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InvisibleInnvertigo
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Declining Support for Bush
    #592807 - 03/29/02 02:18 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

As most of you know i have been in support of George Bush, however with his inability to stick to what he's promised during his campaign (drilling in alaska, school vouchers, "new tone" etc.) my support for him is dwindling. Don't confuse this with the support of the Libbies because they, in my opinion would be even worse. I really thought that this would be the first president that would attempt to do things that are right instead of things that are found popular in polls. I still like the guy as a person but as a politician i find him to be similar to his father, wishy washy. Do you think that we will ever get a president that won't govern by the polls? If so do you have anyone in mind? As a third party candidate who do you think would make a good president? (excluding Green and Buchanen(sp), ofcourse..they're wacky).


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Re: Declining Support for Bush [Re: Innvertigo]
    #592940 - 03/29/02 05:08 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

If the Republicans would have nominated Alan Keyes I would have considered voting for
him. The political establishment is less concerned with principle and more concerned with
maintaining/gaining power. Ronald Reagan won precisely because he tried to stand
for principles, but the Republican party has mostly forgotten this.

My favorite third party is the Libertarian, followed by the Constitution Party and then maybe
the Reform Party. The Green party is the new home for communists since the Soviet Union
collapsed.

I would consider voting for Jesse Ventura if he were to run.


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Re: Declining Support for Bush [Re: Innvertigo]
    #593046 - 03/29/02 06:52 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

"I really thought that this would be the first president that would attempt to do things that are right instead of things that are found popular in polls."

You must be quite naive then. History is littered with figures who started out with the intention of fixing things, but liked the taste of power too much to risk letting go.



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Re: Declining Support for Bush [Re: Innvertigo]
    #593154 - 03/29/02 10:01 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Lyndon Larouche.

OK, just kidding. That guy is a complete nutball.

Robert Heinlein is dead, so I would have to nominate P.J. O'Rourke.


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Re: Declining Support for Bush [Re: wingnutx]
    #593393 - 03/30/02 04:39 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Lyndon Larouche, or of course Ralph Nader, I don't know why people don't like him, or even play around jokingly, about his inability to serve in office, because of his pro-hemp views, It's like cows think, damn I am a pothead, I do smoke pot, but you know maybe all the shit they taught me in dare class is right, maybe america is'nt wrong at all, maybe we are on the right side of killing, because sometimes killing is justified, expecially if it is done with honor, in defense of not having to use self defense, that's ok right? Or even better, killing somebody without a gun, that is definitely ok, right? Especially if it is one on one! then it's ok. Let's just smoke alot of weed in tribute to the famous and prosperous potheads of america...., Let's just smoke a big phatty to George Bush, protectorate of freedom, killing little countries faster then any large country in history, in years we can have more english speaking brainwashed wackos then any other country, and the great thing is they only speak english! We can be free, free of peace, and peace of mind, and all we have to do is slaughter any and all non speakers of the 2nd (3rd?) most common language of the world: English


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Re: Declining Support for Bush [Re: wingnutx]
    #593490 - 03/30/02 09:56 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

PJ O'Rourke... that'd be entertaining. Although I don't think it'd fly very well after his last apperance on The Daily Show. I thought he was funny, but no one in the crowd seemed to be laughing. Plus everyone else I knew that saw the interview said he seemed like a class A racist. Plus he's admited to far too much drug use to get elected anywere... well other than possibly mayor of DC.


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Re: Declining Support for Bush [Re: mm.]
    #593545 - 03/30/02 11:31 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

i wouldn't say naive. it was wishful thinking. As i've stated many times bush was not my first choice. If nadar or gore would of got in it would be VERY bad. Both of them are nut jobs with socialist roots.

****History is littered with figures who started out with the intention of fixing things, but liked the taste of power too much to risk letting go.*****

Ie: Klinton...


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Post deleted by Moe Howard [Re: Innvertigo]
    #593675 - 03/30/02 02:44 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Declining Support for Bush [Re: Anonymous]
    #593852 - 03/30/02 06:33 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

If you elected PJ Harvey then you'd have Nick Cave up on the roof of the white house shooting smack...


