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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: DyeGreen]
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im too lazy to read all that, but i know acids dramatically increase trips becuase ive tried the cranberry method, i blended a 10 gram wet shroom in a blender with sum cran/apple not even straight cran. it was so discusting tho i only took a small sip, about a half hour later i noticed a nice body buz comin on, i knew i was tripping, at least a level 2 or so off a little sip, i didnt think it could be happening off one sip, so i went in the bathroom(i was at the library) and washed my face with cold water and walked out liek wtf i dunno if i was trippin or im exaggerating, 5 mins later i still couldnt focus on typing and i felt the same again, it lasted (a level 1 or 2) for about 2 hours, but still...yes, we are definitly on to somethin cuz i only took a sip and i had a whole cup left

odly enough i tried to measure my sips the next and and nothing happend, waited a another day or so and still nothing...so u have to seperate ur trips tho ya def cant trip every day, now im gonna post my explanation on why i think acids really kick up shroom trips, i had it written down but its not with me so ill try to go from memory:

Edited by caboomers (12/01/05 05:29 PM)

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: caboomers]
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Lets say a man had a vitaman c defficiency and was becoming unhealthy, he goes tot he doctor...the doctor of course will say, eat your fruits and vegetable , particually those that have great vitamin c in them..

when he starts eatin fruits, do you think he will get better faster eatin slightly rotten fruits? or fresh fruits?

if u havent know this you should, when making apple pies, some recipies call for a little lemon juice on the apples to keep them from browing, aka rotting, and it works, they can sit out for much longer with out rotting than if they hadnt been doused w/lemon juice

now with that said, imagine if u could eat a shroom and get every single psylocibin conating cell from the shroom, in your body

what i mean is, we all know to handle shrooms gently because they bruise easy, meanin the destruction of psylocibin cells in the area u bruised it at, which is why we dont eat rotten slimy ones becuase theyre very low in psylocibin content, most of those cells are destroyed and rotted away

even when dried, i think your saliva rehydrates the shroom, and when ur biting down and chewing, its bruising it, causing those magical cells to be destroyed, yes, sooner or later a few get through ur body and u trip,

but by powdering them, then dousing them with something acidic, the acid sort of coats it, protects it, and preserves it (liek the apples) so while its going through your blood stream waiting to be absorbed, its protected by the acid, not rotting away before its fully absorbed in ur body

also powdering ...its just nutz like, because when powdered, then ur helping it get digested even quicker and having even less time to rott away in ur body before being absorbed, so yea... the shit is real, acually its the only way i dose no, u save alot too, u can trip balls off one small shroom, next im trying lemon juice...

hope that helps

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: caboomers]
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WTF? Wiccan seeker already explained pretty well a couple of times on this thread why the lemon juice method works, and it has nothing to do with rotting. Most people on here have tried this method with DRIED shrooms

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Demotriton]
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ya but fresh hits even harder

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Underhillmaster]
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cool  :handth:


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The world of imagination is the world of eternity. It is the divine bosom into which we shall all go after the death of the vegetated body. This world of imagination is infinite and eternal, whereas the world of generation is finite and temporal. There exist in that eternal world the eternal realities of everything which we see reflected in this vegetable glass of nature.

-William Blake

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: caboomers]
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caboomers said:
ya but fresh hits even harder


how would you know that?

according to what you posted, all you have tried is a single sip from a 10g wet shroom mixed w/cranberry. to which you ignorantly tried to take some again the next day and then a day or so after that.

so when have you had this vast experience comparing fresh and dried shrooms soaked in juice??


