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Bush to ask UN to help support postwar Iraq...
    #1943787 - 09/23/03 11:18 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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NEW YORK - U.S. President George W. Bush is expected to ask the United Nations Tuesday to support the U.S. plan for a steady transition to Iraqi self-government.

Bush will speak at the opening of the 58th UN General Assembly session. He is expected to "stress the international community's opportunity and responsibility to help the people of Iraq and Afghanistan rebuild their countries," National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice said Monday night.
"He will also discuss the many ways the world will benefit from an Iraq and Afghanistan that are free, prosperous, modern and democratic," she said.

Bush may also reveal he has asked the president of the Iraqi Governing Council to prepare a timetable for transition to democracy.

Bush is expected to resist France's proposal to transfer sovereignty over Iraq to the Iraqi people as soon as possible.

Iraq must first write a new constitution and hold elections before the U.S. will cede control, Rice said.

Bush and French President Jacques Chirac will meet Tuesday. Chirac has said his country will not veto a planned UN resolution asking for more troops and financial support.

He said France might offer to train Iraqi police and soldiers but will not contribute any troops.

In a prepared address for Tuesday's opening of the General Assembly, UN Secretary General Kofi Annan urged nations to put aside their views on the Iraq war and unite to ensure stability and democracy in the country.

"Let me reaffirm the great importance I attach to a successful outcome in Iraq," Annan said.

"Subject to security considerations, the United Nations system is prepared to play its full part in working for a satisfactory outcome in Iraq, and to do so as part of an effort by the whole international community."

But Annan criticized the "pre-emptive" attack on Iraq, saying it could set precedents that resulted in a proliferation of the unilateral and lawless use of force, with or without credible justification."


So let me get this straight...Bush defies the U.N. by launching a pre-emptive attack against Iraq, then has the stones to ask for the U.N.'s help once he realizes that the U.S. can't do it alone....What an asshole.



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Re: Bush to ask UN to help support postwar Iraq... [Re: Rono]
    #1943794 - 09/23/03 11:23 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Actually, you have not gotten it straight at all. The new resolution would allow member nations to contribute to the rebuilding efforts in Iraq. It also asks the governing council, the Iraqis themselves, to come up with a timeline for creating a Constitution, and holding elections. The French 'proposal' is completely assinine. They want to turn over control of the country to a non-existant government.


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Re: Bush to ask UN to help support postwar Iraq... [Re: shakta]
    #1943797 - 09/23/03 11:26 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Indeed.


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Re: Bush to ask UN to help support postwar Iraq... [Re: shakta]
    #1943801 - 09/23/03 11:28 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Okay...then please answer the following questions yes or no

Did Bush defy the U.N. and launch a pre-emptive strike against Iraq?
Is Bush now asking for help from the U.N. to help rebuild Iraq?

Seems pretty clear cut to me...


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Re: Bush to ask UN to help support postwar Iraq... [Re: Rono]
    #1943814 - 09/23/03 11:32 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

He's asking the rest of the world to participate in stabilizing Iraq, and subsequently the region. Or thats how its supposed to work.


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    #1943816 - 09/23/03 11:33 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I understand that...and of course the rest of the world will help. But my point is that why is he now asking for the support of the U.N. if he wanted nothing to do with them when he attacked Iraq?


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Re: Bush to ask UN to help support postwar Iraq... [Re: Rono]
    #1943825 - 09/23/03 11:40 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

He did want something to do with the UN. That is why he went to them in the first place. After 1441 he decided, along with the rest of the Coalition, that action had to be taken against Saddam, and that the UN was never going to take that action. I think a lot of Americans, including myself, got really pissed at the UN because of that. I don't think the President ever called for it to be disbanded or anything like that though. He has said all along that the UN has an important role to play in Iraq. Yesterday he said that he would like to see the UN help the Iraqis create their Constitution, and supervise elections. I think that is a great idea personally. It would help give the new government worldwide legitimacy.


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Re: Bush to ask UN to help support postwar Iraq... [Re: shakta]
    #1943844 - 09/23/03 11:50 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

So did he or did he not defy the U.N.?...yes or no.


