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Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients
    #2597137 - 04/24/04 03:48 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Washington -- The Bush administration yesterday asked the U.S. Supreme Court to reverse a federal appellate court ruling protecting medical marijuana patients and caregivers from prosecution by the federal government.
If the high court agrees to take the case, the safety and well-being of tens of thousands of patients in states that have enacted medical marijuana laws will hang in the balance.

The case, known as Ashcroft v. Raich, was funded in part by the Washington, D.C.-based Marijuana Policy Project (MPP). Patients Angel McClary Raich and Diane Monson and their caregivers argued that because their medical marijuana activities are completely non-commercial and conducted entirely within California, the Commerce Clause as well as the Fifth, Ninth, and Tenth Amendments of the U.S. Constitution give the federal government no right to intervene.

In a ruling issued December 16, 2003, the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals agreed, holding that the "cultivation, possession, and use of marijuana for medicinal purposes and not for exchange or distribution is not properly characterized as commercial or economic activity" -- and is thus not a matter of federal concern.

The case has already had an impact in federal courtrooms within the Ninth Circuit. Also on April 21, U.S. District Judge Jeremy Fogel issued an injunction protecting the Wo/Men's Alliance for Medical Marijuana (WAMM) in Santa Cruz from federal attacks, citing Raich as the basis for his ruling.

"We are disappointed, but not surprised, that Attorney General Ashcroft has chosen to ask the Supreme Court for what amounts to a license to attack the sick," said MPP Executive Director Rob Kampia. "This administration has waged a war against medical marijuana patients that is completely unrestrained by science, compassion or sound legal principles.

Conservatives should be appalled that the Justice Department is arguing that two patients and their caregivers, growing and using medical marijuana within California -- using California seeds, California soil, California water and California equipment, and engaging in no commercial activity whatsoever -- are somehow engaged in 'interstate commerce.'

"We hope the Supreme Court will let the Ninth Circuit's decision stand," Kampia added, "but seriously ill patients shouldn't have to depend on the courts for protection. Congress can and should end this cruel federal war on the sick immediately."


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Swami]
    #2597180 - 04/24/04 04:21 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Yet another reason to vote Libertarian rather than Democrat or Republican.

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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Phred]
    #2597232 - 04/24/04 05:26 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Or don't vote at all coz then nobody will be president and we can all do what we want.


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Swami]
    #2597467 - 04/24/04 10:46 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

As a MMJ activist,patient and caregiver I am one of those specificly targeted by my own goverment. This in spite of the fact I am entirely within the law of my state.
Is this the brand of "homeland security" that GW is offering?If so, I can assure you my neighbors feel more secure knowing I am next door like an overprotective pitbull than they would if our public servants came and took me away.I can only look at it one way, if they come at least then I'll have health care because prison is the only place I can get it now after a triple bypass.
Don't you all swell with pride at where we've ended up? :rolleyes:
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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: whiterasta]
    #2597478 - 04/24/04 11:00 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

my good friends mom is a medical marijuana paitent. she had her house raided by city cops. it was really sad, they had no reason to take her plants. she was well within the legal limit. washington has a 72 plant limit, she had three. the cops gave her one hour to find her papers, keep in mind she is 61 years old and has had two seperate major head traumas. when she couldnt find her papers they took all three of the plants she had :frown: now she is back in the hospitable with another head tramua, at least they let her medicate there. they just turn their backs and let her son take her out to the car which is kinda cool. the cops around here are quite shitty :frown: just keep that in mind if ya ever visit vancouver wa


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: whiterasta]
    #2597606 - 04/24/04 12:30 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

That sucks WR.  :crying: (Notice how quiet the Bush proponents will be on this...)

Last year there was a prohibitionist congressman (no reference - sorry) who turned around after his mom got seriously ill. Guess other people's sick moms were just drug abusers and rate no sympathy!  :shake: That is sad that it has to hit home for these compassionate, born-again, self-righteous terrorists to wake up.

It is ironic how we can look to the past and say how primitive or stupid an idea was, but cannot see it (well, some of us cannot see it) when we are going through it. Someday, although too late for many, this era will be looked upon in total disbelief for it's archaic ideology and brutality towards its peace-loving citizens.


