced me to string theory) is Michio Kaku's book Hyperspace, although it is a little more "out there" than Greene's book.


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Re: (Human) Consciousness [Re: Frog]
    #2204824 - 12/27/03 11:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I believe this all goes into how we also either "affect" our environment, or "intuit" our environment, psychically speaking.

That brings up the topic of intuition, then, I guess. Something else I've thought a lot about...

I'll have to check that book out sometime. Lucky I know the librarian here well enough that she'll order books for me that the library system doesn't have :wink:


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Re: (Human) Consciousness [Re: trendal]
    #2204830 - 12/27/03 11:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Not just intuition. Think about walking into a grocery store, and you want some apples, and the guy tells you they just ran out. You don't scream and yell or whatever. You just sort of "project" at him what you want and that he will get it for you. Next minute, he is offering to go in the back and check and, sure enough, there's the apples.

Projection, I guess one could call it. Maybe it has another name.

But that's about exchanging energy, too, using the mind. Uh, am I "off topic"?


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Re: (Human) Consciousness [Re: Frog]
    #2204837 - 12/28/03 12:04 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Nope :wink:

This all ties in closely with the nature of consciousness. And I see what you are getting at, now. Some people call it syncronicity, right?


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    #2204852 - 12/28/03 12:19 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It could be synchronicity, but I don't think so. I'm still trying to figure all this out, which is why I was referred to this forum!

I don't think it is synchronicity.

From Dictionary.com:

syn?chro?nic?i?ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sngkr-ns-t, sn-)
n. pl. syn?chro?nic?i?ties
1. The state or fact of being synchronous or simultaneous; synchronism.
2. Coincidence of events that seem to be meaningfully related, conceived in Jungian theory as an explanatory principle on the same order as causality.

I'm not talking about synchronicity. As if one was a force, and affected others with the emanations of his or her thoughts. An intense human being, so to speak, projecting desires onto another, and getting what he or she wanted, regardless of synchronicity.


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Re: (Human) Consciousness [Re: Frog]
    #2204862 - 12/28/03 12:28 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Ahh, perfectly cleared up, thank you :smile:

I've had plenty of experience with this. One thing I was talking to Shroomism about the other night is mind/machine interaction (again, see the link to PEAR I provided earlier...VERY interesting stuff!).

This may sound silly to some...but I've noticed that when I am emotionally charged (extremely angry/upset, which is not normal for me) and I attempt to use my computer...all sorts of strange things happen to the system. Crashes spontaneously (where crashes never occur normally) and other strange abnormal behavior. Once or twice I have had to actually get off my computer and wait until I calm down to get back on...or I cant get anything done with the system. It's almost as if my emotion affects the workings of the computer in unpredictable ways - when my emotion is in an unpredictable state.


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Re: (Human) Consciousness [Re: trendal]
    #2204867 - 12/28/03 12:36 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I don't have that problem with machines, for some reason, although I am able to project at others and get what I want, quite a bit. But my girlfriend has that problem that you are describing, with printers. I don't know if it's just printers, but recently she told me about a printer that she had to stay away from. (lol)

No, this is not silly stuff. Very true stuff. Has to do with brain waves and electromagnetic fields and stuff like that. (Excuse the scientific jargon.)


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    #2204872 - 12/28/03 12:39 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Well I actually prefer scientific jargon over most other jargon :wink:

I've heard a lot of people say, throughout my life, that they have problems with machines at times that can't be explained by normal machine malfunction.


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    #2204921 - 12/28/03 01:17 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

This is a wonderfully thought provoking thread !!!  You're all terrific thinkers !!



Here's my contribution..



For this example, let us say that 'pure consciousness' is white light, where each one of us has this light  associated with their own personnal attributes and frequency characteristics   [To prevent anybody from saying: well, if we all have white light, then we must all be one].




Please allow me to 'set the stage' now...


[If you can't follow, you may have to draw this out as I explain it because I don't have a scanner to supply a useful diagram.]




It begins with a light source of white light without observable boundaries, only a gradient of intensity that decreases the further away you get from the source. This light source can stretch VERY FAR, VERY QUICKLY !



In this example, strict observable boundaries are synonymous to a physical beginning and end: a peculiar characteristic of 4-D. 

Around this light source, from the standpoint of an observer, is a maleable cube boundary with a window to allow the light to get through.  The window is a stained glass window.

Around the first cube, is a second cube, with a relatively solid boundary made of a clear material, with a 'fluid in it'.  So the light emited through stained glass window, illuminates the fluid with a specific colour. This new light, is therefore a filtered piece, or "snippet" of the white light source.