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Re: Declining Support for Bush [Re: mm.]
    #594032 - 03/30/02 10:50 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Isn't this the dopey-ESSST, arrogant, goofball, ... ect, ect, ect. president EVER!!!!! I mean damn.. I'm really speechless whenever I hear him speak. I always find myself going back to the same question "How did this guy become the leader of the free world?" He's an idiot for the love of God. It's almost borderline funny. I'm not even into politics, in fact, I hate it. But you can't help what ya hear in the news, read in the paper, and feel in your heart. The only reason I even read this forum is to confirm what I already know. This president is a disaster.


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Re: Declining Support for Bush [Re: Innvertigo]
    #594049 - 03/30/02 11:09 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

naustradamus predicted that someone in the Bush family would be the third anti-christ...Bush never had my vote, infact, ill never vote...maybee cause i live in canada.


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Re: Declining Support for Bush [Re: Alpheratus]
    #594810 - 03/31/02 08:15 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Well, your queen just died, so now you get a new king. Who needs voting?


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Re: Declining Support for Bush [Re: Innvertigo]
    #594819 - 03/31/02 08:29 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

you nutballs really think the presisent has the power he is promised when entering office?.....wrong...he answers to the bigwigs behind the scenes and is strictly "no sir" "yes sir" for mister bush.he has as about as much power as your local senator.


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Re: Declining Support for Bush [Re: SIR_JAS]
    #602060 - 04/08/02 12:01 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you...i feel enlightened now....sheesh...nut balls and all!!


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Re: Declining Support for Bush [Re: Innvertigo]
    #603477 - 04/09/02 05:43 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Reasons why bush is a terrible president:

1. All of his public support comes from a "war", he feeds off peoples emotions of hate and grief to condone killing povern stricken people no one cares about, and sending our military to die. In other words, hes a parisitic leach.

2. Enron...Hes a flat out liar. He lied about knowing these men that fucked over thousands of people.

3. Blatent disregard for the environment. He simply doesnt care.

4. He just recently learned how to talk....

5. Hes a Pro-Death Sentence Pro-Lifer....Hes a hypocrite(you can either play god both ways, or you dont either way, its a simple concept) and by the way, he couldnt even decide whether or not he thought a stem cell had a soul...

6. He doesnt care about what the rest of the world thinks of us or how we interact with it, except militarily. He just said screw the kyoto treaty. He just has No political weight internationally, other than inciting fear through violence

7. The man basiccly tried to incite WW3 by calling out iraq, iran, and north korea and calling them a evil axis...thank god it didnt play out the way he wanted it to with the public opinion.

With all these things combined, the advance of humanity has effectivley stalled out.
Lets not forget how bush got to be even governor. Basically his dad. Some kind of demented dynasty crap. And everyone knows how he got to be president, His brother and that puppet bitch in Florida.

I'm not a republican, but i would have voted for mcain. He seems like someone trying to do whats right, wheras bush on the other hand seems like the perfect example of someone whos career relies on pandering to anyone that will listen.
When bush became the canidate, i lost alot of faith in this country. After seeing him in action in the debate, i could hardly contain my amazment as to how anyone in their right mind could vote for him. Hes like the absence of intelligence.

Invertigo, how can you call Nader and Gore "Socialist Nut-jobs" Espessially Nader, He Is a very intelligent man, that had alot of great ideas and acomplished more than bush did in his career without even being in office. Mostly stuff having to do with the saftey of alot of stuff you take for granted. Bush on the other hand accomplished Executions and practing his pandering skills.

Even though Bush has suprised me a bit here and there in a good way, such as the recent request for the israelis to withdraw from palestine (which in my opinon might stop the terrorism. They need to try it...Its like saying If all the sudden right now, a bunch of iraqi's and afganistans decided they were just gonna come and build little towns all over our country and not obey our laws, that there wouldnt be any hate crimes against them. The obvious solution is for them to leave...)
anyway hes done a couple things i thought were good, but mostly hes ben exactly the doof i always knew he was.

Lets just hope we find Bin Laden and come to a stopping point with this "war on terror" so we can all be happy and avenged. Then Bush wont have anything left to use as political muscle in the next election, people will see that causing death is all he did effectivley, and we can move on to better phase in american politics, and start moving in a foward motion again.


