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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Asante]
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I'll try using ascorbic acid solutions with some other chemicals whenever I get the chance. This sounds like an interesting experiment.

It is possible that I will be obtaining MDMA this weekend for use, but I wouldn't count on it. MDMA doesn't dissolve well in water, though, does it? Would it dissolve well in the acidic solution?

Just crush up the pill and stir it in? Err, actually more like half a pill to start with just in case this works well.


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Ramuh]
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I know its a super long thread lol. There have been many working theories and experiments with various liquids. A general consensus so far is lemon>cranberry>grapefruit>orange. All of these fruits affect stomach enzymes to varying degrees. All of these are also highly acidic, with lemon being the most acidic. The working theory is that the high acidity starts the psylocybin conversion to psylocin in solution, so that when you actually drink it, you are drinking a high concentration psylocin solution. This saves you stomach the time of having to convert it itself. This means that you have a lot of psylocin available to be absorbed as soon as it hits your stomach. You also get the benefit of increased surface area from your shrooms being powdered in a liquid solution. Throw in the stomach enzyme action of these fruit juices, and you are able to absorb more psylocin at once. There could very well be more going on, but those are the 3 big factors, with acidity being the big thing.

There have been a few people who have mentioned trying lemon method with a MAIO. They had mentioned Syrian Rue, but I don't think that anyone ever tried it. The Black Currant juice sounds very promising. When trying it for max effect, it might be a good idea to drink your currant juice an hour or more before you take your lemon shrooms. Sort of preload your system with MAIO action. Maybe drink another glass to chase your lemon shroom drink. From my knowledge of MAIO interaction with shrooms, it can often lengthen a trip. This could help offset the shortness of lemon trips for some people. Its gonna be a while before I trip again, but I will try to get some currant juice for the next time. I also plan to get some X for the new year, and would love for someone to try that with lemon before then lol. Anyway, the experiment is obviously moving on its own momentum now, as I knew it would, this is big stuff. Keep up the good work everybody.


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Underhillmaster]
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I just came across this thread now... Im sure its been said many times, but can someone please clear something up for me: For maximizing the potency of mushrooms one must grind the shrooms into a powder, mix w/ a shot of store-bought lemon juice, then down like a shot? Or must one soak their dried mushies in lemon juice for 10 min. then eat them? This all sounds very interesting and I am looking forward to trying it!

N.

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Re: lemon-lime test [Re: Underhillmaster]
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# Used .5gms cubes, made tea from .7gms of the same lot ten days ago.

# What liquid are you using? Juiced one lemon and one lime. Put 2 oz. juice on the shroom powder. Stirred and let sit 30 minutes.
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# How much liquid did you drink the powder with? 2 oz., followed with about an ounce of water to rinse the glass and my mouth. Was surprised to find the water tasted quite sweet...
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# Time to "first alert" (aka, "whoa, somethings definitely going to happen") Incremental onset, definite by 30 minutes.
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# Time to onset of visual disturbance- 50 minutes (about)
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# Time to peak (rough estimate)-about 70 or 80 minutes
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# Time to first sign of diminishing effects-didn't write this down, maybe 120 minutes
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# Time to baseline (indiscernible effects)-This was a slower comedown for me than some of you reported; after beginning to notice a return to normality it was another two hours before I was back enough to sleep.

Please also note if you take any other substances, -I had eaten lightly 3 1/2 hours earlier.
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COMMENTS: This was MUCH stronger than the .7 gms I'd done recently. I'd guess at least 3x as strong. The .7 gms tea was pleasant but very wimpy, while the .5 gms "juiced powder" gave me visuals like crazy as well as significant time distortions. I don't much get visuals and these were pretty fun. Overall had a nice sense of well-being for most of the time.

I found it somewhat physically unpleasant. My lower gut hurt (no nausea) in a way I didn't expect and I spent several hours in bed trying to get warm. I'd never had strong chills from shrooms before.
I also noticed a larger degree of clumsiness than I'd noticed before; almost missed a chair while sitting down when the trip was almost over.