The second cube is synonymous to a physical brain. This is where pure conciousness, now reflected as a simpler version of itself, plays. This is physical conciousness.


This, now illuminated, fluid has the ability/potential to pass this new colour through the clear material to it's surroundings. It is quite beautiful to behold.


>>>[Aside- It is interesting to note the following 'illusion' that occurs for the outside observer...  To the observer from the vantage point within the realm of 'physical movement' [4-D], the observation is that of a DISTINCT boundary with some kind of a light source somewhere within it.

However, the light source has NO observable boundaries.

What is inside the first maleable cube is much larger and more complex than what is outside of the second cube made of clear material.

This seems impossible...  But the paradox is only relative to the outside observer of the outermost cube in a 4-D matrix..

From the inside, a parallel universe is in dominion.]<<<




Back to the illuminated fluid...


Relative to its physical beginning, the illuminated fluid passes through the clear material of the second cube without holding anything back.

As one ages, and experiences, an ego begins to form.  This could be represented as a screen that covers the outer area of the second cube. The screen is of a specific pattern that alters the coloured light as it passes through.  This alteration can be seen as learned personality, charm, wit. The screen's pattern also filters what enters the outer cube.

If one gets too set into ego, the screen gets thicker...  So it filters too much and, at the same time, allows less coloured light to emit outwards..

[ Does that seem like a "dim-wit" to you?  :lol:    That isn't an attack on anyone's person, I'm just kidding around here. ]


The potential to change the pattern in the screen exists.  You can, therefore, "program" your brain.


The more you thin out the barrier screen, the closer you can attain the original illumination state.

But care must be taken into consideration...  If you thin out the barrier too quickly -[say, for example: Serious drug abuse]- you add a 'taint' to the original light in the second cube...  You alter how the brain works by shocking it too rapidly.  [A warped sense of reality is the result>>  Read insanity.]  It occurs when you 'bombard' with too much information. There is a limit to the amount of info your brain can handle...  Anything past the critical point will be like stretching a spring past its spring constant...  It won't go back to its original state.


Safe programming takes time, patience and PERCEVERENCE.
   



As for other animals..  The quality of their pure consciousness is NEVER compromised.  Existing as a different creature simply means that the pure consciousness is filtered by a different stained glass window.  You only see the 'quality of light' emitted by the amount of 'stain' that there is. It is an error to think that they are "lower class". It is simply a different experience. Everytime you infringe upon an animal's well-being,  you are hurting a pure conciousness as complex as yours.


And lastly, others are in a state of "waiting"...  Their stained glass window has been closed by "window shutters".  The white light, therefore, cannot express through in any way. Your perception of them, is therefore, as non-living.



In essence, you should consider respect for everything.


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    #2204926 - 12/28/03 01:22 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Trendal what do you think of "quantum dualities" and consciousness?  If you take a highly materialistic view of consciousness (as I do), then the brain is operating, at least in part, through quantum processes.  If "quantum dualities" exist, one particle affecting its counter-part in a remote space, then a particle residing in the mind could conceivably affect a remote particle.  I'm just wondering if this is even possible.

This book is a good read: "A Universe of Consciousness: How Matter Becomes Imagination"
by Gerald M. Edelman, Giulio Tonomi, Giulio Tononi
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    #2204934 - 12/28/03 01:28 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It's almost as if my emotion affects the workings of the computer in unpredictable ways - when my emotion is in an unpredictable state.

*sigh* Do I have to create the "Swami Computer Crashing Challenge"? Your machine crashes because Microsoft has yet to learn how to safeguard memory.


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    #2205318 - 12/28/03 07:57 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Damn, Deiymiyan, that was really good stuff! I think I need to go lay down for awhile and do some breathing exercises, and think about things.... :thumbup:
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    #2205420 - 12/28/03 11:11 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It's almost as if

Note that I didn't say this was definately the case...I only provided it as one interpretation.

Come on, Swami, I know you're better with language than this :smirk:

Also, I did not say that (should this be the case, however unlikely) I had any kind of conscious control over the abnormalities, so any challenge you propose would be pointless. I do happen to understand computers quite well (they happen to be my profession/life) and I am not talking about your regular Microshit crashes...because they did not occur on a Micro$oft OS, they occured on my Linux box :wink:

How often have you seen Linux crash, Swami?


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    #2205427 - 12/28/03 11:14 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Pattern, if you haven't already, go take a look at the PEAR site...