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Bamaman]
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ok then, according to what ive posted,...according to what ive done, aroudn 3gr powdered in cran juice, 10 wet in cranberry and didnt finsih but did have a body buzz and some color distortion, and just last night about 5 or so grams wet in a small shot glass off lemon juice,

no one asked me how fresh in acidic juices compares to dry in acidic juices, all i can say is what ive tried and how it affected me, and i can say 10g fresh in cran off a couple small sips(or one big sip, u cant measure sips) hit me faster than 3g powdered in 6oz cran juice...powedered lasted much longer but took longer to kick

btw bam no one offended you so dont come at me with ur panties all tight and bunched up cuz i just stated why I figure acids make mush more potent, it was an ANALOGY compared to a THEORY of MINE, that i felt people should read to see another viewpoint on it, i never said mine was right or anyone elses was wrong

go back and read my post, look for key works like "lets say" and.." i think" before u go tryin to "put me in my place", but really making urself look like an ass



and to what the other guy said, if it has nothing to do with rotting then do this: put 30 or so grams wet in a plastic bag, eat them a few days later, give trip report, then put another 30 grams wet in a plastic bag submerged in lemon juice, a few days later they will look cooked but not decaying or rotted, eat those.. and post whcich ones gave you a better experience.

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: caboomers]
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well i just drank 1.1 grams in about a shot glass' worth of lemon juice,(room temp,fresh squezzed) on an empty stomach (haven't eaten in four hours) I drank one boont amber ale about an hour and a half ago,and took a bongrip about two hours ago. I am interested to see how this turns out. I read all 47 pages of this post,so i'll add my own experience once this kicks in,or doesn't. I also havent eaten mushrooms in a while (months) I drank some amanita tea about two weeks ago,and ate some MG seeds on monday,so my tolerance shouldn't be to high. anyways i'll check back in later.Peace,
rick


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Underhillmaster]
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Underhillmaster said:
Lol, well I tried my single gram with lemon/lime.  I used the juice from one lemon and one lime, which was exactly 1 fl. oz.  I powdered my shrooms and combined.  The effects were very noticeable, I got very spaced out listening to the new Shpongle album.  The trip as a whole was equivalent to 3-4g eaten.  I know it sounds crazy, but it literally feels like your tripping harder by a factor of 2x or 3x lol.  I know a lot of you out there are a bit skeptical at this point.  It's something you have to do to believe.  In my original post to this thread, I expressed CAUTION, and I still think that way at this point.  4+g done this way could very well cause loss of control.  But done with a little respect, I think you will be astounded by the results.

This discovery could transform the whole mushroom culture, it's that incredible lol.  During both trips, I felt like the lemon was teaching me the true meaning of the mushroom :0  During the first trip, I actually felt I had become the Lemon Prophet lol.  Well I have shared the discovery, and I hope it benefits us all :smile:


Hey Moderators-- Change this man's title to "The Lemon Prophet" -- He deserves a special title :smile:

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Re: This hyphus (thread) [Re: stefan]
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stefan said:
Hi wiccan :smile:

It's very probably that something is going on, but we can't be sure is what I was saying. Please keep the idea of a control-group in mind (see my post above) to make it a better experiment.

I'll probably try it :cool:
...but I still don't feel like tripping yet since  this trip in the summer vacation :smirk: It is slowly starting to itch again though, so in a while I'll be ready for a new psychedelic adventure :grin:


PS have fun Annom!! *will be sending good vibes your way tonight!* :laugh:


I have a good idea for a control group here. As soon as I can get some shroomies togeather i'm going to get 9 of my friends over (if someone wants to try a varient of this in the meanwhile go ahead please). Giving a 2G dry dosage. I won't be able to tell you much about where they were grown etc. most likely but I can get pictures if you guys want before we grind them up. I'll grind them in a stainless steel garlic grinder I have and conduct an experiment. I will make 3 drinks with lemon juice, 3 drinks with cranburry juice, and 3 drinks with plain ordanary tap water. I will allow 1 person from each group to read this post and tell 1 person about it (but not allow them to read it) from each group. The third person from each group will not know about it. At that point we should be able to have some verification as to the placubo effect. If we could get people to try similar things to this as well it could help signifigantly.

