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Re: Is the lemon method really something more than just placebo? [Re: RemainRandom50]
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Well, I was going to try the lemon method but couldn't find a lemon so I washed down a mouth full of 0.75g of powder really quickly all at once with a glass of good old tap water...

The come up seemed to take forever (between 2-3 hours before I could say I felt anything that I wouldn't hesitate to brush off as mere expectation) but when it hit me, it hit me instantly, just as I thought to myself "well, it's been a few hours, I don't think much more's going to happen" the room started expanding, the pool table looked abnormaly bright and shiny, there were patterns on all the chairs and the ceiling, and well, needless to say I was tripping balls, the whole trip only lasted approx. 3 hours, I had tripped off mush from the same batch a couple months earlier, same dose eaten solid, I tripped but it was mild, good trip, just didn't compare to this, not ready yet to rule out the whole mindset factor but still... The fact is that I ate the powdered mush, waited, then had what I'd consider (after only about 10 trips) a 2g dose of standard/high quality cubensis trip...

So anyways, personally I feel that the majority of these increased effects are due to simply powdering the mushrooms, or at least that plays a good part in it... I have yet to actually try it with any lemon juice

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Re: Is the lemon method really something more than just placebo? [Re: StickyWater]
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But with lemon juice you will feel the effects 10-15 minutes after drinking it. 2-3 hours sounds very strange.

Anyway, I have tried the lemon juice method twice with very good results. I have used mushrooms 50-80 times but the last two with lemon juice have been something out of the ordinary. I have tried mushroom tea, and it does make the trip start faster, but it isn`t the same kind of trip as the ones I get from mixing mushrooms with lemon juice.


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Re: Is the lemon method really something more than just placebo? [Re: knarkkorven]
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Agreed, I found the duration of the come up to be strange as well, complete opposite from what I was expected, I had expected it to hit relatively quickly, as expected though I peaked only a few seconds/minutes after feeling the first effects...

Has anyone else tried downing just a mouthfull of dry powder with a glass of water? Perhaps it's the actual powdering that increases the absorbtion rate while the lemon juice increases the rate at which your body starts metabolising the actual mushrooms (would explain the noticed increase in effects that I had, would also explain why others who used lemon reported the same type of increase except with shorter come-up)

I hadn't eaten that day, but even on days I don't eat it's never taken nearly that long for me to actual feel something strong enough to say "you're tripping" and not "you're head's just playing games with you cause you know you're going to trip soon"

Perhaps try soaking some whole mushrooms in some lemon juice, eat them like you normally would (except with the juice, god someone's mouth's gonna taste awful) and then time the come up to see if you noticed any difference in the rate at which you started to feel them compared to when you eat them alone *shrug*

Placebo or not, it makes your trip seem stronger, I'm not arguing  :tongue2:

Edited by StickyWater (02/22/06 07:05 AM)

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Re: Is the lemon method really something more than just placebo? [Re: StickyWater]
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whats happenin on may 2nd Wiccan Seeker?


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Re: Is the lemon method really something more than just placebo? [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
You only prove that your line of thinking is insufficient to explain the observations. Placebo effect is what happens to a minorituy of subjects. Placebo thus clearly is the "no change" group.


That is not true. The placebo group is not determined based on which group felt less. Sometimes the placebo group can be the majority in psychological experiments, or at least can show as much of an effect as the experimental group. Just because a majority of the time the placebo group is what happens to the minority doesnt mean thats how it is everytime. The brain itself is a powerful thing. Take for instance rats fed something that causes their immunities to reduce, then later given water with no chemical to do it, and a majority of the rats bodies reducing immunities.

Although, I do believe the lemon juice does something, I dont think its much more then tea, after trying both and of course normally many times and just about every other way you can eat mushrooms. Tea or any liquid the mushrooms is alloud to sit in (which has been water, tea, orange juice or lemon juice the liquids I've tried). All work just about the same... I do believe the predigestion and the fact with a lemon juice, its one shot, all play into it, but I dont think you can set a "it was 2-5 times stronger, ect" to it. Just comes up faster and hits you harder. If you do it with a smaller dose, the trip is then usually shorter then the 4-6 hours if you eat it. Makes sense though, if all the actives are in the juice then it can be immediatly absorbed by your mouth (the fastest way, how many of you chew your mushrooms and hold them in your mouth to let it absorb for like 10-15 minutes..if you did that with your dose that would probably do something similar) and stomach. I dont think it makes them stonger though, just makes ALL of them hit you quicker.

My 2 cents.


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Re: Is the lemon method really something more than just placebo? [Re: scatmanrav]
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I think it's just placebo, on my second trip i used the lemon juice method and all it did was give me a stomache ache, never again.


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Re: Is the lemon method really something more than just placebo? [Re: knarkkorven]
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My take is that experiences vary from one trip to another in the same person, and even more from person to person.

For me, the lemon method (used only once so far) definitely potentiated the shrooms. I've tripped on shrooms dozens of times, so I know my reactions fairly well. I took 2.15 grams with the lemon, and I definitely tripped harder than any time I took up to 5.5 grams.

The strange thing is: the onset took a fairly long time, about 45 minutes, which is longer than usual. Once the trip kicked in, it also took longer to the peak than usual. Also, the trip definitely lasted longer (which is great, since my shroom trips tend to be shorter than average).

I have used mushroom tea from powdered shrooms quite a few times. The onset was always very quick and very sudden, which made it seem initially like stronger trips, but with hindsight they weren't. They were definitely shorter though, which sucked for me having shorter than average trips in normal conditions. Sometimes I was almost completely down in about 3 hours (from ingestion).

So I can definitely say that for me, the lemon method not only intensifies my trips (at least the one I had), but also extends them in time. Maybe next time things will be different?

And maybe, more likely, there is no rule since this all depends on individual body chemistry. It can work for some and not for others, that doesn't mean some are right and others are wrong...

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Re: Is the lemon method really something more than just placebo? [Re: Aldous]
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what about the potency of shrooms, can that be a factor in your case? I have had a diffrent potency from 1st to 2nd flush, i almost did not feel anything on 4 grams of the first flush but on the second flush I ate 2 grams i had a full blown level 5 trip.

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Re: Is the lemon method really something more than just placebo? [Re: shriek]
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In my experience, the shrooms I grow and which I trip off are fairly consistent in potency, also because I all mix them up in the same bag. Anyway, the shrooms themselves are only one factor, I think your set is very important as well, even if you're not always aware of the difference in that.

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