Through quantum entanglement and such, I am quite sure that it is possible that our brains affect the world around us. It may not be entirely consciously controllable at this stage of evolution...but who knows? Perhaps in the future we will all have conscious control over these processes.


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    #2205493 - 12/28/03 12:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Trendal, I went to the PEAR website some time back, and I couldn't really understand what it is that they are doing. Could you give me a hint?

Also, I've been on another website where people wrote about this phenomenom of affecting computers and peripherals with the electromagnetic waves from their bodies.

Think about it: If we are emitting electromagnetic waves at different frequencies, wouldn't they interfere, at some frequency, with a computer?


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    #2205523 - 12/28/03 12:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"Through quantum entanglement and such, I am quite sure that it is possible that our brains affect the world around us. It may not be entirely consciously controllable at this stage of evolution...but who knows? Perhaps in the future we will all have conscious control over these processes. "

would someoen explain this to me? it doesn't sit well with me is all I'm saying and maybe a neat explination would do. I think that yes our brain effects our reality, but not sure about physical manifestations

I'm sorry I don't have anything to add but more questions. what about altering consciousness?? that consciousness can be altered, does this mean that the flux of the EM waves would be changed? or just the amplitude of the "wave" changes, or maybe by some other means. if this em thing is true then how would that work???


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Re: (Human) Consciousness [Re: trendal]
    #2205570 - 12/28/03 01:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

trendal said:
Pattern, if you haven't already, go take a look at the PEAR site...

Through quantum entanglement and such, I am quite sure that it is possible that our brains affect the world around us. It may not be entirely consciously controllable at this stage of evolution...but who knows? Perhaps in the future we will all have conscious control over these processes.




Ok good I'm not crazy :smile:

Entanglement is interesting.  I agree its not consciously controlled, but it gives a little boost to the "we are all one" mentality.  Given that all the brains of humans are made of like particles, we could very well be entangled with each other.  Maybe quantum mechanics will explain love.  hehe :stoned:


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    #2205576 - 12/28/03 01:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Frog: PEAR has been doing experiments for the past 30 years or so with mind/machine interaction. Their idea is to set up a system (of some form) that is entirely random in it's output (say, a computer randomly choosing + or - over and over again). If the output is truely random, the outcome should be almost exactly 50/50 (with some standard deviation, of course).

They have found that by including a human "operator" in the experiment, who is supposed to sit there and concentrate on one choice over the other, the eventual outcome can be pushed in one direction (with results beyond standard deviation).

That help?


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    #2205583 - 12/28/03 01:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

kaiowas, have you come accross the concept of quantum entanglement before?

It is not fully understood...but has been experimentally proven. When two particles are in contact with eachother and then removed to separate locations, there seems to be an ability for them to instantaneously communicate over any distance.

Say you create two photons in your lab. You take one of the photons and move it to the other side of the lab (or the other side of the Earth, galaxy, or even universe). Now if you do something to the quantum state of one of the photons (say cause it to undergo a spin flip - changing its quantum variables) the other particle undergoes the same change at the same time.

This is what we call "entanglement" - the particles seem to be entangled with eachother and communicate using some as yet unknown force.


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    #2205593 - 12/28/03 01:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thank you, Trendal. That helped A LOT!!


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    #2205599 - 12/28/03 01:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Entanglement is interesting. I agree its not consciously controlled, but it gives a little boost to the "we are all one" mentality. Given that all the brains of humans are made of like particles, we could very well be entangled with each other.


We are NOT all one.

..rather..

We are MANY !


Entanglement, just like the sound of the word, seems to imply overlap.

A simple example would be like all of us standing in a line and linking our arms together in chain fashion.  We would have overlap, we would be 'joined' to one another...  In essence we would be sharing each other's personnal space.  But we would not be one and the same.  We would still be individual from our own vantage points.

However, there IS purpose to our overlap.  :lipsrsealed:


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    #2205602 - 12/28/03 01:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

My belief is that we are all made of the same material, i.e., spirit material. God is a spirit. We are made from His spirit. The entanglement theory would make sense. We really are all one.


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    #2205606 - 12/28/03 01:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

To quote Moby...

"We are all made of stars!" :wink:


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    #2205612 - 12/28/03 01:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

^^

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    #2205620 - 12/28/03 02:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Good luck, kaiowas! Take plenty of food and drink!


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    #2205623 - 12/28/03 02:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

My belief is that we are all made of the same material, i.e., spirit material.


Agreed.


The song I played last night is also made up of the same 'material'...  Music.