This seemed harder on my body than straight up shrooms. It's definitely stronger, but if there are plenty of shrooms I'm not sure that it's an improvement... In a few weeks I'll try again and see if I still get chills. The differences in my physical response make me suspect more than speed of absorption is changed. I think there must be some other chemical alteration going on. Maybe complexing with the ligand of the weak acid like Wiccanseeker suggests.

Underhillmaster, You really found something here! Thanks for getting the thread started.

Tsin

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Re: lemon-lime test [Re: Tsinaglou]
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Man, why didn't I checked this thread out before I tripped on Friday :frown:

I'm a medium lightweight (shroom wise), I weigh just over 10 stone (I'm a veggie :crazy2:), 18 years old, on Friday I had 1.5g's of dried P. Cyanescens and had a bad trip, I didn't give it time to get any more intense and started throwing up like crazy and tried everything I could to stop the trip and succeeded to a certain degree.

I'm up for trying this lemon juice shot thing in about a month, does anyone have a vague idea on how many dried grams of P. Cyanescens I should have in this experimental way?


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: PIPBoy2000]
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Yes it does, every try dissolving percocets in grapefruit juice?

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Re: I may have discovered something... [now a community experiment - please contribute] [Re: Underhillmaster]
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Anyone know if theres a difference between leaving the lemon juice shroom cocktail for 5 min and 30 mins?
Does it have an effect on intensity?

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Re: I may have discovered something... [now a community experiment - please contribute] [Re: psychedelix]
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I had mine sit in lemon juice for 6 hours the other night, and it was pretty damn intense. I would say it does help to sit them longer.


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Re: I may have discovered something... [now a community experiment - please contribute] [Re: hot48yearolds]
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WTF :hitler:
Dude, is that an icon of mckenna?  That shit's just on a different level...
speaking of different levels..... => http://www.break.com/articles/houselights.html
dbl click for fullscreen

Note: I watched this comming down off shroom trip and I was laughing histerically...
Would that be normal? :mrt:

Edited by psychedelix (11/22/05 02:59 AM)

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Asante]
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I'd like to suggest another line of thinking... Could it be that the potential of any substance being utilized by the body is in fact completely related to the bodies ability to process it. Which means if you ate a natural diet of fresh grown vegetables, fruits, and mushrooms your body would have plenty of the things your body needs to works at an optimum level. Vitamin C is vital to your body and is used most when your body is under stress. Raw veges and fruits have lots of vitamin C. I think the next experiment is to eat all raw foods for a week before tripping. Or try splitting a bell pepper up for stages of the trip.

I do have one experience to add but I don't suggest anyone try it. I once drank a mushroom tea and then smoked syrian rue seeds... I smoked them 15 minutes after drinking the tea maybe. = I instantly went to peak and it stayed up for the trip.... the rue gave the trip a different feel though. I'd prefer without it. Plus maois can be dangerous if you forget to take precautions.

reshi I think could boost a trip... I can feel the affects of reshi and I think it would be synergetic.

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: 888]
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I tried this over the weekend with a friend.

We tripped Friday nite at 2.25 grams each. I was quite surprised the tolerance seemed overcome by the lemon juice, especially since we tripped a lower dose.

Come Saturday, less than 24 hours later, she and I each ate 1.25 grams of dried cubensis followed by a shot of fresh squeezed lemon each...not powedered and mixed. Within 15 mins. of eating the shrooms, I began having nice visuals. Within the next 30 mins., the trip started to take a different turn. It got heavy, fairly quickly, but was not unbearable.

I had some revelations and an enjoyable time. The total trip, from start till sleep lasted for 5 hours; even as I was attempting to go to sleep, I was not completely down.

My friend, however did not have as much of a trip. It took an hour or so for her to kick off. She said she had some strong viusals but few profound thoughts...more of a clearing of the mind.

I will be trying smaller doses with lemon juice in the future to see just how powerful this could be.


