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I may have discovered something part 2: Pandora's Box (long)
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This is going to be pretty long so bear with me.  I think the discoveries will be worth it at the end.  I wouldn't necessarily recommend anyone ever try this lol, unless you enjoy the types of trips I do.  You be the judge.

I got into psychedelics 17years ago, and ever since then it has been a neverending journey.  I have one of those personalities where I tend to push then envelope in the drug department for what thats worth lol.  The first discovery came while tripping on LSD.  I was about 17.  I'm sure a lot of you know what a gravity bong is, the kind you make out of a 2 liter and some foil and use a sink or a bucket.  Well we had been doing that for quite a few past trips at that point and decided to push the envelope in that stupid 17 year old way lol.  I remembered a stupid thing we did in junior high of passing each other out for fun, real smart I know :P  Anyway, none of had done that since junior high since it was so stupid lol.  For this trip, I thought it would be a good idea to combine the pass out trick with a gravity bong hit while on LSD  :smile:  Needless to say, you lose control for a good 5 minutes or more, but wasn't really a good experience, meaning none of us ever did it again.

My second personal discovery, and is the most well known of all, Music.  We had been listening to Pink Floyd as our main trip music, this was in the mid 80s.  Then we discovered 'techno' and one band in particular, 'Skinny Puppy'.  Combining drugs and music was a powerful combo indeed :laugh:  We went through a few years getting what came around.
I can only get exstacy, lsd, and mushrooms around my neck of the woods, and they only come around every so often, you know how it is.  I tripped as I could and I eagerly awaited each new Skinny album for truly monumental trip experiences in my mind.  Well the band eventually self destructed, but not before laying a benchmark in my eyes of great 'trip' music.  I went through a few years of no great new trip music and not a lot of things to trip with anyway. 

About 3 years ago, we had a major supply of X, lsd, and shrooms in town that basically had whatever you wanted whenever you wanted it for well over a year.  That meant it was time to trip at our leisure, which ended up being almost every weekend lol.  During that time though, I made 2 more discoveries.  I realize these are subjective to my experiences or whatever, and that I can't duplicate again because that source has long since dried up.  The first was 'hippy-candy flipping'?  I took 2 grams of good shrooms, 2 hits of prime acid, and 2 red LV's from a couple of years back.  It was during a the best trip party I have ever been at lol.  We had 15 people on lockdown, you could stay and take whatever combo of drugs you felt like.  So I did the triple flip or whatever.  We were all friends and everybody there was on either acid, shrooms, or x, or a combination thereof.  It was one of the best experiences of my life climaxing in midnight showing of 'The Wall' with us all arm in arm singing along.  I was crying with the amount of emotion and power of that moment.  It was a great time, but I think the party atmosphere kept me from really exploring the possible inner journey of that dosing.  I wouldn't take the experience back. 

My second discovery of that fateful summer was a little personal experiment I had designed for myself lol.  I had gone through the standard tolerance issues just like anyone whenver I tried to dose on something 2 days in a row.  I haven't tripped 2 days in a row since I was a teenager, over a decade past, but those experiences led me to an interesting idea.  Normally I would have to take twice as much to feel the same effects as the night before.  My idea was to not sleep the night between trips lol :grin:  I took 2 pills of some great X we had at the time on a friday night about 10 and had a great night ending up with smoking a bowl watching the sunrise.  Then off to a busy saturday lol.  Breakfast, shower, and start the barbecue for college football hehe.  Me and a lot of my friends feast out and watch some games and then night time comes OoOoO.  I took 2 hits of the same X as the night before, and I swear I got just as high if not higher.  Same dose, same high, next day, I was amazed lol.  It was funny, because if I had known that ten years before then who knows lol.  As fun as that was it was not really something you want to do a lot lol.  And by the time I wanted to try again, the source had dried up :frown: 

Once the drugs had dried up, ironically enough lol, I found a new benchmark for 'trip' music.  By trip music, I mean that on high doses of hallucinogens it transports you to another place.  All music does by some degree, but when you are tripping, you can notice the not so good.  Well, all in one month I discovered Shpongle(the undeniable champ without question to date in my mind) and Infected Mushroom(truly awesome). 