The music is sub-divided into similar sub-material as well...  Notes.

Each Note, however, has its own characteristics and frequency traits. 

Although similar, they are not ONE...  rather... MANY.


The fact that we all have similar spirit, makes us FAMILY.

It dosen't make YOU me and ME you.

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    #2205629 - 12/28/03 02:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

To quote Moby...
"We are all made of stars!"


Using that analogy... sure... But not the exact same ones.

Not every star is the same as our Sun.

Therefore, diversity, exists.


Each arrangement of stars 'paints' a unique picture...

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    #2205631 - 12/28/03 02:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Right, we are all still separate and have distinct personalities. I like what you said about music, too. This electromagnetic wave thing really has something to do with all this, me thinks.


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    #2205636 - 12/28/03 02:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

so how does the em change then when your personality changes??


does this mean that consciousness has a source then???? is it even implied??? esepcially if it can be changed?


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Re: (Human) Consciousness [Re: kaiowas]
    #2205643 - 12/28/03 02:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

so how does the em change then when your personality changes??

I tried to touch on that using the cube analogy.. I used cubes because it was relative to a 3-D 'snapshot'... and I was hoping people would see that.


does this mean that consciousness has a source then???? is it even implied??? esepcially if it can be changed?

I illustrated that in simple terms as well.



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    #2205644 - 12/28/03 02:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Okay, I'm still learning all this, too, but my understanding so far is that our brains emit electromagnetic waves at different frequencies. Someone here once posted a web page that listed all the different frequencies, based on whether you were sleeping, thinking, meditating, excited, etc.

The electromagnetic waves resonated from your brain at 7.8 hertz when meditating, or when psychics are using psychic powers.

Coincidentally, this is the same hertz at which the electromagnetic waves from earth cycle. Earth is made from all that is in space, right? So everything that resonates at 7.8 is probably on one wave length.

I think consciousness exists from all time, ever. It is energy that has been absorbed and emitted over and over, and it probably constantly is all around us, for us to tap into when at the proper brain wave.

I am explaining this simply, because I don't have all the knowledge and jargon that would probably better explain it. If someone feels they can do a better job than me, feel free to jump in.


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    #2205660 - 12/28/03 02:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

wowwies, I didn't even look :frown:

the analogy was great btw. I still have a question and i hope it wasn't implied either , don't want to be too dim-witted now :lol:

what about the different levels of consciousness?? is that the stain glass window?? where does the sub-conscious fit int this scheme.  sorry for asking so many questions but I'm jsut really curious :smile:


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    #2208180 - 12/29/03 06:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

what about the different levels of consciousness?? is that the stain glass window?? where does the sub-conscious fit int this scheme. sorry for asking so many questions but I'm jsut really curious


The stained glass window does not represent the levels of consciousness; it is like the 'mask' that you put on when you become physical... Like an 'ant mask' or a 'tiger mask'. 

Through   the glass, the light altered  by   the glass is the  image   of what the glass represents. [I'm sorry if that was a circular argument...  Just ask if you still don't get it and I'll re-itterate.....  And NO!  It DOSEN"T MEAN YOU ARE Dim-Witted  I hope I made myself clear that I was just kidding around when I said that... Asking questions is ENCOURAGED !]



As far as I can tell, the levels of consciousness are 'positions' or 'set markers' within a  gradient  of conciousness.

Let's relate this to the 3-D CUBE.



Let's first position the CUBE...




Take the example I outlined, and have the CUBE-system facing you..  So that if you were to look at it from the front, you'd see the inner CUBE with the window, within the second, outter CUBE, facing you.

Now, if the back end of the system were at 12 o'clock, turn it clockwise to 3 o'clock...  You are now looking at the  profile  of the system: where, going from left to right, you'd enter the clear glass, go through the 'fluid medium', reach the stained glass window and be able to enter the second cube.



Coming from a source, light diverges as the distance lengthens from its origin.. So intensity decreases with an increase in length in a straight line.


So going from left to right, in the CUBE, you would notice an increase of light 'quantity' [let's say] relative to how close you got to the source [in this case, the source is coming from the window]




Let's allocate distance units [let's call a unit 'U'] to this.  Suppose, from left to right, there were 10 distance units. As you went left to right, you'd approach 1'U', and further still, you'd reach 2 'U', then 3 'U' until you reached the final 10 'U'.

