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Re: An idea for those who had positive results [Re: WillieTomg]
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Just thought I would point out(I havent touched shrooms, grew shrooms, ate shrooms or anything in a few years so I might be a little off... plus I didnt read the entire thread)

But yeah, I dont think antacids would be a good way to test anything since everything I DID actually read here seems to suggest that the conversion is taking place before actually taking the lemon juice shots, so if that were true then eating some tums would in no way affect the chemical changes that had already taken place before you ever consumed the shot.

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Re: An idea for those who had positive results [Re: Myconut]
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Interesting... I wouldnt think takign an antacid would aid in any way the digestion of the mushroom meat, but I wouldnt think it would have any kind of effect upon the absorbtion of psilocybin/cin... Does it?

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Re: An idea for those who had positive results [Re: Terantula]
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Its an alkaline and could possibly oxidize the psilocin because it is unstable in alkaline solutions.

OK as for my trip with the lemon juice method i took 2 home grown lemons ( juiced and strained the pulp and had about 8 oz of juice(it was a big lemon)
I had 2 friends besides myself one friends said that my shrooms were kind of old and pulled out 3 grams of some from his fresh batch.
i decided that i was ready for whatever the mushroom threw at me. i ground 2 grams in a coffee grinder until very very fine and soaked 1 gram in 1 oz lemon juice in each shot glass i took 2 shots right after the other after letting the solutions steep for 15 Min's my friend took 1 gram the same way. i had not eaten in about 4.5 hours my friend about 2 about 20 Min's after ingestion i noticed that the walls had begun to breathe and that the ceiling and carpets were beginning to move. My friend was laughing a lot and said he noticed a few nice visuals in the blanket on the couch.
after an hour i began to trip very very hard like i had taken 6 or 7 grams my friend was acting like he had 2 or 3 grams.
We decided to go and walk around a big construction site near to my house. we played and were mesmerized by the ground which was all uniform with the tractor treads i pulled a fire extinguisher and discharged it up into the air until it was empty the cloud it formed was absolutely amazing it roiled around the air and spread out along the ground the whole thing was so beautiful we stayed till the last traces had disappeared we went o the store and got some drinks and snacks.
I bought a 20 oz milk, a bag of bugles and a butter finger. i ate my food and felt immensely better my minor nausea went away and when we left and began to walk back to my house i began to go nuts things just got really really weird and i freaked out for a few Min's until i calmed myself down i kept looking at my hands and then saw them warp and distort and i would be saying oh my god my hands are melting and got freaked out which is unusual for me to be freaked out by looking at my hands melt. we returned to my house where we tried to watch fight club but it was too strange for my friend. so we listened to some bob Marley and it really calmed everyone down. i last remember looking at the clock saying it was 3:25 i ingested them at 9:45. i left out some very very personal thought i had last night and do not want to discuss here.
it was a wild ride i would have to say it was a mid to high level 4 trip i woke up this morning absolutely glowing. my friend said he felt I was a low to middle level 3 trip.
for me and my friend who i didnt tell that it made them stronger it also worked. so who knows there might have been a placebo factor present for me but i sure had an absolute blast. and the taste was much better compared to jsut munching them down.


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Re: An idea for those who had positive results [Re: MrMolotov]
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Hey all, good to see this still going!

My computer with the notes of my experiment crashed(CPU or motherboard is not working anymore) a few days ago and that's why I was not online and haven't posted my full report yet.

I hope to post it as soon as possible. Just to let you know.

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Re: An idea for those who had positive results [Re: Annom]
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Friend of mine tried .8 grams in about a cup full of pure lemon juice. powdered his mushrooms and let them soak for 20 minutes.

Said it felt like it was 2 times stronger. What is interesting is that he was able to sleep 4 hours later.

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Re: Side effects [Re: Rebirtha]
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deficitism do you think the 1cup lemon juice made it better then just a shot of lemon juice? why did you use so much?

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Re: Side effects [Re: Retired]
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As it seems so far:


Acidity + Powdered Mushrooms + Time

Drink up

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Re: This hyphus (thread) [Re: SourceLimit]
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Wow, awesome that this is still going. I haven't read everything yet, but I have a question and a comment. (Sorry if I'm repeating something, but I don't have time to read all 11 pages that I missed.)