Well about a year ago I got tired of waiting and started growing my own shrooms lol.  I had some great times listening to Shpongle and others over the past year, really making me appreciate what a powerful combination music and hallucinogens actually is, a true synergy if you will. 

A few months back I tried Salvia for the first time, and can I say 'whoa' lol.  I got 1 gram of 20x at the local head shop, and one hit done correctly is cosmic lol.  I have found it hard to synergize with music though.  Mostly because salvia is so profound yet still thankfully short duration :wink:  It didn't take a genius to see that combining salvia with a hallucinogen is for only the truly hardcore, which seemed like it could be worth a shot.

Well, a month ago I stumbled on my lemon discovery from the community thread.  Lemon juice combined with powdered shrooms is a truly unique experience.  It makes the shrooms hit you within 20 minutes for sure, and tripping hard by 40 minutes in.  Not only does it hit you that fast, but it hits o so much harder lol.  I have tried the lemon way four times so far now.  And I can only say that it dwarfs the last almost 20 years of tripping.  It makes mushrooms incredibly powerful, like they need to be more powerful huh? lol.  Try it and I know you will believe too. 

Well last night was the penultimate in my trip life so far without a doubt.  It took me 5minutes roughly to 'ignite' and then I layed on the bed and was GONE for 6 hours.  It was Epic and not for the faint of heart or mind.  Do not even attempt if you dont enjoy being trapped inside your own head for 6 hours for sure.  I started the night off by buying a Discman that plays MP3 cds lol.  I have a great stereo, but could never get the mobility or loudness that a portable has.  Anyway, as it so happens, you can fit the entire collected works of Shpongle and Infected Mushroom on a single disc OoOoO.  I felt karma was kicking in at that point so I decided to proceed.  I mixed up my borderline shroom dose(a little under 3grams) with the juice of 2 lemons which works fine for a new lemon standard method btw.  I let that sit for ten minutes and proceeded to carefully load my salvia bowl :thumbup:  You need to have everything set up at this point, so that you can hit play on discman and lay down, because the roller coaster of a lifetime is fixing to take you on a chase for the dragon.  I drank my shroom/lemon juice and washed down with a bit of pop.  Put the headphones on and got situated and got ready to take my salvia.  Puff, put bong away safely hurry, put lighter on table, hit play, lay back, exhale, meet Creation lol.  It was way to crazy to even put into words lol.  It was epic beyond my wildest dreams, a musical out of body experience joy ride to the ends of the universe and back inside your own soul.  My sitter said I just layed on the bed and looked like i was in rapture.  My first real conscious thought was that I need a cigarette some 3 hours later lol.  The following 3 hours were great as I was able to smoke some bud and get into comedown mode. 

What I found particularly amazing was that all the ingredients were natural, just had to be combined the right way for a next level experience.  On the good old 1-5 trip scale, this was easily a 5 going on 10 lol.  You need to invent a new scale imo.  It took me roughly 5 mins to take my dose, and due to the salvia, it has tripping me smooth the fuck out in minute 6:)  By the time my salvia high diminished, the lemon/shroom juice was hammering me.  Throw in my 8 hour trip cd on random.  Wow.  Salvia and shrooms is not for the unitiated, unexperienced, or ill prepared.  But if you want to open Pandora's Box, I found the key :smile:


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Re: I may have discovered something part 2: Pandora's Box (long) [Re: Underhillmaster]
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sounds to me like you are into my kind of tripping. my first time on shrooms i did a sugar cube dropped on all sides and my first time on x i did acid and pcp (pcp was a first too).


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Re: I may have discovered something part 2: Pandora's Box (long) [Re: iateshaggy]
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haha man you don't holdback do ya. I'd love to come trip with you sometime, although I don't think I could hold my guts (or mind) anywhere near aswell as you can. Good stuff!


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Re: I may have discovered something part 2: Pandora's Box (long) [Re: Underhillmaster]
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You've got guts I'll give you that.

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Re: I may have discovered something part 2: Pandora's Box (long) [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
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I must be missing something, you just just did shrooms/lemons and salvia? your saying that combo will send you inside your head for 6 hours?

The only chemical that has sent me inside my head to the point where i couldnt come back to reality for 4 hours was DMT. God i love those trips, theirs just so damn hard to attain.