So, going from 1 'U' to 3 'U', for example, do you see how there is a  gradient increase  in the quality of light?  [ If you don't, please, just say so and I'll be happy to try and explain again ]





So let's say, for argument's sake, that  there were 10 levels of consciousness [10 is a good number],  each one   would be represented by an increased gradient 'bundle', represented as a unit 'U', where each unit 'U' is a further increase of total quality,  but still includes   the previous ones within it's reach [to the left in this example]...  This keeps you 'connected' to 'here', or, your 4-D environment.





Now, let's take this further..




Suppose, that your 'mind's eye' was another, different,  'source of light'  that allowed you to 'look around'...  Can you see how the quality of light relating to your mind's eye is comprimised  the thicker the screen   gets?



What I mean is, the thicker the screen gets [recall, it is ego and other learned 'habits'] the less light passes through. If less quality of light passes through, then its intensity gets shortened also.



Can you see how the thinning out of a huge ego allows the quality of light, of your physical mind's eye, to reach further to the right in this example?  tHEREBY  overlapping deeper   into the gradient of consciousness...


Again, if not, please ask.. I will gladly do my best to explain further..  Don't be shy.





Let's talk sub-conscious...  Like a woofer vs. a Sub-woofer...  The Sub implies DEEPER sounds...  Longer wavelenths... Further away...

I'll argue that the sub-conscious begins where the mind's eye ends... So by 'seeing further', you 'tap into' your sub-conscious more.





If the screen gets thicker as one ages, due to lack of proper 'screen management', you have less 'vision'  as a result.





This brings about a very  interesting concept... 





If 'vision' is entangled with imagination, and you have 'more of it' as a youngster [I'll argue children can have quite vivid imaginations!],  then dosen't it seem interesting, especially because it is in the written records, that  JESUS 'connected' with children on a 'different', perhaps even DEEPER, level ?


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    #2210134 - 12/30/03 04:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Ok...  So I'm now going to include another little 'snippet' into this equation.


This will illustrate something very nicely for you.



The outer CUBE is set in an environment...  A 4-D environment, of  finite   size.

This is observable simply by looking around your physical self... [ I know that bit was obvious ]


So, therefore, finite size refers to boundaries.


Relative to your physical looking around,  you are making observations within the boundaries..  These boundaries have RULES.. as observed by science enthusiasts.



Now...  That is from the vantage point outside of the CUBE.




What about the inside...? 

I did say that it was bigger than the outside; and that the paradox exited only for the outside observer, in terms of the CUBE's characteristics seeming finite.





Ok..  Follow me on this.


Let's change the scale a bit, using a different vantage point..





Suppose the CUBE was like a SHIRT or SWEATER that you were wearing on yourself, where this 'article of clothing' was  apparently the boundary that surrounded what appears to be within ...  AKA ..  YOU...  And the YOU was the light I was refering to in the beginning.


Now, mentally, take OFF the shirt by grabbing it from the bottom and pulling it over your head; so that when you pull it off, it is INSIDE-OUT.

Follow me so far?


What was once your surrounding, is NOW of FINITE SIZE represented within  the boundary of your shirt.

You are REALLY outside of this boundary...





Now, transform that shirt/sweater back into the CUBE and your body back into the light.


You can now see how the light can reach farther than the finite boundaries that it interacts with on the INSIDE of those boundaries.



Now...  The cube becomes a room...  Where, its surroundings, represented as INDIDE-OUT in this analogy, is "the OTHER SIDE".. and is    QUITE BIGGER  !

This is where WE OVERLAP...  Or, the "place" from which we entangle.






And where have I spoken of this... room?











Ah yes....  The "HELL" thread...  :eek:







I'm not done with that thread yet...


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    #2215599 - 01/02/04 08:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

so you talked about the mind's eye?? where is that positioned?? is that outside the screen????


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    #2215616 - 01/02/04 08:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Suppose the CUBE was like a SHIRT or SWEATER that you were wearing on yourself, where this 'article of clothing' was apparently the boundary that surrounded what appears to be within ... AKA .. YOU... And the YOU was the light I was refering to in the beginning.


Now, mentally, take OFF the shirt by grabbing it from the bottom and pulling it over your head; so that when you pull it off, it is INSIDE-OUT.

Follow me so far?


What was once your surrounding, is NOW of FINITE SIZE represented within the boundary of your shirt.

You are REALLY outside of this boundary...


I'm confused here, how is the shirt the boundary??


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    #2215622 - 01/02/04 08:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Isn't everything multi-dimensional?

I would think that depending on how many dimensions there actually are (People seem to think 11 now?), that EVERYTHING would have that many dimensions to it, even our bodies and ice-cubes. Since we can't percieve more than three/four, though, we don't see the rest of everything, but its there.

