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Offlinerobmac9090
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: kake]
    #4728027 - 09/28/05 10:06 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

interesting report kake...

Do you normally grind up your shrooms before ingesting them?


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OfflineUnderhillmaster
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: robmac9090]
    #4728500 - 09/28/05 11:09 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Pyjamas had some good comments. I am starting to think the acidity is the key. After giving it some thought after my trip, I realized that everytime I have ever used the cranberry method, I used cranberry juice cocktail. The highest concentration of cranberry juice I could find was 27% pure juice. I would think that would make cranberry juice cocktail less acidic than straight cranberry juice. The lemon/lime I used this past weekend was fresh squeezed pure juice. It was less than 2 fl. ounces of lemon/lime juice, so I am thinking that it is something to do with the acidity much more than surface area. Thanks for trying what you did kake, can't wait to see more details. I am also waiting for someone to try pure lemon/lime juice still.


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Underhillmaster]
    #4728590 - 09/28/05 11:20 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Okay... *raises hand*

I'll give the lemon/lime juice thing a try, probably this weekend.

It will be 2g. or very close, taken like a shot w/ roughly 1 oz. of lemon/lime juice. (mostly lemon)

I know how 2g. will generally treat me. any other suggestions?


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OfflineUnderhillmaster
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Crestfallen]
    #4728832 - 09/28/05 11:50 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds good. 2 lemons and 1 lime is what I used. Powder your shrooms as best you can and and combine with juice, and drink within 5 mins. Try to notice any differences from when you normally do 2g. It should hit you faster, harder, and be over quicker than normal. If lemon/lime ends up being the 'secret' ingredient I believe it to be, it should be a memorable experience. Can't wait for more details.


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InvisibleMezcal
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: kake]
    #4729993 - 09/29/05 04:54 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

in my dream last night,


6.0 g cubensis ecuador, shared between two others and myself

# What liquid are you using?
6oz cranberry, 100% juice from concentrate

# How much liquid did you drink the powder with?
6 oz with 2.0g ground cubensis @ 12:15am(t).

# Time to "first alert" (aka, "whoa, something's definitely going to happen") 12:35am (t+20 minutes)

# Time to onset of visual disturbance 12:55am (t+40 minutes)

# Time to peak (rough estimate) 1:35am (t+80 minutes)

# Time to first sign of diminishing effects 3:45am (~t+210 minutes. rough estimate, went back up and down)

# Time to baseline (indiscernable effects) 6:15am (t+360 minutes)

very pretty sunrise. awwwwwwwsome sex with partner. i love these goddamn mushrooms.


Edited by snyder (09/29/05 04:55 AM)


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Invisibleyousuck
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Mezcal]
    #4731663 - 09/29/05 12:55 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

To the thread starter:

As common sense eludes, what you had experienced was a rapid absorbtion of the mushroom matter. While powdering the substance contributes to this, it is not a matter of acidity as others have pointed out. It is in fact a matter of the sugars contained within the juice allow for rapid absorbtion, because what other chemical can you digest faster than a simple sugar?

I do believe however, that this method only works (as far as your ancedotal evidence eludes) because the sugars you are ingesting are water based. Ive taken 5g's of shrooms in milkshakes before, and these effects have never happened because of the time it takes to digest dairy products.

Perhaps a more proper control would to mix your powdered mushrooms in sugar water and observe the effects. It would be nice though if someone here would report the results of all the experiments they are intending to do.


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OfflineUnderhillmaster
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: yousuck]
    #4732371 - 09/29/05 03:16 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Hmm, I have drank my powder with Dr. Pepper before. I would think that Dr. Pepper has much more sugar than any fruit juice. I could be wrong tho. Dr. Pepper gave me just a normal type trip. I came up with the lemon/lime idea based on acidity being the possible reason for the more intense shorter trips. Upon actually doing lemon/lime, I was literally amazed at the effects. I plan to try a single gram with the lemon/lime method sometime after my next pick. I will try sugar water in a month or two. Once someone tries lemon/lime and relates their experience, I may change my line of thinking.


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InvisibleQbanMoJo
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Underhillmaster]
    #4732727 - 09/29/05 04:46 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Most protein shakes have sugars that are simple to digest so that when you drink it, it goes into your blood faster, ideal for post workouts. Only thing is that a lot of peeps on here eat shrooms dipped in honey, covered in chocolate, etc, and get the same intensity. What type of sugars would a lemon/lime posses that honey doesn't?