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Re: Declining Support for Bush [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #604074 - 04/10/02 08:54 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

****Enron...Hes a flat out liar. He lied about knowing these men that fucked over thousands of people. ****

The liberals gave more money than the Bush administration and gave Enron favors. The same can't be said about Bush, however, Bush did give them money but did not give favors and that has already been proven.

****Blatent disregard for the environment. He simply doesnt care***

In what respect? Just saying he doesn't care is pretty general..if you're referring to drilling in Alaska the environment will not be affected and is merely a scare tacktic of environmental nutjobs

***Hes a Pro-Death Sentence Pro-Lifer****

Not the same thing, one person committed a crime....the others only crime was being born to cowardly people

****He doesnt care about what the rest of the world thinks of us or how we interact with it, except militarily. He just said screw the kyoto treaty****

The Kyoto treaty was the dumbest attempt by environmental wackjobs to enforce their agenda. The treaty was VERY flawed and i believe only 2 (or about that many) countrys of very little relavence ratified it.....BTW Japan never ratified it..THEM BASTARDS!!

****The man basiccly tried to incite WW3 by calling out iraq, iran, and north korea ****

If you recall Reagan said the same thing about the U.S.S.R. and it was very on point. The same thing goes for them countries that fund terrorist cowards...those countries can barely take care of their own people let alone start WW3

****Lets not forget how bush got to be even governor. Basically his dad. Some kind of demented dynasty crap****

The same can be said for Gore and Kennedy

****I'm not a republican, but i would have voted for mcain***

Mckain is useless and flip flops his opinions worse than Klinton did. He's not a conservative but a liberal with an "R" next to his name.....i'm neither a Rebublicrate nor a Libbie

****When bush became the canidate, i lost alot of faith in this country****

and that didn't happen when Klinton was president?

****Invertigo, how can you call Nader and Gore "Socialist Nut-jobs" Espessially Nader, He Is a very intelligent man, that had alot of great ideas and acomplished more than bush did in his career without even being in office. ****

First off Gore is a Socialist nut-job that is a fact. As for Nadar that may be up for debate, the socialist part. However I hopoe Nadar runs again because it will keep the libbies from winning the whitehouse. I don't care for some of the thing Bush has done (like pandering to the libbies) but i would rather see him then the 2 you mentioned...

****Even though Bush has suprised me a bit here and there in a good way, such as the recent request for the israelis to withdraw from palestine ***

This is where I disagree with Bush. Isreal has a right to defend themselves just as we do..I say let them battle it out, whichever side wins, wins.

****Lets just hope we find Bin Laden and come to a stopping point with this "war on terror" so we can all be happy and avenged***

Bin Laden will not end the terrorist hunt



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Re: Declining Support for Bush [Re: Innvertigo]
    #604133 - 04/10/02 11:11 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Invertigo, have you ever been to Texas? I'm not saying that Bush is responsible for the envirnomental chaos there, just because he was the governer and so on. But there are certain aspects you are not considering. Like that, the native indians in alaska don't wish to be drilled, so either Bush can go kill them personally, and stick a knife to the land rights, or they can continue to preach no drilling.


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Re: Declining Support for Bush [Re: nugsarenice]
    #604151 - 04/10/02 11:34 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Declining Support for Bush [Re: nugsarenice]
    #604161 - 04/10/02 11:41 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Declining Support for Bush [Re: nugsarenice]
    #604165 - 04/10/02 11:51 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

****Invertigo, have you ever been to Texas? ****

As a matter of fact i have and intend on moving there some day..i love it.

****I'm not saying that Bush is responsible for the envirnomental chaos there, just because he was the governer and so on. But there are certain aspects you are not considering. ****

This has nothing to do with Texas...

****Like that, the native indians in alaska don't wish to be drilled, so either Bush can go kill them personally, and stick a knife to the land rights, or they can continue to preach no drilling. ****

If i'm not mistaken the drilling will be done on federal lands NOT Indian lands. As for the natives not wanting to be dilled, that is completly false. The Alaskans are in favor of drilling in Anwar (sp) to boost their economy.

When the Alaskan pipeline was put in it was said that it would kill the wildlife that live in the area when the fact is that the moose population increased due to the warmth of the pipe..less brutal due to the Alaskan environment...just another scare tactic from the environmental nut-jobs!!


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