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Swami]
    #2597702 - 04/24/04 01:07 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I don't know about you guys, but I sure sleep better at night knowing that Ashcroft is keeping us safe from hookers, bongmakers and people who smoke the evil dreaded ganja! Errr...too bad he cut counterterrorism funding before 9-11, but you know, they needed the money for the New Orleans prostitution sting. See, after a whole YEAR, they found hookers in New Orleans! Isn't that amazing?

Ashcroft is the sorriest excuse for an AG this country has ever had. There should be a federal statute that says if you lose an election to a DEAD MAN, you can never serve in government again.


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: LucidDream]
    #2597754 - 04/24/04 01:26 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

El Dorado County sheriff's Lt. Les Lovell said while on a recent patrol he encountered a person with an ounce of marijuana for medical purposes. Lovell admitted it took some time getting used to letting people go who possessed the drug. "It's unusual for me being somewhat old school," he said.

*Swami added*

Lovell continued, "I like busting stoners because they are docile and rarely put up a fight. I can easily make my arrest quota without having to put myself at risk or do any real police work. Damn, I sure am gonna miss that!"


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Swami]
    #2597767 - 04/24/04 01:31 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

What was Clinton's policy on MMJ?

I forget.


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2597804 - 04/24/04 01:45 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not sure what Clinton thought, but I think it's interesting that our current AG isn't hiding evidence about the FBI shooting into a burning building filled with women and children.

Lucid_Dreams - Do you think that the actions undertaken by Ashcroft (a scumbag, in all truth) make him worse than the actions taken by Reno? I'm not trying to make Ashcroft sound like a 'good guy', however, he surely isn't the worst we've EVER had.


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: germin8tionn8ion]
    #2597851 - 04/24/04 01:54 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I think John Ashcroft is a good guy trying to do his job but he is just so completely wrong. I don't like all the personal attacks on the guy, but when it comes to drug prosecution I really wish we had somebody else.  :thumbdown:

I'm not voting for Kerry but if he wins at least I will have something to look forward to. Hopefully anyway.


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2597853 - 04/24/04 01:55 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

> What was Clinton's policy on MMJ?

He smoked, but didn't inhale. The number of people that were sent to prison during Clintons administration for non-violent cannabis related charges was obsecene. Much worse than the Regan and 1st Bush years combined. I was shocked when I saw the numbers... I would have thought Clinton's administration would have been a bit kinder, but it wasn't. President Carter was the only president in modern history that has tried to legalize, or at least decriminalize drug use.


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2597862 - 04/24/04 01:58 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Ashcroft deserves to die slowly of cancer.


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2597872 - 04/24/04 02:00 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

> Ashcroft deserves to die slowly of cancer.

Without pain medication.  :devil:


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Seuss]
    #2597928 - 04/24/04 02:12 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Other things Ascroft deserves:


Glaucoma
Multiple Sclerosis
head trauma
AIDS*
Bi-Polar Disorder
Fibromyalgia

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/3385422.htm?1c

Missouri state Sen. Harry Wiggins, for one, recalls a meeting with Ashcroft and a group of Kansas City community leaders when he was governor. The group had tried for months to see the governor about funding to keep open Kansas City's only hospice for AIDS patients.

As the meeting began, Wiggins recalled, Ashcroft appeared uninterested until he focused on the facility being a ``home,'' not a hospital.

``Then you have my attention,'' the governor said, according to Wiggins. ``I'm looking for where it is cheapest to send them to die.''

Wiggins said: ``Governor, that's not what we're here for. These are human beings.'' Ashcroft replied, ``Their pain and suffering is a result of their own misconduct.''


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2598204 - 04/24/04 03:37 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, Ashcroft is quite a bastard.

Why isn't Luv and Mr Mushrooms defending the Bush administration now? Surely this is a logical course of action, we just haven't been able to see that without some sturdy minded republicans telling us why we need to be protected from 80 year old cancer patients who can barely get out of bed in the morning or keep their medicine down.

