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Bush goes to bat for special interest supporters, again.
    #2817904 - 06/22/04 06:39 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Bush to screen population for mental illness
Sweeping initiative links diagnoses to treatment with specific drugs
Posted: June 21, 2004
5:00 p.m. Eastern


? 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

President Bush plans to unveil next month a sweeping mental health initiative that recommends screening for every citizen and promotes the use of expensive antidepressants and antipsychotic drugs favored by supporters of the administration.

The New Freedom Initiative, according to a progress report, seeks to integrate mentally ill patients fully into the community by providing "services in the community, rather than institutions," the British Medical Journal reported.

Critics say the plan protects the profits of drug companies at the expense of the public.

The initiative began with Bush's launch in April 2002 of the New Freedom Commission on Mental Health, which conducted a "comprehensive study of the United States mental health service delivery system."

The panel found that "despite their prevalence, mental disorders often go undiagnosed" and recommended comprehensive mental health screening for "consumers of all ages," including preschool children.

The commission said, "Each year, young children are expelled from preschools and childcare facilities for severely disruptive behaviors and emotional disorders."

Schools, the panel concluded, are in a "key position" to screen the 52 million students and 6 million adults who work at the schools.

The commission recommended that the screening be linked with "treatment and supports," including "state-of-the-art treatments" using "specific medications for specific conditions."

The Texas Medication Algorithm Project, or TMAP, was held up by the panel as a "model" medication treatment plan that "illustrates an evidence-based practice that results in better consumer outcomes."

The TMAP -- started in 1995 as an alliance of individuals from the pharmaceutical industry, the University of Texas and the mental health and corrections systems of Texas -- also was praised by the American Psychiatric Association, which called for increased funding to implement the overall plan.

But the Texas project sparked controversy when a Pennsylvania government employee revealed state officials with influence over the plan had received money and perks from drug companies who stand to gain from it.

Allen Jones, an employee of the Pennsylvania Office of the Inspector General says in his whistleblower report the "political/pharmaceutical alliance" that developed the Texas project, which promotes the use of newer, more expensive antidepressants and antipsychotic drugs, was behind the recommendations of the New Freedom Commission, which were "poised to consolidate the TMAP effort into a comprehensive national policy to treat mental illness with expensive, patented medications of questionable benefit and deadly side effects, and to force private insurers to pick up more of the tab."

Jones points out, according to the British Medical Journal, companies that helped start the Texas project are major contributors to Bush's election funds. Also, some members of the New Freedom Commission have served on advisory boards for these same companies, while others have direct ties to TMAP.

Eli Lilly, manufacturer of olanzapine, one of the drugs recommended in the plan, has multiple ties to the Bush administration, BMJ says. The elder President Bush was a member of Lilly's board of directors and President Bush appointed Lilly's chief executive officer, Sidney Taurel, to the Homeland Security Council.

Of Lilly's $1.6 million in political contributions in 2000, 82 percent went to Bush and the Republican Party.

Another critic, Robert Whitaker, journalist and author of "Mad in America," told the British Medical Journal that while increased screening "may seem defensible," it could also be seen as "fishing for customers."

Exorbitant spending on new drugs "robs from other forms of care such as job training and shelter program," he said.

However, a developer of the Texas project, Dr. Graham Emslie, defends screening.

"There are good data showing that if you identify kids at an earlier age who are aggressive, you can intervene ... and change their trajectory."

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mental health is a good thing, but federalizing it at the cost of the taxpayers
and for the direct benefit of the pharmaceutical companies is sickening.


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Re: Bush goes to bat for special interest supporters, again. [Re: afoaf]
    #2817973 - 06/22/04 06:52 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Ya, who would think that the pharm companies would gain from this, therfor contributing to the cause? =b, sounds like a perfectly logical decision, the more money they make the better drugs they can produce.

And who dosent want to help those in need? This sounds more like a liberal plan then a conservative plan, this is a perfect example of Bush being more down the middle.


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Re: Bush goes to bat for special interest supporters, again. [Re: afoaf]
    #2817985 - 06/22/04 06:54 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

What's your point here?


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Re: Bush goes to bat for special interest supporters, again. [Re: afoaf]
    #2818006 - 06/22/04 06:58 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

...a sweeping mental health initiative that recommends screening for every citizen and promotes the use of expensive antidepressants and antipsychotic drugs...

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Re: Bush goes to bat for special interest supporters, again. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2818096 - 06/22/04 07:22 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

in short....

the idea is bad.

the motivation driving the idea is bad.

pharm companies have government by the sack.


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Re: Bush goes to bat for special interest supporters, again. [Re: afoaf]
    #2818100 - 06/22/04 07:24 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

let this be a reminder for everyone to vote.

vote bush out.

expensive (or even cheap) antipsychotics only turn people into zombies, a shadow of there former self. i know this. i can see them now, controling thousands of sheepish populace by saying that they "need" these "medications". they dont fix anything. they cover shit up so you cant deal with it properly.

vote everybody, i dont really care for who, but just give them your opinion.