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Re: lemon-lime test [Re: Tsinaglou]
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I heard previously to this thread that acid enhances trips, and after reading all this, I was enthusiastic to aid to the effort.

I'm mid 20's male and ~160lbs. At 1pm I consumed 3 grams of authentic Golden Caps (the heads were a shiny vibrant gold, with blue root ends) along with .5 liters of MinuteMaid Lemonade (this trip was by myself). I chewed the mush in my mouth into the smallest pieces possible (to the point that chewing anymore wouldn't make it any finer) and then swallowed. Then I took a large swig of lemonade, and then repeated till both mush and drink were in my stomach.

About 30 min later I walked to get some food, and as I was waiting in line, I started feeling less in control of my body. I quickly got the food, and sucessfully walked home, where I ate it (2 slices of pizza...typical size, along with a coke).

About 1 hour into, I was tripping the hardest I ever had. Easily a level 5 experience. My mindset before tripping was for scientific and spiritual purposes. While peaking, I had no ego, I couldn't comprehend myself nor my enviroment, and spent my time anaylizing how I felt. I determined I was god, along with everything in the world around me.

I remembered thinking to myself, "So this is what monks feel like when they achieve spiritual enlightenment." I thought to myself a common spiritual question that people ask each other, "Do you believe in God?"...and I started laughing hysterically and uncontrollably. I thought to myself, "well it doesn't matter how you answer it, because you are god along with the person that asked you..so OF COURSE there is god!!"

My come down was about 5 hours later, and was verrryyy sloww. I wasn't sober until 11. I couldn't comprehend anything I just went through, and all I did was ponder my trip.

For now on I am eating my shrooms with lemonade.

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: demiu5]
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demius said:
I was quite surprised the tolerance seemed overcome by the lemon juice, especially since we tripped a lower dose.



this is pretty interesting. it would be great if tolerence were no longer a factor. i think some experimenting should be done here.

--waixingren


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: waixingren]
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ele check out the black currant juice thread you might find it interesting


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: incubaby_421]
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anyone seen this visual before while halucinating? i am very keen to talk to anyone who has....pat_magrath@yahoo.com.au


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: shroompower]
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tried it with grapefruit juice with only a couple fresh mushrooms not even a gram dried and got something off of it


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: PyroCin]
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I mixed 3.5 grams of dried cubensis into a cup of guava juice last time I tripped, with no expectation of altering the effect of the shrooms. I began feeling effects after about 20 minutes, and the come up was very intense. I reached a level 4+ trip. The person I was with put his portion into a burrito, and had a noticably less intense trip.

After a little research I found that guava juice has a lot more vitamin C:

Guava juice has 146.4mg/100g while lemon juice has 46mg/100g. If someone wanted to go all out, they would mix their mushrooms into acerola juice: 1600mg/100g...

Anyone have acerola juice? If vitamin c is correlated, it could be quite a ride.


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Jfisher]
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Sorry for not being logical? But if Vit C is the key, cant I just grind up some Vit C pills into any liquid and put the powdered shrooms in with them?

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: DyeGreen]
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acidity is the key


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Re: I may have discovered something... [now a community experiment - please contribute] [Re: Underhillmaster]
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This is all with 1g of powdered cubes, nothing special about the strain or anything, I usually took an eighth of these to trip with good visuals. With this 1g in the shotglass grapefruit juice method I got more than I normally get off 3.5g -- I know mushrooms and I know my body, this was no placebo. I'm not ever doing shrooms any other way.

# What liquid are you using? - Grapefruit Juice
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# How much liquid did you drink the powder with? (oz) - about 4oz
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# Time to "first alert" (aka, "whoa, something's definitely going to happen") - 10 minutes
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# Time to onset of visual disturbance - 40 minutes
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# Time to peak (rough estimate) - 90 minutes
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# Time to first sign of diminishing effects - approx 200 minutes, smoked pot and it came back up to peak immed
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# Time to baseline (indiscernable effects) - unknown, reboosted the trip with pot 3 times and then crashed

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