There's no such thing as a 4-dimensional cube, or even a 3-dimensional cube :wink: Its all 11, isn't it?

or maybe I'm just confused, which is usually the case :wink:


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    #2216057 - 01/03/04 02:23 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

No, you're right.. in a way..

all the dimensions are connected.. they resonate with and build off each other. So in essence, everything is multidimensional. Just some things focus in a particular dimension to perceive in and contribute to that experience.

A rock, for example, perceives the 1st dimensionm and cannot perceive the second of plants and animals. Now, in a manner of speaking, the rock is connected to the 'divine source of all-that-is' and is a part of existence like everything else, so exists in the 11th dimension simultaneously, since all is one, at the source.

But in the fragmented perceptions of odd dimensions, we fail to see the connection.

So one can really usually only perceive in their dimension and lower..but we do exist multidimensionally, in the highest dimension.. it is just our focus is in 3rd dimension at this time.,


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    #2216097 - 01/03/04 02:51 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I remember reading something at the shroomery written by Leary about the Van Allen Belt possibly having an influence on the discovery of LSD.


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    #2216200 - 01/03/04 04:33 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Picture your cube, but my way kind of.. I had a vision (dmt) of moving forward through a space filled with, what looked like infinite, geometrical 3-d shapes (unless you count movement as 4-d because they were all spinning in there own way) and each one of these shapes is made up of smaller shapes (where your cubes fit in). Each small shape is connected symetrically by a line in an appropriate place, string if you will. I said I was moving forward, maybe I was one of the cubes moving through it who knows that could be death.

Anyway you saw one cube and described it in detail, I saw a space filled with differend geometrical shapes made of the smaller ones you described. You assume (I'm assuming) that there's only cubes, but if you saw them all (like me) you wouldn't of described the one so perfectly. But the way I see it I couldnt go into detail about the shapes that make up the shapes. You saw the quark in the electron, I saw the atom.

The amazing thing about this vision was that it was sooo vivid and finite and you think "a human saw this." or I guess you could say "I saw this" but that's more localized..

So if every atom that's next to another atom can share information at the speed of light that means maybe if you share the same EM waves as the human next to you the atomic particles in your body could pic up on the same thoughts in the other persons particles at the speed of light.

Now think about brain waves: Alpha, Beta, Theta, and Delta. Any giving state of consciousness can be looked at with an EEG machine to detect brain waves. "They" have done some very interesting studies about brain waves while on Ayahuasca. Check this link.. you're going to want to click here.

It's very easy to learn which waves represent which states so I won't go into that. But it is also important to note that music with bineural frequencies attracts the brain waves and the brain waves try to mimic the frequencies sometimes, ever notice when you hear your favorite song you get a body rush? Alpha waves I would presume, as those represent a state of relaxed consciousness.


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    #2216788 - 01/03/04 04:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

psychopsilocyber,  you just put a smile on my face !  :smile:



I had a vision (dmt) of moving forward through a space filled with, what looked like infinite, geometrical 3-d shapes (unless you count movement as 4-d because they were all spinning in there own way) and each one of these shapes is made up of smaller shapes (where your cubes fit in). Each small shape is connected symetrically by a line in an appropriate place, string if you will. I said I was moving forward, maybe I was one of the cubes moving through it...


RE- The apparent 'infinite' amount of 3-D shapes... 
There's ALOT of them...  Even if you were to observe a million of them [of all that there are]..  a million would seem like an infinate number to look at.

As for the rest of what you wrote there...  Friend, you 'skipped' a little ahead of my discussion.  Nonetheless,  points for a wonderful contribution of thought!




I find it very intriquing, however, that you saw that with DMT. 

I have never consumed DMT, yet I saw a similar thing.  At this very moment, I feel convinced that 'vision' does NOT have to be substance induced..  And this is good news, especially for those who do not wish to partake in those kind of rituals.

I am now of the opinion that you can 'see this' even from a 'grounded state' [read: sobre]..  It's all about focussing your attention in the right direction..




Anyway you saw one cube and described it in detail, I saw a space filled with differend geometrical shapes made of the smaller ones you described.

I enjoy noticing detail.  I have done so most my life.. I got a VERY   good mark in art class simply because my attention to detail was well above that of my peers.




You assume (I'm assuming) that there's only cubes, but if you saw them all (like me) you wouldn't of described the one so perfectly.


I used the cube only in a symbolic manner to represent 3-D. 

I do not disagree with what you saw... 


