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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
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IME yes it is significant. I have had mushrooms take over an hour to hit hard when ingested almost whole.

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i have found that powdered shrooms are quite a bit weaker than whole shrooms because the active chemicals are allowed to deteriorate rapidly.


Ever done a test between, whole shrooms, ground shrooms, and heat made tea? Oh wait, it is impossible. Every trip is different, you can only take one dose at a time. You may be more susceptible or a whole slew of other factors. Just because you see cause and effect does not mean one causes the other.


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: mecreateme]
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mecreateme said:
Ever done a test between, whole shrooms, ground shrooms, and heat made tea? Oh wait, it is impossible. Every trip is different, you can only take one dose at a time. You may be more susceptible or a whole slew of other factors. Just because you see cause and effect does not mean one causes the other.


That's why we should try to get as many reports as possible. If we can identify a general trend, we can make a statement about that trend. It doesn't mean that we have proven causality, just that we have noticed a corrolation between factors and effects.

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Mezcal]
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Try doing LSD or mushrooms at a psytrance rave with UV decoration, lasers and the like ...I went to freedom festival in portugal this year (decoration was http://www.tribeoffrog.co.uk) but I don't think the pictures are up yet).

UV at nighttime tends to slightly trail in your eye anyway but on acid.... :zoom: .. It was the first trip I've experienced where I can only rarely make out the real world for most of the duration because theres so damn much insane psychedelia rushing through my vision.. then you try relying on your hearing but sounds are all coming from opposite directions or from above or below..I've tripped many times and I've always remained in this base reality, as far as I am aware but for me live music, the outdoors and lots of flashly lights and lasers make a trip that much more potent (if that is what you are looking for...)

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Mezcal]
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What I am saying is there are just way too many factors to determine this trend. Way too many!

Set
Setting
Experience
Quality of material(amount of alkaloids)
Different trip
Diet
Fasting

All of these can change a trip.

People so often talk about how they tripped this way when they did an eighth and this way when they did two grams or however you wanna put it. My qualm is that you cannot compare two trips. There are just too many variables. I am all for this kind of experiment, it just seems that it cannot be done truly scientifically.


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: mecreateme]
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Yes, there are many factors. We understand we can't control the universe to get identical trials. What we can do is get people to give their subjective impressions on how fast and how intense the experience was. If our results show no obvious trend, then that's what happens. I'll leave it up to individuals to draw conclusions from the data we collect.

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: mcchieftan]
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Yeah, I've been going to psytrance events since 2001 here in North America. I've partied coast to coast in the states and up in good old Canada. Using hallucinogens there is always fun, but hard to transition to a spiritual experience, IME.

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Mezcal]
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Would it work to shave or grate chocolate into cranberry juice... or is there no point in that?


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to do well always
set your sails, open
ride your waves, flowing
just relax, sober
leave you past, it's over
bind two hands, stronger
my soul waits, forward" - Arjun and Guardians

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Mezcal]
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We understand we can't control the universe to get identical trials.


Speak for yourself, not the board. I was trying to instill the above sentence into this discussion. You restated it well, if even in a matter-of-fact-you-fool, style. :grin:


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: mecreateme]
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Another point to clear up some confusion...

I think what we're focusing on here is the ability of the juice to assist in absorption rate by pre-mixing with the juice.  I think eating the shrooms then drinking the juice would have only a little effect since the pH in your stomach is much more acidic (and since this is my normal method and while not powdered, I eat fine bits and  wash it down with juice, still takes about 1/2hr+ to feel. 

There are lots of other questions we could raise also.  Perhaps saliva inhibits absorption...perhaps it is merely powder form that increases absorption, or perhaps it is more of a catalyst effect, where the stomach begins operating in a fashion almost entirely in tune with digesting the acidic juice and as some side-effect it absorbs psilocybin faster. 

I think we need some of our friendly biologists to offer some expertise in the digestive process, for instance, does the stomach operate in different ways depending on what its served and could this be an effect?

T-minus 6 hours :laugh:


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: kake]
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Lots of interesting replies so far. At this point I am just waiting for someone to try lemon/lime juice with powdered shrooms. The lemon/lime is the new variable that I would like someone to try. Finely powdered shrooms put in the juice of a couple lemons, let sit 5mins or less, then shoot it. I have limited information already about cranberry from myself, friends, and few forum replies. I know there is no way to quantify the effects, but lemon/lime easily seemed many many times more powerful than even the cranberry method. My prediction is that any person who actually does the lemon/lime method will literally have a borderline freakout trip lol. And possibly we can get to a point where everyone who tries it this way will agree that something special is going on with this combination.


