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Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients
    #2597137 - 04/24/04 03:48 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Washington -- The Bush administration yesterday asked the U.S. Supreme Court to reverse a federal appellate court ruling protecting medical marijuana patients and caregivers from prosecution by the federal government.
If the high court agrees to take the case, the safety and well-being of tens of thousands of patients in states that have enacted medical marijuana laws will hang in the balance.

The case, known as Ashcroft v. Raich, was funded in part by the Washington, D.C.-based Marijuana Policy Project (MPP). Patients Angel McClary Raich and Diane Monson and their caregivers argued that because their medical marijuana activities are completely non-commercial and conducted entirely within California, the Commerce Clause as well as the Fifth, Ninth, and Tenth Amendments of the U.S. Constitution give the federal government no right to intervene.

In a ruling issued December 16, 2003, the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals agreed, holding that the "cultivation, possession, and use of marijuana for medicinal purposes and not for exchange or distribution is not properly characterized as commercial or economic activity" -- and is thus not a matter of federal concern.

The case has already had an impact in federal courtrooms within the Ninth Circuit. Also on April 21, U.S. District Judge Jeremy Fogel issued an injunction protecting the Wo/Men's Alliance for Medical Marijuana (WAMM) in Santa Cruz from federal attacks, citing Raich as the basis for his ruling.

"We are disappointed, but not surprised, that Attorney General Ashcroft has chosen to ask the Supreme Court for what amounts to a license to attack the sick," said MPP Executive Director Rob Kampia. "This administration has waged a war against medical marijuana patients that is completely unrestrained by science, compassion or sound legal principles.

Conservatives should be appalled that the Justice Department is arguing that two patients and their caregivers, growing and using medical marijuana within California -- using California seeds, California soil, California water and California equipment, and engaging in no commercial activity whatsoever -- are somehow engaged in 'interstate commerce.'

"We hope the Supreme Court will let the Ninth Circuit's decision stand," Kampia added, "but seriously ill patients shouldn't have to depend on the courts for protection. Congress can and should end this cruel federal war on the sick immediately."


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Swami]
    #2597180 - 04/24/04 04:21 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yet another reason to vote Libertarian rather than Democrat or Republican.

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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Phred]
    #2597232 - 04/24/04 05:26 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Or don't vote at all coz then nobody will be president and we can all do what we want.


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Swami]
    #2597467 - 04/24/04 10:46 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

As a MMJ activist,patient and caregiver I am one of those specificly targeted by my own goverment. This in spite of the fact I am entirely within the law of my state.
Is this the brand of "homeland security" that GW is offering?If so, I can assure you my neighbors feel more secure knowing I am next door like an overprotective pitbull than they would if our public servants came and took me away.I can only look at it one way, if they come at least then I'll have health care because prison is the only place I can get it now after a triple bypass.
Don't you all swell with pride at where we've ended up? :rolleyes:
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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: whiterasta]
    #2597478 - 04/24/04 11:00 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

my good friends mom is a medical marijuana paitent. she had her house raided by city cops. it was really sad, they had no reason to take her plants. she was well within the legal limit. washington has a 72 plant limit, she had three. the cops gave her one hour to find her papers, keep in mind she is 61 years old and has had two seperate major head traumas. when she couldnt find her papers they took all three of the plants she had :frown: now she is back in the hospitable with another head tramua, at least they let her medicate there. they just turn their backs and let her son take her out to the car which is kinda cool. the cops around here are quite shitty :frown: just keep that in mind if ya ever visit vancouver wa


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: whiterasta]
    #2597606 - 04/24/04 12:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

That sucks WR.  :crying: (Notice how quiet the Bush proponents will be on this...)

Last year there was a prohibitionist congressman (no reference - sorry) who turned around after his mom got seriously ill. Guess other people's sick moms were just drug abusers and rate no sympathy!  :shake: That is sad that it has to hit home for these compassionate, born-again, self-righteous terrorists to wake up.

It is ironic how we can look to the past and say how primitive or stupid an idea was, but cannot see it (well, some of us cannot see it) when we are going through it. Someday, although too late for many, this era will be looked upon in total disbelief for it's archaic ideology and brutality towards its peace-loving citizens.


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Swami]
    #2597702 - 04/24/04 01:07 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I don't know about you guys, but I sure sleep better at night knowing that Ashcroft is keeping us safe from hookers, bongmakers and people who smoke the evil dreaded ganja! Errr...too bad he cut counterterrorism funding before 9-11, but you know, they needed the money for the New Orleans prostitution sting. See, after a whole YEAR, they found hookers in New Orleans! Isn't that amazing?

Ashcroft is the sorriest excuse for an AG this country has ever had. There should be a federal statute that says if you lose an election to a DEAD MAN, you can never serve in government again.


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: LucidDream]
    #2597754 - 04/24/04 01:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

El Dorado County sheriff's Lt. Les Lovell said while on a recent patrol he encountered a person with an ounce of marijuana for medical purposes. Lovell admitted it took some time getting used to letting people go who possessed the drug. "It's unusual for me being somewhat old school," he said.

*Swami added*

Lovell continued, "I like busting stoners because they are docile and rarely put up a fight. I can easily make my arrest quota without having to put myself at risk or do any real police work. Damn, I sure am gonna miss that!"


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Swami]
    #2597767 - 04/24/04 01:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

What was Clinton's policy on MMJ?

I forget.


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2597804 - 04/24/04 01:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not sure what Clinton thought, but I think it's interesting that our current AG isn't hiding evidence about the FBI shooting into a burning building filled with women and children.

Lucid_Dreams - Do you think that the actions undertaken by Ashcroft (a scumbag, in all truth) make him worse than the actions taken by Reno? I'm not trying to make Ashcroft sound like a 'good guy', however, he surely isn't the worst we've EVER had.