You answered it very nicely with the following analogy:  " You saw the quark in the electron, I saw the atom. "


What I was describing, was a small detail of a painting...  You, took ' a few steps back ' and saw more of that paining, less of the detail...  But that's ok.


The reason I "described the one so perfectly" as you say is, simply, because I am symbolically mapping out this CUBE analogy from MY position..  Noone knows the inner workings of my mind better than I.  I cannot speak for anyone but ME. But I DO think that, since we are reasonnably alike, that what I say of myself, can, quite possibly, parallel and overlap with my neighbours:  All of YOU!  



So if every atom that's next to another atom can share information at the speed of light that means maybe if you share the same EM waves as the human next to you the atomic particles in your body could pic up on the same thoughts in the other persons particles at the speed of light.


Although, I don't have a proper word in mind right now [maybe sclorch can help out one day], I am of the opinion that 'communication', VIA overlap, IS available.

Perhaps 'constructive harmonic interference'- type  concepts are a valid focus.

The concept of music, and the playing of, is also, in my mind, valid.





BTW- Very interesting link...  Thanx!  :thumbup:


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    #2216826 - 01/03/04 04:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

>As for the rest of what you wrote there... Friend, you 'skipped' a little ahead of my discussion. Nonetheless, points for a wonderful contribution of thought!

Guilty as charged, but I think I got the main idea.

>I find it very intriquing, however, that you saw that with DMT.

Everything is pran, I'd say DMT is a pretty direct form of pran, since all of your chakra's use a different form of pran (you could say enzymes or neurochems, they're all atoms with different arrangements) The higher the chakra the finer the pran. DMT is made in the 3rd eye so that explains why you can see so much in detail.

>I have never consumed DMT, yet I saw a similar thing. At this very moment, I feel convinced that 'vision' does NOT have to be substance induced.. And this is good news, especially for those who do not wish to partake in those kind of rituals.

With your screen name I assumed you did ceremonial ayahuasca, Santo Daimi is the name of it, your spelling is similar, what does it mean? The substance is in your brain already, so unless you don't have a pineal gland.... It's all how you choose to transmute and from which chakra, you know when they take pictures of your aura the color matches the chakra(s) you're using to transmute.

>I am now of the opinion that you can 'see this' even from a 'grounded state' [read: sobre].. It's all about focussing your attention in the right direction..

I'm sure it's possible, maybe part of me is there right now, or at least connected, but if I wanted to right now I couldn't see that without using memory, which maybe how I saw it in the first place. I'm saying I can't have such a vivid experience just like that, when you smoke dmt your brain waves change dramatically, and I don't have that type of control yet.

>You answered it very nicely with the following analogy: " You saw the quark in the electron, I saw the atom. "

Thanks but I guess I saw many atoms to your quark if you think about it, but these were far more complex systems than protons nutrons and electrons it seemed.

>Although, I don't have a proper word in mind right now [maybe schlorch can help out one day], I am of the opinion that 'communication', VIA overlap, IS available.

Non-local Communication? basically the same as quantum entanglement if that's the word you wanted.


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Re: (Human) Consciousness [Re: psychopsilocyber]
    #2216904 - 01/03/04 05:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

With your screen name I assumed you did ceremonial ayahuasca, Santo Daimi is the name of it, your spelling is similar, what does it mean?


I have never consumed that before either.  WOW, that is the name of it?

If I am thinking of the right thing, ayahuasca is a liquid right?  Kind of like a potent alcohol?



My screen name does have an encrypted meaning. It is encrypted phonetically.

As the sum of its parts, or a whole, it is the name I have given to my 'little guardian'...  He's such a cute little buddy...  He absolutely rumbles when he purrrs.  He's an amazing friend!  But he's got a nasty bite!



While differentiating, of it, into the parts, it is my request.

Please do not take offense, but I cannot discuss what those parts mean at this time.




The funny thing with 'Santo Daimi'... 

If the phonetics of it were loosely integrated into the Czech language, it would be:

"Santa..  Give me"  :lol:

That's a true story.


Edit//  BTW.. I have never heard of the word pran.  What does it mean?


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    #2216919 - 01/03/04 05:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Demon? Is that why you have a lot of the hell stuff? ...  :pill2:


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    #2216921 - 01/03/04 05:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Ayahuasca is a brew made with two plants, Banisteriopsis Caapi and Psychotria Viridis. Sometimes D. Cabranara is used in place of Viridis. No alcohol. They usually get it very concentrated, so that a dose is about 75-100ml. One usually consumes a dose about every hour until they've consumed usually 2-4 doses.