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Underhillmaster]
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in my experience with powdering the shrooms up, my trip is usually a much faster come up, much stronger peak, but also about 2 hours shorter in duration. i always pop a vitamin c pill before my trips(even if its just placebo) it works for me


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: the_psychonaut]
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i think someone should try it with lemon or lime juice, and then with cranberry. Maybe there is an enzyme in the cranberries that help out with making the trip stronger?


P.S. I know its been said like 100,000,000 times before

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: chaospilot]
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Eight pages and no ones tried it yet?

This is mushroom cultivation site... I'm surprised more people don't have some mushies to spare


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: nonphixion]
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There ain't a chance of there being any enzymes in the juice unless its fresh and even then its unlikely: They pasteurise fruit juices just like milk.

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: kake]
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kake said:
Snyder has made some good points.

The most important factor, I think as well, is the powdering.  We're not talking about potency increases here people, so don't be confused.  The phenomenon is a faster, more intense onset and a shorter duration.

A friend and I are going to try this tomorrow night and I will post back on the results.  Here's what we plan on using:

2.5g standard cubes (my most typical dose so I'll be able to determine relative differences)
10oz. cranberry juice
2oz. lemon/lime juice

I will powder them and let them soak in the juice while stirring vigorously for 5 minutes, then I'll gulp it all down as fast as possible.  This will be on an empty stomach.  Expect results to be posted on Wednesday.  Any good vibes for an expectedly intense ride would be much appreciated :smile:


According to that it HAS been tried, we're just waiting for the info to come back hehe. Which BTW I can't wait to hear. How did it go man?


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Ramuh]
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The absorbic acid stops the water from turning blue..but the biggest effect is the sublingual ingestion. Shew mushrooms up and hold them in your mouth and you get a quicker come on, same if you drink it in tea. Of course its not like eating them..works great and thats why I love the tea method..its not just for the taste.


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Re: I may have discovered something... *DELETED* [Re: nonphixion]
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Reason for deletion: wrong info


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl] * 1
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Wikipedia - Psilocin (What our body turns the Psilocybin into) is obtained by dephosphorylation of psilocybin under strongly acidic or alkaline conditions. Psilocin is relatively unstable due to its phenolic OH group. Under alkaline conditions in the presence of oxygen it immediately forms bluish and dark black degradation products. Similar products are also formed under acidic conditions in the presence of oxygen and Fe3+ ions (Keller's reagent, FeCl3 / MeOH / HCl). Psilocin is a basic amine and forms salts with acids that are usually more stable upon storage.

The more acidity the quicker the Psilocybin is broken down to Psilocin.

Must experiment with this!


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Pyjamas]
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just a thought, but from what i gather most people would agree that when you powder your shrooms they will kick in due to an increased surface area that can be worked on in your stomache.

now if the cranberry juice and lemon juice is extracting the active ingrediants, but not nessacerily all of them, that means that when the juice and powdered shrooms arrive in your stomache, the surface area to work with has been dramaticly increased.

because not only do you have the powder to work on, but as well as all the liquid that contains the psilocybin that was absorbed while still in the cup.


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: guri]
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# What liquid are you using?
10oz. cranberry 1oz lemon juice 1oz lime juice

# How much liquid did you drink the powder with?
12 oz with 2.5g freshly ground cubensis @ 7:17pm(t).

# Time to "first alert" (aka, "whoa, something's definitely going to happen")  7:31pm (t+14 minutes)

# Time to onset of visual disturbance 7:40pm (t+23 minutes)

# Time to peak (rough estimate) 8:35pm (t+78 minutes)

# Time to first sign of diminishing effects 10:28pm (first calming effect felt t+191 minutes)

# Time to baseline (indiscernable effects) 12:45pm


peak came on noticeably faster than most trips, ride up felt very intense and the "buzz" was energetic and very laughy and fun but tiresome as well.  we chilled in my living room listening to music and talking until after the peak, at which point we spent the rest of the trip on the back deck enjoying a nice night and stargazing.  will provide some more details later, but i'm going to bed right now :smile:


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