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These are good times we live in. Let the terrorists who've killed thousands slide by, but those medical patients who legally smoke marijuana need to be arrested for the good of the nation


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Ravus]
    #2598230 - 04/24/04 03:45 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

The most recent admistration that compares favorably to the Bush administration is the Carter administration.


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2598277 - 04/24/04 03:59 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

This is old news but Ashcroft is a Christian Baptist nut ball. He wanted all of the paintings in the Capital that were nude to be covered up.  His agenda is  a simple one,  anyone who does not agree with me will go to jail.  Please people get out and vote Bush needs to go, not  so  much  because of  him,  but his administration.  :frown:


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Ravus]
    #2598325 - 04/24/04 04:15 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Yes, Ashcroft is quite a bastard.




In most ways, yes.

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Why isn't Luv and Mr Mushrooms defending the Bush administration now?




Some people don't associate their egoic self with political administrations. I don't know either of these two members political alliances totally, but I don't think that supporting Bush in some ways means that they anchor their egos to the image of being a "bush supporter", and support him come hell or high water. Thats just my take on it. Being open and flexible is much better than being trapped into a political dogma of extremism and close-mindedness.
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Surely this is a logical course of action, we just haven't been able to see that without some sturdy minded republicans telling us why we need to be protected from 80 year old cancer patients who can barely get out of bed in the morning or keep their medicine down.




Again, simply because someone supports some platforms or actions of a particular politician, doesn't mean that they associate themselves with that politican in solidarity on every platform that they have. Can you name any political figure that you agree with in every way, shape, or form?
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These are good times we live in. Let the terrorists who've killed thousands slide by, but those medical patients who legally smoke marijuana need to be arrested for the good of the nation



As sad as that is, it's the current law. Were you jumping in support when Clinton, in the last dying gasp of his presidency, issued a pardon for a cocaine smuggler for a financial contrbution?


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: germin8tionn8ion]
    #2598332 - 04/24/04 04:21 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Some people don't associate their egoic self with political administrations. I don't know either of these two members political alliances totally, but I don't think that supporting Bush in some ways means that they anchor their egos to the image of being a "bush supporter", and support him come hell or high water. Thats just my take on it. Being open and flexible is much better than being trapped into a political dogma of extremism and close-mindedness.




So Bush creating enemies with the international community isn't highwater? Lying to hundreds of millions of Americans and creating an unnecessary war isn't highwater? I wouldn't have picked them out but they seem to support Bush on all matters, so I wanted to see their take on this.

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Again, simply because someone supports some platforms or actions of a particular politician, doesn't mean that they associate themselves with that politican in solidarity on every platform that they have. Can you name any political figure that you agree with in every way, shape, or form?




It's not a matter of completly agreeing with them, but if you were a socialist and agreed with Hitler on that, it doesn't mean that you should support it when he started killing Jews and gays and such. Bush is arresting medical patients who have need of marijuana and putting them in jail for it. This isn't just some minor thing, it's a major flaw and disappointment for the administration to see anyone sink so low, and since they support Bush so often they shouldn't have need of denying or ignoring this thread, just as I wouldn't ignore a thread if Kerry did the same. Political leaders should never be allowed off the hook with such atrocities.

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As sad as that is, it's the current law. Were you jumping in support when Clinton, in the last dying gasp of his presidency, issued a pardon for a cocaine smuggler for a financial contrbution?




That doesn't bother me half as much as what Bush is doing, though I didn't support Clinton much then either


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Ravus]
    #2598398 - 04/24/04 05:01 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Why isn't Luv and Mr Mushrooms defending the Bush administration now?



What an incredibly stupid comment.

I don't defend, I point out the errors in the comments I see here. Plus, I think all drugs should be legal.

Try to say less moronic things in the future.


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2598439 - 04/24/04 05:18 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

What an incredibly stupid comment. I don't defend, I point out the errors in the comments I see here.

Very cool.  :thumbup: It is erroneous to lump millions of people together into single-minded camps when the issues and viewpoints vary dramatically.

But wait then, that is contrary to your sig: "Liberals believe in virtually every conspiracy under the sun..."