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: germin8tionn8ion]
    #2597851 - 04/24/04 01:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I think John Ashcroft is a good guy trying to do his job but he is just so completely wrong. I don't like all the personal attacks on the guy, but when it comes to drug prosecution I really wish we had somebody else.  :thumbdown:

I'm not voting for Kerry but if he wins at least I will have something to look forward to. Hopefully anyway.


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2597853 - 04/24/04 01:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

> What was Clinton's policy on MMJ?

He smoked, but didn't inhale. The number of people that were sent to prison during Clintons administration for non-violent cannabis related charges was obsecene. Much worse than the Regan and 1st Bush years combined. I was shocked when I saw the numbers... I would have thought Clinton's administration would have been a bit kinder, but it wasn't. President Carter was the only president in modern history that has tried to legalize, or at least decriminalize drug use.


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2597862 - 04/24/04 01:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Ashcroft deserves to die slowly of cancer.


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2597872 - 04/24/04 02:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

> Ashcroft deserves to die slowly of cancer.

Without pain medication.  :devil:


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Seuss]
    #2597928 - 04/24/04 02:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Other things Ascroft deserves:


Glaucoma
Multiple Sclerosis
head trauma
AIDS*
Bi-Polar Disorder
Fibromyalgia

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/3385422.htm?1c

Missouri state Sen. Harry Wiggins, for one, recalls a meeting with Ashcroft and a group of Kansas City community leaders when he was governor. The group had tried for months to see the governor about funding to keep open Kansas City's only hospice for AIDS patients.

As the meeting began, Wiggins recalled, Ashcroft appeared uninterested until he focused on the facility being a ``home,'' not a hospital.

``Then you have my attention,'' the governor said, according to Wiggins. ``I'm looking for where it is cheapest to send them to die.''

Wiggins said: ``Governor, that's not what we're here for. These are human beings.'' Ashcroft replied, ``Their pain and suffering is a result of their own misconduct.''


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2598204 - 04/24/04 03:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, Ashcroft is quite a bastard.

Why isn't Luv and Mr Mushrooms defending the Bush administration now? Surely this is a logical course of action, we just haven't been able to see that without some sturdy minded republicans telling us why we need to be protected from 80 year old cancer patients who can barely get out of bed in the morning or keep their medicine down.

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These are good times we live in. Let the terrorists who've killed thousands slide by, but those medical patients who legally smoke marijuana need to be arrested for the good of the nation


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Ravus]
    #2598230 - 04/24/04 03:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The most recent admistration that compares favorably to the Bush administration is the Carter administration.


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2598277 - 04/24/04 03:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

This is old news but Ashcroft is a Christian Baptist nut ball. He wanted all of the paintings in the Capital that were nude to be covered up.  His agenda is  a simple one,  anyone who does not agree with me will go to jail.  Please people get out and vote Bush needs to go, not  so  much  because of  him,  but his administration.  :frown:


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: Ravus]
    #2598325 - 04/24/04 04:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Yes, Ashcroft is quite a bastard.




In most ways, yes.

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Why isn't Luv and Mr Mushrooms defending the Bush administration now?




Some people don't associate their egoic self with political administrations. I don't know either of these two members political alliances totally, but I don't think that supporting Bush in some ways means that they anchor their egos to the image of being a "bush supporter", and support him come hell or high water. Thats just my take on it. Being open and flexible is much better than being trapped into a political dogma of extremism and close-mindedness.
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Surely this is a logical course of action, we just haven't been able to see that without some sturdy minded republicans telling us why we need to be protected from 80 year old cancer patients who can barely get out of bed in the morning or keep their medicine down.




Again, simply because someone supports some platforms or actions of a particular politician, doesn't mean that they associate themselves with that politican in solidarity on every platform that they have. Can you name any political figure that you agree with in every way, shape, or form?
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These are good times we live in. Let the terrorists who've killed thousands slide by, but those medical patients who legally smoke marijuana need to be arrested for the good of the nation



As sad as that is, it's the current law. Were you jumping in support when Clinton, in the last dying gasp of his presidency, issued a pardon for a cocaine smuggler for a financial contrbution?


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Re: Bush Administration's continued attack on MMJ patients [Re: germin8tionn8ion]
    #2598332 - 04/24/04 04:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Some people don't associate their egoic self with political administrations. I don't know either of these two members political alliances totally, but I don't think that supporting Bush in some ways means that they anchor their egos to the image of being a "bush supporter", and support him come hell or high water. Thats just my take on it. Being open and flexible is much better than being trapped into a political dogma of extremism and close-mindedness.




So Bush creating enemies with the international community isn't highwater? Lying to hundreds of millions of Americans and creating an unnecessary war isn't highwater? I wouldn't have picked them out but they seem to support Bush on all matters, so I wanted to see their take on this.

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Again, simply because someone supports some platforms or actions of a particular politician, doesn't mean that they associate themselves with that politican in solidarity on every platform that they have. Can you name any political figure that you agree with in every way, shape, or form?




It's not a matter of completly agreeing with them, but if you were a socialist and agreed with Hitler on that, it doesn't mean that you should support it when he started killing Jews and gays and such. Bush is arresting medical patients who have need of marijuana and putting them in jail for it. This isn't just some minor thing, it's a major flaw and disappointment for the administration to see anyone sink so low, and since they support Bush so often they shouldn't have need of denying or ignoring this thread, just as I wouldn't ignore a thread if Kerry did the same. Political leaders should never be allowed off the hook with such atrocities.

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As sad as that is, it's the current law. Were you jumping in support when Clinton, in the last dying gasp of his presidency, issued a pardon for a cocaine smuggler for a financial contrbution?




That doesn't bother me half as much as what Bush is doing, though I didn't support Clinton much then either


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