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    #2818117 - 06/22/04 07:29 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

...turn people into zombies, a shadow of there former self. i know this... they cover shit up so you cant deal with it properly.

only illegal drugs do that.  :wink:


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Re: Bush goes to bat for special interest supporters, again. [Re: afoaf]
    #2818130 - 06/22/04 07:32 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

So you say, and I agree, that the government should not be involved in the mental health of the nation's people. Just trying to find your point. Pharm companies may have us by the sack (If we piss them off too much they'll stop developing drugs. That'll show us).
But you know what, they made the shit, generics are available and fuck you if you don't want to pay. If nobody will pay, there will be NO DRUGS. Ask your dealer.


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Re: Bush goes to bat for special interest supporters, again. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2818136 - 06/22/04 07:34 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Anyway, why does this thread have the title it does????? Kerry's the fucking socialist that this evinces the most


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Re: Bush goes to bat for special interest supporters, again. [Re: Todcasil]
    #2818137 - 06/22/04 07:35 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Todcasil said:
let this be a reminder for everyone to vote.

vote bush out.




Maybe Kerry could use the slogan "I don't care about the mentally ill!"

or

"Screw the 'tards, I won't give money to large corporations to develop new medicines!"
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expensive (or even cheap) antipsychotics only turn people into zombies, a shadow of there former self. i know this. i can see them now, controling thousands of sheepish populace by saying that they "need" these "medications". they dont fix anything. they cover shit up so you cant deal with it properly.




If their "former self" is, say, a transgender serial killing axe murderer, whats the problem?

I think we have a new tin foil hat thread.


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Re: Bush goes to bat for special interest supporters, again. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2818202 - 06/22/04 07:55 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
So you say, and I agree, that the government should not be involved in the mental health of the nation's people. Just trying to find your point. Pharm companies may have us by the sack (If we piss them off too much they'll stop developing drugs. That'll show us).
But you know what, they made the shit, generics are available and fuck you if you don't want to pay. If nobody will pay, there will be NO DRUGS. Ask your dealer.






So what's your point?


Do you think this entitles them to do whatever they want to do including fraudulenly assaulting people with chemical weapons?


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Re: Bush goes to bat for special interest supporters, again. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2818213 - 06/22/04 07:59 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

What the fuck are you talking about?????


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Re: Bush goes to bat for special interest supporters, again. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2818226 - 06/22/04 08:01 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I don't mean to flame, but your a fucking loon, in need of all the drugs that the industry can develop to get you grounded.


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Re: Bush goes to bat for special interest supporters, again. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2818238 - 06/22/04 08:04 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

That's right, drugs are the answer.


You should meditate for fourteen days and call me in the morning.


Now answer the question: Do you think that a people's dependance upon an industry entitles the purveyors of that industry to behave in any way that they see fit?


Does it entitle them to get away with fraud?


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Re: Bush goes to bat for special interest supporters, again. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2818257 - 06/22/04 08:08 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I eagerly await my dosage


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Re: Bush goes to bat for special interest supporters, again. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2818290 - 06/22/04 08:17 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I think that you are borderline paranoid and in need of the drugs if you think that there is an international drug cabal conspiracy to medicate the planet. And I definitely think that without a financial incentive, there will be no drug research to speak of at all. Fraud tolerated? No, they should be held accountable for deliberate fraud. They should even be held accountable for negligent acts. You're position that they are inherently evil is insane, though. Fuck you, you do it, you make the drugs. Come on Hitler, the world begs for your scientific insights and benevolent leadership


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Re: Bush goes to bat for special interest supporters, again. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2818304 - 06/22/04 08:21 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Baby_Hitler said:
Now answer the question: Do you think that a people's dependance upon an industry entitles the purveyors of that industry to behave in any way that they see fit?




Yes
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Does it entitle them to get away with fraud?



Yes.

Does your grasp of enlightement allow you to simply make things up out of news stories? Do you beat your wife with your left or your right hand?


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Re: Bush goes to bat for special interest supporters, again. [Re: germin8tionn8ion]
    #2818315 - 06/22/04 08:23 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Do you beat your wife with your left or your right hand?




I would just like to take the time to point out that as an independant, only conservatives have insulted me. that is all.

make your own conclusions, i offer none


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Re: Bush goes to bat for special interest supporters, again. [Re: germin8tionn8ion]
    #2818323 - 06/22/04 08:24 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

To anybody who thinks these drugs are only bad, you have no idea what you are talking about. Anti-depressents, as with anti-psycotics, are a hit or miss drug. Anti-depressents almost always do much more good then harm, but you have to find which one is good for you. And anti-psycotics, some people desperatly need them or else they cannot control anything inside their heads.


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Re: Bush goes to bat for special interest supporters, again. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2818326 - 06/22/04 08:25 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

"deliberate fraud" is all I am accusing them of.


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