As for pran, I'll just read/write strait from Ram Dass's book "Be Here Now."

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One of the manifestations of pran, or life force, in the human body is breathing.... Pranayam is the control of vital force or energy or pran through a series of disiplined breathing exercises.


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    #2216939 - 01/03/04 06:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Demon? Is that why you have a lot of the hell stuff? ...  :pill2:





:lol: :devil: :lol:


Don't you think FORGIVENESS is available to everyone?


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    #2216941 - 01/03/04 06:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

As for pran, I'll just read/write strait from Ram Dass's book "Be Here Now."

Thanx... It makes sense now.


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    #2217029 - 01/03/04 07:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

so you talked about the mind's eye?? where is that positioned?? is that outside the screen????

It is in the screen's vecinity... So , around the screen.



Let's place the CUBE now.


Connected to the outer cube, would be 'wires and contacts'. These would be connected to the layer of your physical body as your eyes, skin, ears, tongue and nose.. Where, within your skin boundary, are found all of your inners [like various organs].


Your mind's eye, here, at this scaling, is your brain's dual functionnality. It is what allows you to see outwards into your outer environment, and into your inner environment.


When you are born, you look around with a very thin screen [Almost, like no screen]. Your experiences that you accumulate, solidify that screen. As the screen thickens, it hinders your 'neutral' observations of your inside...

In my opinion, you build an ego as you experience.


If you build it, then that means, I would wager, you can arrange/manage it. In the end, it is up to you how you want to cultivate that screen.


But I don't think that you would want to lose all of it.. [AKA- complete ego loss]. I think if you did that, you'd lose your physical identity.



I'm confused here, how is the shirt the boundary??


Ok... I illustrated that going from one way... Let's try from the other direction.


Take the position of the pure consciousness, or the 'light', which is outside if a finite bundle, where the finite bundle is our expanding universe.

So if you invisionned it that way, you'd see a 'mass' of expanding 4-D. Upon interacting with that mass, your body would be born.



Here's the interaction..



The outer boundary of the 4-D get's pushed into, by your light source. Envision it as if that boundary was a rubber ball, or better yet, a balloon. As you push into the balloon's boundary [let's say with your finger to simplify this], the outer boundary surrounds your finger. What was outside, is now arround your finger. It is now, inside.

The end of it, would be like what I call, 'the pinching of the reality'. So a connection is always present to the outside of the baloon. Since the reality pinches tightly, the connection is that of a dense 'string' [as has been pointed out].



I hope I'm not confusing you here, with these various analogies; but without a scanner, I cannot supply a useful diagram.


Therefore, as it has been stated by one of our friendly members, each cube 'floats' around withing this 4-D matrix by a 'string'.

That string is your connection to your bigger, egoless, you.




That is how the 'outside' becomes the 'inside'. When I made the 'shirt' analogy, I was going from you to the outside... The 'baloon' analogy, is from outside to inside.


If it is still difficult to understand, I'll try a different angle.



That light, I'd wager, is the soul within the physical YOU.


And when I discussed the notion of 'soul searching' before, I was simply implying:

To make a connection with yourself.



Although, entangled, each one of you has your own characteristic, individual, finite [but very large] frequencies.

Together, we link to make "a snowball".


The fact that we are connected so, has purpose.





Now.. The concept of dimensions has been brought about.



I don't know if anyone remembers Blaze2, but he pointed me in the direction of superstring theory and super gravity theory.


The Superstring theory, originally had 10 dimensions, where the Super Gravity Theory had 11.

The String theory seemed like a dead end.


So, I think, they [unfortunately] altered it a tad to make it 11 dimensions like Super Gravity Theory.



Just as an aside, I would say, from the little amount that I know of these two theories, that both original theories are correct. That means the 10-D 'dead end' and the 11-D 'opening' are both valid.


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    #2217085 - 01/03/04 07:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Don't you think FORGIVENESS is available to everyone?




I guess that depends on what you believe. If you think the seven deadly sins are real, then i guess you would be trapped in that thought too? The question is, is could you forgive yourself, if you asked yourself that, than maybe forgivness is already at hand.

Maybe a greater question would be, is Justice available to everyone?


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    #2217106 - 01/03/04 07:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The question is, is could you forgive yourself


This is the most important question of all, concerning forgiveness. If you answer an honest whole-hearted 'yes' to this, by default of complexity, I'd say, that you are forgiven.




Maybe a greater question would be, is Justice available to everyone?


Absolutely, and without question: YES !


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