See if you can point out the error.  :thumbdown:


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Swami]
    #2598462 - 04/24/04 05:29 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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But wait then, that is contrary to your sig: "Liberals believe in virtually every conspiracy under the sun..."

See if you can point out the error.  :thumbdown:




He was posting a quote that he could simply agree with the intent of, not the whole of.  Any grouping or generalization usually is incorrect.


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Swami]
    #2598591 - 04/24/04 06:54 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I see, so I said every comment I see here is in error?

Grow up.

I see an error in your assumption. What a surprise.


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Swami]
    #2598619 - 04/24/04 07:14 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I always am quite amused with people still hung up on Bubba:lol:
FUCKING NEWS FLASH! he was a politician,which makes him by nature two faced.He beat G. Sr so G. Sr could lay the ground work for G.Jr with eight fantastic years of "cover" to work with.Yes, while most were waching the lurid details of a white stained blue dress PNAC was setting the stage for imposing their "vision" for us all.They(PNAC) have much invested in this venture hence the help of one of PNAC's charter members(Jeb) in securing the election.
Question; How long will it be Bubba's fault? And why don't ya'll do your homework on PoppaBush?
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    #2598633 - 04/24/04 07:27 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Germin8tionst8tion,and Luvvie. Please weigh in on the original topic please. I very much would like to here your views on Bush's attack on MMJ, but please refrain from comparisons with equally onerous views expressed by the alleged "opposing" party. In other words what do you think in YOUR terms of his acts.
Also, while the previous administrations hypocritical persicution of Cannabis is inexcusable,is not the further escalation to warfare on the sick and disabled an order of magnitude above being "tough on drugs"?
How do Ya'll feel about the precipitous loss of your Constitutional rights?
I am sorry I just cannot put Bubba's eight years aside he was a better president than either Bush and Reagan too IMHO of course :wink:
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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: whiterasta]
    #2598685 - 04/24/04 08:07 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Germin8tionst8tion,and Luvvie. Please weigh in on the original topic please. I very much would like to here your views on Bush's attack on MMJ, but please refrain from comparisons with equally onerous views expressed by the alleged "opposing" party. In other words what do you think in YOUR terms of his acts.



 

I think it's horrible that he'd refuse medicine to people.  Marijuana is awesome, both for "recreation" and medicine.  I think he is just like most other politicans, he'd do drugs, and condone his own kids dong (certain) drugs, but as long as the demagogueic platform reflects the "drugs are bad, mmkay" position, they'll be against them.
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Also, while the previous administrations hypocritical persicution of Cannabis is inexcusable,is not the further escalation to warfare on the sick and disabled an order of magnitude above being "tough on drugs"?




http://www.ukcia.org/research/no-research.htm
http://www.ukcia.org/research/no-mmj-research
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9702/weed.wars/issues/background/htm
http://www.marijuana.org/SJMercuryNews10-30-02.htm
  The Bush and Clinton administrations have fought to preserve the right to go after doctors who recommend pot to patients, prompting the ACLU to sue in San Francisco federal court.
Escalation would be doing MORE than previous administrations, not dong the same thing.
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Honestly, it doesnt' affect me that much.  When I was but a young lad, I did get in a spot o' trouble with the law over marijuana. Since then I've developed reliable contacts and smoke in safe places.  Their stupid laws have no bearing on how I get my doh-ja fix in :smile:
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I am sorry I just cannot put Bubba's eight years aside he was a better president than either Bush and Reagan too IMHO of course :wink:
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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: germin8tionn8ion]
    #2598724 - 04/24/04 08:31 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I think the whole medical marijuana thing is a little ridiculous. Just legalize it! It shouldn't be legal for cancer patients and nobody else. It should be legal for everyone over 18.

Besides, the medical marijuana thing seems a little silly in the case of lung cancer patients.


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2598740 - 04/24/04 08:41 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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I think the whole medical marijuana thing is a little ridiculous. Just legalize it! It shouldn't be legal for cancer patients and nobody else. It should be legal for everyone over 18.

Besides, the medical marijuana thing seems a little silly in the case of lung cancer patients.