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Re: I may have discovered something part 2: Pandora's Box (long) [Re: yousuck]
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You forgot to gravity bong the salvia...
I can relate to a lot of you post.


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Re: I may have discovered something part 2: Pandora's Box (long) [Re: MasonsChild]
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i very well enjoy reading your posts.

good find!


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Re: I may have discovered something part 2: Pandora's Box (long) [Re: ShroomArtist84]
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Well im glad ure havin fun but these combos have been used for some time. Yes u can itensify a trip with some juices, teas and alcohol but this is hardly new info. I learned about it 6yrs ago in christiania,denmark.

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Re: I may have discovered something part 2: Pandora's Box (long) [Re: shamantra]
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I know combos have been around along time hehe. And I know many people have taken much more than I. But I am a fellow psychonaut that has been journeying for almost 20 years now, with well over 300 individual 'trips' under my belt. I have tried many various drinks with my shrooms over the years, beginning in the first year, because in all honesty, shroom taste or smell makes me gag bad. Shroom liquid mixes have been my preferred way to take them since the first time I tried it. Most likely from not having found this website until a couple years back, I never found about cranberry juice. After doing cranberry shrooms exclusively for almost a year, I got interested in what may be causing it. Through a forum here I was able to come up with the idea of trying pure lemon juice. I personally had never used lemon before, nor had I known anyone who had, or had I read about anyone doing so on these boards. I'm sure someone may have done it before, but I am stunned it didn't get out and everybody would do it that way by now. To me personally, and many others who have tried also, it makes shrooms incredibly strong. My personal 'heroic' dose before cranberry, in teas and such, was 7grams roughly. Once I switched to cranberry, that dropped to 5. With lemon, 3grams is more than enough. That is for a full blown level 5 trip, which is why I takes hallucinogens personally lol. I know the lemon method is slowly spreading around my area, to the extent that people who have tried it have said that is the only way they will ever do it again, and they are telling their friends. Lemon juice is the real deal, and I definitely respect its power.

I also am more than willing to bow down to the power of salvia. Although I never tried it until 3 months ago, I knew from research to respect it, and it stunned me in its pure power. I have never shot up in my life, so I have never experienced another drug that takes over so fast. I know there is other stuff that can do it out there, but I can't get that stuff in hickville U.S.A. where I live lol.

I'm sure anyone who reads this will agree that some drugs mix better than others. Sometimes one will override another, or they leave you feeling a bit off when mixed. Weed is probably the champ in that regard as it mixes well with almost anything. But for being able to get easily, the salvia and lemon/shroom combo is incredible and it is basically all natural. It's definitely intense and might not be for some people.

I really don't want to gravity bong my salvia because I have never been able to hold those hits for 30 seconds like I can with my plain old water bong hehe.

P.S. I was only level 5+ for about 3 hours, but thanks to the salvia, I was there incredibly quickly. After 3 hours I came to so to speak and wanted a cigarette hehe. Due to the fast nature of lemon/shroom, I probably dropped from level 5 to 3 by the fourth hour. But by then I was able to smoke bud and have a good comedown. I was totally baseline by hour 6. I could have taken another salvia hit at hour 3 and who knows lol, but I didn't want to change the overall experience. Maybe next time lol.


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If you cut off my head, what would I say? Me and my head, or me and my body?

Edited by Underhillmaster (10/17/05 05:09 PM)

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Re: I may have discovered something part 2: Pandora's Box (long) [Re: Underhillmaster]
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yes i know about this effect you talking about,. i get the same with tea very often, a real fast onset and a shorter trip. this I exp 1 month ago , i was eating 2.5 grams syrian rue and 2.5 grams cubensis dried. I drank the rue with water 1 hr before eating the mushies. i drank the mushies down with tea(whole mushies no powder), regular earl gray with a bunch of sugar I also drank some pineapple juice on the side. Effects came in 10-15 minutes. an superintense trip that lasted for 2-3 hours . which is very strange, with rue i often trip for 6-7 + hrs. I have experienced this rush trips often. I was told, like I said in Christiania, from the person who made me intrested in growin mushies in the first place that the effect and duration of a trip varies alot, how you take it, what you take it together with and that some juices and teas would make the effects stronger and this is very true. It can also be things you eat before the trip, it can be physical things, maybe your coming on to a flu and dont know about it when taking them, that can be a factor that can change the "expected effects" of mushrooms.

however, these rush trips is not desired from me, i get disapointed when i get this., I want to enjoy my trip to the fullest so I will instead eat more mushrooms (i can afford them like most people here :smile: ) and have a intense long trip instead of a quik burn wich gives me no time to reflect and meditate.