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Invisibleyousuck
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: QbanMoJo]
    #4734223 - 09/29/05 10:48 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Dr pepper isnt a simple sugar like table sugar is, its a syrup, not the same thing. Do you honestly think your body absorbs Dr pepper as quick and efficiently as it does fruit juice?

well, whatevers happening, the psilocin molecule is attaching itself to something in the fruit juice, instead of just floating around like it would in most other substances.


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Anonymous

Post deleted by Anno [Re: yousuck]
    #4734234 - 09/29/05 10:50 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)



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InvisibleQbanMoJo
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: ]
    #4734528 - 09/30/05 12:04 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

richardcypher101 said:
Hm, I wonder what would happen if you took 2g with a tbsp of...Creatine....




nothing. unless you put fruit juice in there which would defeat the purpose for the creatine. Could make you think youre superman when you start tripping though. :stoned: :mushroom2:


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OfflineUnderhillmaster
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: QbanMoJo]
    #4734733 - 09/30/05 12:41 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I have admitted I don't know what is going on. I have consumed my powdered shrooms with a variety of different liquids over the years however. After reading about the effect of cranberry juice used for extraction techniques, me and friends came upon the cranberry method. A much stronger experience than liquid ever used to that point(dr. pepper, milkshake, water, orange juice, apple juice, grapefruit juice, and shroom tea). After some replies to another post I made, and some discussion with friends, we all believed that the acidity of cranberry juice combined with the powder, before you consume, was having some added effect. Following that logic, we discovered that lemon and lime juice was much more acidic and should theoretically have even more increased effects. After trying it once, I sincerely believe it does. I think that the acidity is the major factor, but I am sure there is probably more than just that to what is going on. I discovered an interesting report that compares the pH and sugar contents of grapefruit, orange, lemon and limes.

http://www.msu.edu/course/lbs/145/luckie/inquiriesF2003/ABCD.html

If simple sugars were the reason for this increased effect, I would think oranges would have the greatest effect. This is not what I experienced. Lemon/lime has a much more noticeable effect than orange juice. I hope that someone else tries it and can confirm or deny my findings. If it pans out to actually be something, we can try to pinpoint exactly what is going on and what is causing it. Which may lead the whole community to the ideal liquid to take your shrooms with.


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InvisibleQbanMoJo
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Underhillmaster]
    #4734845 - 09/30/05 01:17 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

it IS possible. the gastric acid in our stomach doesn't get absorbed by the blood right? maybe the lemon juice along with the psilocybin/psilocin is absorbed to the blood on the way down to the stomach. can anyone try eating the shrooms and then chasing it with the lemon juice/lemonade? like that if it takes less than 20mins to hit you then we can kinda say that the juice is extracting the chemicals and therefore entering your bloodstream faster. :stoned: :mushroom2:


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Underhillmaster]
    #4735046 - 09/30/05 02:26 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Well it makes sense, to a certain extent. The acidity of the juice causes the psiloc(yb)in to be extracted into the juice more readily, and the psilocybin to be broken down into psilocin. So a certain quantity of the good stuff is already "pre-digested" by the time you drink it. Since the rest is powdered, and you take the dose all at once, it enters you bloodstream faster and in a higher concentration.

The first step of doing an acid/base extraction of, say, DMT, (remember that psiloc(yb)in is 4-HO-DMT), is to extract your powdered plant source into acidified water. This process is facilitated by agitation and heating. That's why you should always use a squirt of lemon/lime juice when making tea, (or shake up that cranberry juice well, and over a longer period of time).

This is the same conclusion I alluded to on another thread questioning the use of orange juice.