Agreed. Our government will allow extracts and similar compositions from the p. somniferium plant to be used for medicine, without allowing it's more "narcotic" counterparts (heroin, for example) to be legal. If you don't make it legal for everyone, jesus, at least make it legal for sick people. I don't care if it's legal or not, as long as I've got the sun, I'm gonna have marijuana. Growing pot outdoors is so easy the first time. Save your bag seeds for a summer, fall, winter and get them ready for spring. Few hundred seeds? plant them in groups of 3-5, don't get caught. Even if you harvest only a few pounds of pot, hell, ya got a few lbs of doh-ja!


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: whiterasta]
    #2598751 - 04/24/04 08:48 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Nobody's "hung up on bubba" The point is that Bush is not a special case. He sucks just like everybody else (except carter).

The big question is: What will Kerry do differently?


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    #2598770 - 04/24/04 08:57 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

From www.norml.org :


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Decriminalization

US Senator John Kerry (D-MA) is on record voicing mild support for the removal of criminal penalties for the possession of marijuana for personal use. In a November 2003 interview with Rolling Stone Magazine, Kerry said he has little problem with the responsible use of marijuana by adults, stating: "I've met plenty of people in my lifetime who've used marijuana and who I would not qualify as serious addicts -- who use about the same amount as some people drink beer or wine or have a cocktail. I don't get too excited by any of that." However, when asked whether he supported decriminalizing the possession and use of marijuana as a public policy, he replied: "No, not quite. What we did in the prosecutor's office was have a sort of unspoken approach to marijuana that was almost effectively decriminalization. We just didn't bother with small-time use. It doesn't rise to the level of nuisance, even. And what we were after was people dealing with heroin and destroying lives, and people who were killing people. That's where you need to focus."

When asked during a live November 2003 debate on CNN whether he'd ever smoked marijuana, Kerry responded that he had.


Medical Marijuana

Kerry is on record voicing mild support for the legalization of marijuana for medicinal purposes. Speaking in January 2004 at the New Hampshire College Convention, Kerry said he opposed federally prosecuting medical marijuana patients who reside in states that have legalized its use. However, Kerry stopped short of endorsing marijuana's therapeutic use, stating (as summarized by the Associated Press), "he wanted to wait for the completion of a study to see what other alternatives might be available ... before deciding whether to legalize it in all states."

As a Senator, Kerry has been supportive of statewide medical marijuana reform efforts in his home state of Massachusetts. He praised legislation approved by the Massachusetts legislature in 1996 that sought to establish a medicinal marijuana therapeutic research program, and most recently, he wrote a letter to the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) in support of a University of Massachusetts Amherst proposal to manufacture marijuana for FDA-approved medical marijuana research.


Repealing the Drug Offender Exclusionary Provision from the Federal Higher Education Act

Kerry is on record supporting the partial repeal of a 1998 provision to the federal Higher Education Act (HEA) that bars convicted marijuana and drug offenders from receiving financial student aid. Speaking in January 2004 at the New Hampshire College Convention, Kerry responded to questioning from the organization, Students for Sensible Drug Policy, by stating that his position depends on the type of drug offense. "If the offense is use, yes," he said. But "if the offense is selling, no."


Industrial Hemp

Kerry has not taken a public position regarding the legalization of industrial hemp, despite publicly promising to do so at the January 2004 College Convention in New Hampshire. In addition, he failed to respond to a 2004 survey by the organization Vote Hemp, even after the group extended their deadline to accommodate Kerry's staff.






As opposed to Bush:

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Decriminalization

President George W. Bush has not voiced support for the removal of criminal penalties for the possession of marijuana for personal use. To date, his administration has overseen more than 700,000 marijuana arrests per year, nearly 90 percent of which have been for simple possession only. In addition, the Bush administration has levied significant political pressure upon Canada's Parliament to persuade them to reject a federal proposal to decriminalize small amounts of marijuana in that country. The administration has also led an unprecedented domestic crackdown on businesses that sell glass pipes and other items associated with marijuana smoking, and handed down criminal indictments against their owners, including noted actor Tommy Chong.