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Re: This hyphus (thread) [Re: rickpsfuckyou]
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Wow-- I just spent like 4 straight hours reading this thread from top to bottom.... I'll see about getting my control group going first thing in the morning. Good night all :smile:

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Re: This hyphus (thread) [Re: Ekras]
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so yeah i was rather skeptical, but that shit works,or at least it did for me. i read all 48 pages of the post and cant really say anything about why it works that hasn't already been said(im scientifically ignorant) I have to admit that i had this gal i know hook up the mush from a friend who lives far from me. she and her boyfriend took some last night and when i went and got the eighth they picked up for me,this morning, my friend brian(the boyfriend) said "they're almost to good" now i didn't really think nuthin of it, cause i had just woken up and wasnt quite up to speed,but lookin back my report may be abit biased or not i let you decide. ive tripped a bunch off of many different things so i believe that my judgement is sound. Ive tripped off mushies like 75-100 times and lsd around 20-30, as well as other random entheogen such as cactus amanitas MG etc. Anyways ive only tripped this hard a few times,to where i was feeling a sense of impending doom,and never i repeat ever has it been off a single gram.
call it placebo or potent goodies but i was feeling panicky. I had visuals but it paled in comparison to the mental/body high i was intensly experiencing. I had read that these trips were profoundly more visual when mixed with lemon juice,but for me it was almost opposite. the come up was reminiscent of tea, but it got really intense,usually tea is more visually active for me than eatin, this time i got normal run of the mill visuals but i had an almost overwhelming mental effect and a really sensational body high,as if IMHO i had eaten about an eight, this is just a rough estimate but,to me it was way more intense than it should have been. I usually dose 1/2 eighth for recreation and 1/8 for contemplative journeys so this is a pleasant surprise. Props to the LEMON PROPHET for figurin this shit out.
peace,
rick


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Re: This hyphus (thread) [Re: rickpsfuckyou]
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I've been reading this thread for weeks now, and this weekend my wife and I managed to send the kids far away from the house (not easy with a 1 y/o), so this was the opportunity to try it.

I usually dose comparatively heavy, as I'm not very sensitive. The lowest I take i 1/8, but usually it's more between 4.5 and 5.5 grams (never tried higher).

Yesterday at 2pm, I prepared 1.25 grams of mushroom dust for my wife and 2.15 grams for myself, I let it sit for 15 mins in freshly squeezed lemon juice (2 lemons each) and then we drank it. This was the first time I tried my new batch of homegrown.

In fact, everything went pretty much in the opposite way some posts here led me to expect. The come up was pretty slow, as if we had chewed them. I've tried tea many times before, which made for a steep come up and a rather short trip. This was a slow, gradual come up.

As the previous experimenter said, visuals were OK but nothing incredible (I'm never very visual anyway). The body high was very strong, and the trip was a hell of a mindfuck (which is OK with me). We were both sent head first into emotional family issues and family secrets from the past, I got more in touch with my grief over my grandmother's impending death than ever before, etc. We had lighter moments luckily, so we also laughed a good deal. This was all in bed, with candlelight only and no music (which I sometimes missed, so I started to whistle my favorite tripping music; I love singing or whistling while tripping).

To sum it up, I never tripped this hard on mushrooms!! I think the potentiation estimates between 2x and 3x are pretty accurate, I would estimate it more towards 3x.
We repeatedly thought we were coming down, until the next wave hit us. This went on for a pretty long time. I guess we really started coming down about 4 hours after ingestion, but it took another while (like 2 hours) to get back to baseline. I never trip that long, I'm more of a short-run tripper.

So yeah, it definitely worked for us. But I wouldn't say I'll never trip without lemons again.
The first problem is acidity. I felt a strong burn in my esophagus for a long time after ingestion. I could have done without that. The second is the heavy body load, which remained for quite a while after the comedown. I think for me, this is a good method for deep, introspective trips at home. In more social situations, I will simply continue chewing them.

The good news is the potentiation. My new batch is about 60 dried grams so far. With this lemon method, that means 30 strong trips instead of 15 medium ones. :crazy2:

Anyway, great discovery, I'll spread the word.