Edited by Land_Crab (09/30/05 02:50 AM)


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Land_Crab]
    #4735259 - 09/30/05 04:00 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

*replying to original post*

Lol, I had to find that out the hard way. A few friends and I went on a camping trip to shroom, and we had powdered shrooms, this was my 2nd time shrooming, and the dealer said they were "aged" a year so I though they wouldn't be as potent. I took an 8th and a quarter of an 8th, mixed them with a water bottle full of OJ, shook them up vigorously for 2 minutes, and chugged it. It took LITERALLY 5 minutes for everything to start swimming. Half an hour later my ONLY wish in the world was to die, to escape the complete and total sensory overload. I even forgot I took mushrooms. I was more lost than I have ever been in my life. Right before I lost my ego, I knew I was going to die, and I kept asking my friends to help me, knowing that they couldn't do anything. Then I died. I was in an ego-less state for a while but I don't really remember it, and then I was reborn, I had to relearn how to live, how to exist from a singular perspective, how to live in my body, and then how to talk again. And like the original post said, the trip went from tripping really hard, to basically baseline over the course of 5-10 minutes. The whole trip took 4.5 hours.


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OfflineManninee
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THE ANSWER [Re: kroum]
    #4735279 - 09/30/05 04:24 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Hey guys, interesting debate, but you're all generally on the wrong track: The reason the effects are increased is due to chemicals in fruit juices called BIOFLAVINOIDS. These are commoner in acidic fruits.
It was discovered back in the 90s that lots of folks using pharmaceuticals were complaining of interactions with grapefruit juice - effects of many drugs were enhanced, and in a few cases side effects were enhanced causing harm (eg - Terfenidine: an anti-allergy drug was withdrawn because of it).
Now you can read up about it all on the net if you Google 'grapefruit drug interaction', or you can try the following link that explains how it works:

http://www.agd.org/library/2005/july/Flanagan.pdf

You can buy bioflavinoid supplements in health/herb stores but you might want to be careful of any unwanted side effects with the mushies if using the concentrated stuff. Dose low with the shrooms and keep a note of any symptoms of heart palpitations, feeling faint, excessive sweating etc


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Re: THE ANSWER [Re: Manninee]
    #4736641 - 09/30/05 12:25 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

keep a note of any symptoms of heart palpitations, feeling faint, excessive sweating etc




i dont think ive ever had a trip where these effects werent present, and ive never used a fruit juice with shrooms before. Im not sure ill be all to willing to go out and try this method if its just going to increase these effects.


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OfflineManninee
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Re: Side effects [Re: yousuck]
    #4738100 - 09/30/05 06:20 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

The bioflavinoids might reduce side effects - who knows. The point is that people need to be careful and make sure that they arent gonna screw up their health by taking their experimenting too far into the unknown. So far as I know there are very few reports of serious physiologically harmful effects with 'psybes however they are taken...
It would be better if there was a safer potentiator than the Harmala alkaloids (shroomahuasca!) that some have tried.


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Re: Side effects [Re: Underhillmaster] * 1
    #4740324 - 10/01/05 08:02 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

2 grams PC Amazon with 1 cup of pure lemon juice

# What liquid are you using?
Pure lemon juice

# How much liquid did you drink the powder with?
1 Cup with 2 grams of amazon PC

# Time to "first alert" (aka, "whoa, something's definitely going to happen")
7:15PM(t+15 minutes)

# Time to onset of visual disturbance
7:40PM(t+40 minutes)

# Time to peak (rough estimate)
9:10PM (t+90 minutes)

# Time to first sign of diminishing effects
11:00PM(t+240 minutes)

# Time to baseline (indiscernable effects)
12:00am (t+360 minutes)

Conclusion: Yes it works! I have done magic mushrooms over 100 times and this was by far the most intense. The come on was fast, the peak was intense, the visuals were the most amazing I have ever seen!!! Everyone should give this a try. I will never eat veggies without lemon juice again!


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Re: Side effects [Re: deficitism]
    #4740509 - 10/01/05 09:50 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

This is really interesting stuff, and it's awesome that some of you are trying it and giving a detailed report on your method and effects.  Keep it up!

On a similar note, earlier this year some friends and I took 2 grams each of powdered cubes and ground them into a cup of orange juice.  Having been grown on horse manure these were above average potency, but the effects of this particular trip exceeded most that I've ever been on, and it got me to seriously consider the vitamin thing all over again.

Most of us were still tripping 7-8 hours later, which is pretty remarkable.  I have no idea what exactly this can be attributed to other than strong cubes and some effect the orange juice/acids had on them in powdered form, but cranberry juice is on my list of things to try next.  I believe there is definitely a connection here, but finding out just what it is, is the next step. 

Keep it up the good work, great thread.  :thumbup: :mushroom2:


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