For everyone who have tried the juice shots: The effects hit you quicker--did they last as long as normal, though?

And to reiterate my hypothesis: The acidity in the juice causes a significant amount of the psilocybin in your cup to be converted to psilocin, which means that your body has little, if anything, to metabolize when you drink it. -"Pre-digested"

So three things contribute to the 'increased' effects:
#1: The psilocin starts working its magic (entering the bloodstream and brain) faster and easier than usual, since there is a much smaller amount of psilocybin to be metabolized than usual.

#2: Your juice drink is highly concentrated. That is to say, a high ratio of mushroom-to-juice. Swallowing that in one or two gulps is a no-brainer for explaining why things happen faster.

#3: The mushrooms are powdered. Maximum surface area = minimum amount of time to digest it.

- Note: To make this work better, definitely agitate your shroomjuice for at least 5 minutes. Applying a low level of heat (like putting your juice jar in a hot water bath in a pot on the stove) will also help to extract the psilocin.

Of course, you could not drink the juice, strain out the mushroom goop, and repeat the process with as many grams as you wanted...

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Re: This hyphus (thread) [Re: Land_Crab]
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coca cola doesnt have asorbic acid in it, it has phosphoric acid.

For those of you who are determined that it is the acidity of the solutions that are causing the potentation, why dont you try a few drops of 10% phosphoric acid or a drop of muriatic acid (HCl)?

And still, no one has tried red wine with it. Comon now, i dont want to have to be the lab rat with everything.

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Re: This hyphus (thread) *DELETED* [Re: yousuck]
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Post deleted by Lakefingers

Reason for deletion: Reason?

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Re: This hyphus (thread) [Re: Lakefingers]
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2.2 grams of puerto rican cubensis was massed and ground up, then mixed with 200 ml of fresh lime juice, the mixture was stirred well over a period of 10 minutes, then ingested. The overall expierence was good, but somewhat weak for 2.2 grams of cubensis. The lime juice seemed to have no effect, however it works great for masking the taste of the mushrooms.

# What liquid are you using? Lime juice

# How much liquid did you drink the powder with? 200 ml

# Time to "first alert" (aka, "whoa, something's definitely going to happen") 15-20 minutes

# Time to onset of visual disturbance
40 minutes

# Time to peak (rough estimate) 120 minutes

# Time to first sign of diminishing effects 240 minutes

# Time to baseline (indiscernable effects)480 minutes


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Re: This hyphus (thread) [Re: yousuck]
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Subjective experience for me.

Numbers are ratios and approximates!!!!!

eating 50 mg feels like 10 waves of 1,2,2,10,10,10,5,5,3,2 mg each.
50 mg in a boiling water tea feels like 6 waves of 5, 15, 10,10,5,5mg each.
50 mg in a lemonjuice hot water extract feels like 4 waves of 5, 15,25,5 mg.

I thought this was common "FOLK knowledge", that had truth behind it.

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Re: This hyphus (thread) [Re: EonTan]
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I'm gonna be another person who's gonna say that I'm gonna give this a shot and probably not going to report back. I haven't tripped for over a month now for some reason so I should be able to give a reasonable response to a lower dosage with the combined effect of this type of dosing.

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Re: slapped together theory #1 [Re: cornoir]
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cornoir said:
"Casale also notes that if one heats the extrac-
tion solution of dilute acetic acid to 70 degrees centigrade for
ten minutes, then the psilocybin is completely converted by
dephosphorylation to psilocin.(5)"

C.B. Gold mentions 70 degrees for 10 minutes in his extraction method. The melting and boiling point of acetic acid being in the over 150 degree F range.

Here is some info on citric acid concerning crystal formation and temperature.

"At room temperature, citric acid is a white crystalline powder. It can exist either in an anhydrous (water-free) form, or as a monohydrate that contains one water molecule for every molecule of citric acid. The anhydrous form crystallizes from hot water, while the monohydrate forms when citric acid is crystallized from cold water. The monohydrate can be converted to the anhydrous form by heating it above 74 ?C"

All of these are high temp chemical reactions which more than likely will not affect our practical tests, what is important is keeping the temp under the level at which it starts to detrimentally afect the Psilocin and Psilocybin. So 70 degrees F a "safe" temp, maybe.