Medical Marijuana

Bush is on record strongly opposing the legalization of marijuana for medicinal purposes, despite promising as a candidate in 2000 to let states decide the issue without federal interference. The Bush administration has launched numerous federal raids against medicinal marijuana patients and dispensaries in states that have legalized its use. In addition, administration officials have aggressively campaigned against local and state proposals seeking to protect patients who use marijuana as a medicine. The Bush administration has also appealed court decisions barring qualified patients from federal prosecution, and upholding a physician's right to discuss marijuana therapy with their patients.


Repealing the Drug Offender Exclusionary Provision from the Federal Higher Education Act

Bush instructed the Department of Education to vigorously enforce a seldom used 1998 provision to the federal Higher Education Act (HEA) that bars convicted marijuana and drug offenders from receiving financial student aid. As a result, approximately 50,000 citizens have been denied federal student aid annually under the Bush presidency.


Industrial Hemp

Bush has not voiced support for allowing farmers to legally cultivate industrial hemp. In response to the question: "Does the President favor the legalization of industrial hemp?" posed at a July 16, 2001 White House briefing, a spokesman for Bush said the President has not made "any statements ... that would lend one to reach that conclusion." The Bush administration also backed efforts by the Drug Enforcement Administration to ban edible hemp foods. He received a failing grade on the Vote Hemp 2004 Presidential Candidate Report Card.






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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Ravus]
    #2598813 - 04/24/04 09:16 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I've seen that.

What was Clinton's and Bush's supposed positions on the issue before they were elected?


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2598828 - 04/24/04 09:25 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Most people have seen it, but skip over it. Actions speak louder than words, and the fact that he's praised legislation in Masschusetts and has even written a letter to the DEA to support the UMass proposal to grow medical marijuana is quite a step in the right direction.

I don't know Clinton's position on it before election though, and Bush's has mainly stayed the same. I seriously doubt anything would change Bush's position, unless maybe his wife was dying of cancer and needed it. Fundamental Christians as a group are a rather stubborn bunch


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Swami]
    #2599619 - 04/25/04 01:52 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

*Waits for the conservatives' view on this*

*crickets chirping*


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: ]
    #2600010 - 04/25/04 04:42 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Try reading the thread.


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2600072 - 04/25/04 05:42 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I did read the thread. Except for pinky's statement about voting libertarian, I didn't really see any views on it from the right. I have a hard time keeping track of everyone's political leanings, so there may have been some righties views on it.


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: ]
    #2601313 - 04/25/04 04:03 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

In summary: It sucks, but no more than usual.


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: ]
    #2601877 - 04/25/04 08:01 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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I did read the thread. Except for pinky's statement about voting libertarian, I didn't really see any views on it from the right. I have a hard time keeping track of everyone's political leanings, so there may have been some righties views on it.




would call myself fairly right leaning. Read my post. Luvdemshrooms and germin8tionn8tion seem to be at least right leaning libertarians.

I think the MMJ thing is pretty ridiculous. However, just because Bush and Ashcroft are completely wrong on this issue, and their policies misguided doesn't mean I think they are horrible people, and it doesn't change my views on everyting else.

IMO the medical marijuana thing is peripheral as what is really important is legal marijuana for EVERYONE. It would be pretty funny to see some lung cancer patient trying to get a prescription for weed. cough, cough.


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: germin8tionn8ion]
    #2604580 - 04/26/04 02:29 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not sure what Clinton thought, but I think it's interesting that our current AG isn't hiding evidence about the FBI shooting into a burning building filled with women and children.

Lucid_Dreams - Do you think that the actions undertaken by Ashcroft (a scumbag, in all truth) make him worse than the actions taken by Reno? I'm not trying to make Ashcroft sound like a 'good guy', however, he surely isn't the worst we've EVER had.


keep it on topic...

why is it that people still insist on believing
that criticism against the current government
somehow also implies praise for the democrats.

pull your head out of your partisan asses.

Reno was a cunt like Ashcroft is a cunt.