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Re: This hyphus (thread) [Re: Aldous]
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Well I checked around... so far I can definatl get at least 5 friends.... working on getting the other 4 and the shroomies... a friend of mine should let me know about that tonight.

-Ekras

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Re: This hyphus (thread) [Re: Ekras]
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I too gave this tek a whirl. Usually ill just munch on the go. This time I lowered my usual dosage from 3-3.5 to approximately 1.5 grams of dried cubensis. Ground up in short bursts in a coffee grinder and mixed with freshly squeezed lemon juice in a shot glass. I noticed my peak hit really fast. It was more than i expected from such a little amount. From baseline I decided to mix sum records in anticipation for the trip. Less than 20 minutes into it I was grounded. My peak was spent candlelit and in silence. Visuals included breathing walls and the illusion that my turntables were getting closer to me. The body load was noticeably more intense than the visuals, and the mindfuck was pretty intense too, but then again I am always like that with mushrooms. I recommend this technique to all trippers as it gives you a bang for your buck if you can't really get ahold of a lot. All in all I think it does give an accelerated comeup, but gives a shorter afterglow.

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Re: This hyphus (thread) [Re: Tails_crypt]
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Ok first of all I don't know if this has been mentioned yet because I haven't read all 48 pages! :stoned:  Anyway I just downloaded a BBC documentary called 'The Human Mind, Personality (ep. 2)'.  It shows that introverted people as opposed to extroverted, outgoing people produce more saliva when they are given a drop of lemon juice (applied on tongue).  It says that our brain reacts to lemon juice, and meeting people, in the same way.  Basically, the extroverts have less sensitive areas of the brain that deal with meeting people, and the introverts brain reacts more to these circumstances- which are stimulated by lemon juice.

Hmm, interesting.  I wonder if the reality shift created by shrooms is similar in the way it stimulates us as in when we have a conversation or go to a party.  This might explain the very different effects lemon juice + shrooms has on different people.  Maybe it would be helpful to also note if you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert when posting details of trips.  I intend to post a report in a couple of weeks if my first grow goes OK.

Love is all.


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: rickpsfuckyou]
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ya, do that. i gotta hear this....

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: caboomers]
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Well the lemon is slowly spreading around the world lol.  I knew this was big enough finding that it would spread on its own.  I am up to 6 trips with lemon now and it has worked every single time for me.  I have also been able to fine tune my dosage to get my desired level of high.  About 2.8g will send me to the level4/level 5 boundary without total ego loss.  I find it very interesting that different people that agree that it worked for them, described different effects.  Some had stronger visuals, some had less than normal.  Same for the mindfuck, some had more and some had less.  For me personally, visuals and mindstate both increase with lemon, but my trip burns out faster.  Which is why I like it.  But lets say lemon/shrooms give you stronger visuals then other consumption methods.  You then might be able to choose between a more visual trip(lemon/shroom) or a less visual one.  That would be pretty cool, kind of like different 'flavors' of trips.

Anyway, everybody keep up the experiment, we are getting a very large collection of experiences gathered on this thread.  We are obviously on to something, but I knew that since day 1 :smile:


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Underhillmaster]
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yea i would say theres no need for a control, just do it, i wouldnt think theres a placaebo effect either, it just is what it is, 2 grams in water, 2 grams in lemon juice...theyre 2 totally diff things, if there was a placeabo i WISH i could trick my mind in to tripping balls off a gram n a half shit lol...that'd take alot of tricking

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: caboomers]
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I have recieved one pill full of Mushroom extract to the equivelent strength of 3 grams.
(i usually avoid unknown pills but i personaly know three people who have taken what i have to wild success)

so here was what i was told to do
make a Cranberry juice/lemon juice/vinigar(if no lemons are around) cocktail.
guzzle the fucker while popping the pill.

that is essentially my plan for one of these nights.
i will post with a detailed report later.


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