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note: english is my 3rd languange, please ignore misspelling and poor english, im doing my best :smile:

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Re: I may have discovered something part 2: Pandora's Box (long) [Re: shamantra]
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you underhillmaster are a unique person. most people can't handle anything like what you have done in your years. i hope you realize this and use your mental and bodily strength to keep providing tales of experiences, information, and new ways to venture into the psychedelic world


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Re: I may have discovered something part 2: Pandora's Box (long) [Re: flamebolt]
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"".. this was easily a 5 going on 10 lol. You need to invent a new scale imo."

I concur..

the level system is hilarious! :wink::thumbup:


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Re: I may have discovered something part 2: Pandora's Box (long) [Re: Gomp]
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im a totally inexperienced tripper, so i cant really relate much to most of the stuff in this post, but i can totally relate to the power of music. one of the few times i smoked pot i was listening to pink floyd and had 3d closed eye visuals to it. it was awesome synethasia to 'comfortably numb'.

im a musician, and i cant live without my music. whether its classical, punk, rock, blues, jazz, swing, symphonic, metal, techno, music is the most powerful form of expression humans have. you can say so much more with a chord that you can with a million words.

mushrooms for me opens the sensory floodgates. my brain tries to keep up with the info overload and amazing things happen. now take that and add music, which like i said can say so much more than words, and you have doubled the information overload.

its awesome. music is the best tool for tripping. that and a textured wall. : )


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Re: I may have discovered something part 2: Pandora's Box (long) [Re: Underhillmaster]
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in my opinion its pretty evil combining salvia with ANYTHING! the way salvia works on your body hasnt even been examined yet. who knows what kind of reaction you could trigger with combining salvia with any other kind of drug. i think salvia alone is pretty much the most awesome & mighty thing i have ever had the joy of experiencing. ive seen folks losing their mind on salvia alone.. why would you wanna combine it with anything? i think this is not the way to go. salvia is something that must be treated with respect. and combining it with something else is kinda like disrespecting how mighty it is. ive heard once that bad salvia experiences come to people who dont properly respect the plant. ive even heard that in order to have good salvia experiences one must grow the plant oneself and build up a relationship between the plant and the plant tender.

i dont wanna sound like some whining parent of some sort.. your experience sounds like you know what youre doing.. but you wrote just very little of what you actually experienced in that time you were GONE.. this is the interesting thing about it.. but you left that out. maybe salvia didnt allow you to take any of its knowledge back to the real world. i have heard that it takes much practice for transporting information between these two worlds.

salvia engages the mind in a state of thoughtless awareness. it is very hard putting the dream language into words that actually make sense in the real world.

beeing such a psychedelic hardhead as you say maybe you are just the right person to experiment more with salvia. i suggest you travel there more and let the beeings teach you to understand and interpret the dream language.

it takes some time for the experiences to become "stable". at some point you will find yourself in the same place every time you take salvia. the place might take on different appearences but it will feel the same.

i suggest you read this book before starting to experiment: Peopled Darkness: Perceptual Transformation through Salvia Divinorum.

peace!

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Re: I may have discovered something part 2: Pandora's Box (long) [Re: cheech]
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My best drug combo was 5 hits of good lsd and a good 30-40mg bowl of DMT at the peak...

Ive broken through completely out of body on 15 hits of lsd blotter last febuary and that was incredible...words cant describe that


nor can words describe a intense standalone dmt trip...


but holy shit combining the both of them is just heavenly being able to experience life both on a infinite plane and a ZERO plane is just WOW... thats the only way i can describe it, i could see through things, into every crack and corner of existence...

and then coming down from the dmt is just perfect!!!!!!! becuase your right back into the 5 hit lsd trip!!!!


i bet tossing 3 grams of lemon soaked shrooms into that would be even more elevating.

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