They both did and are doing a horrible job defending
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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2605114 - 04/26/04 04:55 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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IMO the medical marijuana thing is peripheral as what is really important is legal marijuana for EVERYONE.




Can you really say that it is more important for the average Joe to get high, than for sick people to have access to medicine. Personally, I couldn't care less if anyone on the face of the earth, ever gets to get high again as long as effective drugs are available to the sick.


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: afoaf]
    #2605379 - 04/26/04 06:03 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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why is it that people still insist on believing
that criticism against the current government
somehow also implies praise for the democrats.




The criticism seemed to paint Bush as the only anti-pot president. That is incorrect.
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Reno was a cunt like Ashcroft is a cunt.

They both did and are doing a horrible job defending
this nation's constitution.



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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Ekstaza]
    #2605438 - 04/26/04 06:13 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Can you really say that it is more important for the average Joe to get high, than for sick people to have access to medicine. Personally, I couldn't care less if anyone on the face of the earth, ever gets to get high again as long as effective drugs are available to the sick.




I'm not saying that healthy people getting high is more important than cancer patients, I'm saying stop beating around the bush with medical marijuana and just legalize it. I support medical marijuana, but I think the real issue is just getting the stuff legal, so why stop with sick people?

It seems that most people I know support medical marijuana because they really just want it legal. Sure they sympathize with sick patients, but they would never have latched onto the cause if they weren't opposed to the criminalization of weed in the first place. I just ask that they stop pretending its just about cancer patients, its about everyone.


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: germin8tionn8ion]
    #2605644 - 04/27/04 09:45 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

afoaf said:
why is it that people still insist on believing
that criticism against the current government
somehow also implies praise for the democrats.




The criticism seemed to paint Bush as the only anti-pot president. That is incorrect.
Quote:


Reno was a cunt like Ashcroft is a cunt.

They both did and are doing a horrible job defending
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:thumbup:




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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: whiterasta]
    #2605862 - 04/27/04 11:23 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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whiterasta said:
Quote:

germin8tionn8ion said:
Quote:

afoaf said:
why is it that people still insist on believing
that criticism against the current government
somehow also implies praise for the democrats.




The criticism seemed to paint Bush as the only anti-pot president. That is incorrect.
Quote:


Reno was a cunt like Ashcroft is a cunt.

They both did and are doing a horrible job defending
this nation's constitution.



:thumbup:




:thumbup: :thumbup:
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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: germin8tionn8ion]
    #2606262 - 04/27/04 02:12 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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whiterasta said:
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germin8tionn8ion said:
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afoaf said:
why is it that people still insist on believing
that criticism against the current government
somehow also implies praise for the democrats.




The criticism seemed to paint Bush as the only anti-pot president. That is incorrect.
Quote:


Reno was a cunt like Ashcroft is a cunt.

They both did and are doing a horrible job defending
this nation's constitution.



:thumbup:




:thumbup: :thumbup:
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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2606548 - 04/27/04 03:23 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Although you and I may know many people that support the legalization of pot(or the decriminalization of pot, which I favor), the vast majority of Americans, especially the ones that vote, don't or won't admit it. Making a precedence by gaining ground and acquiring more rights to explore new areas of concern is important. We need to choose our battles very carefully in order to gain popular support.


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2607772 - 04/27/04 08:07 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

It's important that the sick be able to get the medicine that they need.

Personally I no longer care whether marijuana is ever legalized or not.


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    #2607831 - 04/27/04 08:15 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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It's important that the sick be able to get the medicine that they need.

Personally I no longer care whether marijuana is ever legalized or not. 



Bravo BH! that is a profoundly honest and accurate assesment of my own feelings also.
However illegality and concerted persicution are two different things. Speeding is illegal yet we all have at one time or another, suppose one was imprisoned for it?
Your first statement however leaves no room for ANY debate, again, BRAVO!
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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: whiterasta]
    #2608381 - 04/27/04 10:08 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I have often stated that if traffic laws were scaled to proportion with drug laws as far as how much punishment is given out in relation to how much threat to society is created, then we would see people getting 10 years for running a red light or passing on a double yellow line, and 3-5 years for driving 55mph in a 35mph zone.


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