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Re: Bush to ask UN to help support postwar Iraq... [Re: Rono]
    #1943855 - 09/23/03 11:53 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Of course he did. Are you saying that we should never work with the UN again because of one difference in opinion though? That wouldn't be very productive would it?


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Re: Bush to ask UN to help support postwar Iraq... [Re: shakta]
    #1943871 - 09/23/03 12:02 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

No...I'm saying that Bush is only supportive of the U.N. when it serves his needs. Would you disagree with that statement?


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Re: Bush to ask UN to help support postwar Iraq... [Re: Rono]
    #1943895 - 09/23/03 12:12 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I'd agree with that,
doesn't mean anything tho, for anybody to do something there has to be an incentive.


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Re: Bush to ask UN to help support postwar Iraq... [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #1943898 - 09/23/03 12:15 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

You don't find his actions somewhat hipocritical? the U.N now has to funnel it's resources into cleaning up a mess that it was against in the first place....


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Re: Bush to ask UN to help support postwar Iraq... [Re: Rono]
    #1943909 - 09/23/03 12:21 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

It depends what way you look at it. Bush went to war without UN support which, in a way, undermined the authority (if they ever had any that is...) UN.
Now the UN has a chance to help restore freedom and independance to Iraq, IMO Bush shouldn't have to ask the UN should do its job for once...


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Re: Bush to ask UN to help support postwar Iraq... [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #1943933 - 09/23/03 12:33 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Wage wars of aggression against helpless countries - get treated like an international pariah.

That's the treatment Bush dished out to Iraq, let him taste some of the same. Right now it's time for sanctions against the US, not time for helping Bush out of the hole he's in.


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Re: Bush to ask UN to help support postwar Iraq... [Re: Xlea321]
    #1944008 - 09/23/03 01:06 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Alex123 said:
Wage wars of aggression against helpless countries - get treated like an international pariah.

That's the treatment Bush dished out to Iraq, let him taste some of the same. Right now it's time for sanctions against the US, not time for helping Bush out of the hole he's in.





It was such a horrific thing to rid Iraq of Saddam. They were so much better off being slaughtered by the thousands. That is ridiculous.


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Re: Bush to ask UN to help support postwar Iraq... [Re: shakta]
    #1944016 - 09/23/03 01:09 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

no-one is saying Saddam was a great guy...and this isn't about Saddam..it's about Bush being a hipocrite.


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Re: Bush to ask UN to help support postwar Iraq... [Re: Rono]
    #1944046 - 09/23/03 01:19 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Alex is acting like the Iraqis are worse off than they were. The enire issue is about Saddam to begin with. You can call Bush a hipocrite until the cows come home Rondo. When the resolution passes, Iraq will be better off for it. I think he should be commended for going back to the UN personally. I also think that your position is based purely on hatred for Bush. If it was a left wing President doing the same thing would you feel the same way?


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Re: Bush to ask UN to help support postwar Iraq... [Re: shakta]
    #1944092 - 09/23/03 01:34 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Yes I would...many of you need to seriously get past the assumption that I only critisize Bush because he is "right wing"....when in fact I only critisize him for his actions. I have stated many times that I dislike the Republicans just as much as the Democrats....for some reason anytime that someone critisizes Bush they are automatically branded a "commie"..many of you need to get past this.
Why do you suppose that Anti-American sentiment is at an all time high?
Are you so arrogant to think that it's only jealousy?

Do you think that it might actually have something to do with the way Bush is dealing with the rest of the world, and his "you're either with us or against us" mentality?


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Re: Bush to ask UN to help support postwar Iraq... [Re: Rono]
    #1944122 - 09/23/03 01:44 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

The 'with us or against us' doctrine has to do with terrorism and that is it. What other position could a country have anyway?


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Re: Bush to ask UN to help support postwar Iraq... [Re: shakta]
    #1944131 - 09/23/03 01:46 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Canada did not go along with the Iraq war...are they now an enemy of the U.S.?...is Mexico? France? Germany? Russia?...etc...


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