Sadly the only real scientific testing is done at the Drug Agencies and I don't think we want to get too chummy with them.


So can this mean that lemon juice can be extracted to a powder? Or evaporated to this form? What would happen if mushrooms extracted in lemon juice was evaporated?


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Re: slapped together theory #1 [Re: deficitism]
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I am too lazy to read all the post maybe someone said this before but...
I found somewhere that:
"The phosphoric acid is considered "dead weight" and does not contribute to the compound's psychedelic effects. Its presence does, however, stabilize the compound. Conversely, psilocin, which lacks this phosphoric radical, is extremely unstable and sensitive to oxidation."
Albert Hoffman speaks about mushrooms and here is the link:
http://www.stainblue.com/ah.html
So maybe when it gets acidic.Acid bounds to compund and protects it from oxidation begining from the mouth like phosphoric radical does.And makes it stronger.Just a theory.
:peace:


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Mezcal]
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but you are missing some point.Oxidation starts from the mouth even on the air.
here is my way thinking:
"The phosphoric acid is considered "dead weight" and does not contribute to the compound's psychedelic effects. Its presence does, however, stabilize the compound. Conversely, psilocin, which lacks this phosphoric radical, is extremely unstable and sensitive to oxidation."
Albert Hoffman speaks about mushrooms and here is the link:
http://www.stainblue.com/ah.html
So maybe when it gets acidic.Acid bounds to compund and protects it from oxidation begining from the mouth like phosphoric radical does.And makes it stronger.
Just a theory.
And maybe it's better to keep them not airtight container but maybe in an acidic solution that makes it salts.And then filter out the liquid and evaporate.And you have salts.
Or you can keep them in vinegar or lemon juice.And put it in the fridge.And use it.
I will try all of these.
:peace:


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: barisk]
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i love this post. I have followed from the start. Read every post from start to finish. Me and some bro's will try this as soon as i can get my grow under way. just lost 8 jars of millit to contams. Now wateing for new syringes to get here.


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"The answer is never the answer. What's really interesting is the mystery. If you seek the mystery instead of the answer, you'll always be seeking. I've never seen anybody really find the answer-- they think they have, so they stop thinking. But the job is to seek mystery, evoke mystery, plant a garden in which strange plants grow and mysteries bloom. The need for mystery is greater than the need for an answer."

-- Ken Kesey

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Underhillmaster]
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I tried about a gram, powdered, with a shot of lemon juice last night.

I haden't eaten in a couple hours, and I took it all down at once, but it was definately a very mild trip. Just barely started to get visuals--nothing close to what I get off an 1/8...

The shroom powder did sit in the lemon juice in the fridge for a few hours before i drank it.

I'm really sensitive to the psilicybin, too. I thought this might really whack me out, but it didn't.

Only other factors....I used lemon juice from a bottle not fresh....
and I was pretty tired when I ate them. I was dozing off during the trip so obviously it didn't hit me too hard...


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: MrMolotov]
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I think there is some validity to the Grapefruit extracting method, I got about .75 grams of dried mushrooms, and left them in the juice for about a day (8oz). I found a grapejuice cocktail drink, with ascorbic acid (vitamin C), which I think helped alot with the extraction. I downed about half, and within 30-40 mins, I was really starting to climb the shroom coaster. It wasn't really intense, but it was just a small reminder that there is a great potential here. I am going to try 1.5 grams in the juice over a period of 3 days. Then see how that goes. I will report back then.

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: QuetzalReturns]
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The other day I tried it with a small amount, 0.5g, dissolved in ~120mL of a 1.2% w/v ascorbic acid solution (1.5g acid) I let the mushorooms sit in solution for 30 minutes, with a good stirring every five minutes. All parts involved were at room temp, ~25C.

It hit about like a 1-1.25g dose, though I noticed no more effects at T+3.5 hours.

I think the stomach retention has a lot to do with it, as was stated earlier more acidic food items are retained in the stomach for longer, therefore exposed to both stomach acid and the acid you added to it longer, causing the alkaloid to be extracted from the mushroom tissue in the stomach until it finally goes into the intestine. At this point it gets absorbed in one big rush, instead of coming out of the fungal tissue over a longer period of time, like normal.


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