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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: HeavyToilet]
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Maybe. I've always found mushrooms kind of revolting, so I'm keen for ways of taking mushrooms that don't involve taking mushrooms, if you know what I mean. Anyway, my line of thinking goes like this:

Our whole citrus fruit juice + shrooms thing seems to work for most people, and our working theory for why it works is that a citrusy liquid is efficient at extracting psilocybin. Now, if this is true, it follows that the actual fungal matter that's been steeping in the juice may be largely inert by the time you drink your shot. If that's the case, then there's basically no point to consuming the actual mushroom powder anymore.

Anyway, I have enough on hand that I can afford to waste a couple grams on an experiment. I've taken two grams of powdered shrooms and one gram of piracetam (I've heard anecdotes about piracetam potentiating shrooms, and I like it on its own anyway) and put them in an empty 12-ounce Dasani bottle into which was then poured cranberry juice. This was allowed to stand and occasionally agitated for an hour at which time I passed it through a reusable mesh coffee filter and returned it to the bottle. The liquid still has a bit of very fine sediment in it, and is noticeably darker and more opaque than ordinary cranberry juice. It's sitting in the fridge right now.

The only problem is that I wasn't thinking ahead all that well; I don't want to take it today because I just tripped on Sunday and I don't want tolerance to affect the results. I will not have a good opportunity to drink the stuff tomorrow... so it'll be Thursday before I have a chance to see if this is any good or not.

Edited by Chibboleth (12/13/05 03:08 PM)

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Chibboleth]
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I think it'd be a good experiment to make two of these mixes, with the exact same amounts of juice and powder from the same batch of mushrooms. Then strain one and leave the powder in the other, then compare the trips (with a week in between to negate the tolerance).

After all that's the only way you're going to know for sure if it affects potency, a little bit of science gives definate answers :wink:


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Kodath]
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Quote:
I ground up only 2 grams of mushrooms and .... Now I've done a standalone dose as high as 4.5 grams and this was definatly more intense, I'd say the lemon juice potentiated it by 3x.


i was all excited when i first saw this thread, but after reading this i'm not sure i want to perform this experiment on myself.


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Kodath]
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Kodath said:
I think it'd be a good experiment to make two of these mixes, with the exact same amounts of juice and powder from the same batch of mushrooms. Then strain one and leave the powder in the other, then compare the trips (with a week in between to negate the tolerance).


This is a solid idea, and I'll follow up on it if nobody else does. It'll have to wait, though, as on top of everything else I'm afraid potency might be degraded by sitting in the fridge for a couple of days and it's necessary to eliminate that as a variable. I'll tentatively plan on doing this next week and the week after, then.

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Chibboleth]
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Followup: I drank the concoction described above earlier. The cranberry had a hint of mushroom flavor which was actually quite pleasant. Onset started at 15 minutes, and comeup was fast. I tripped for about two hours.

Although the trip was short, it was more intense than I'd expect from 2g. It felt like my typical dose, which is 3.5-4. I'll try this again next week sometime with the powder left in and see if it makes any difference... but unless the change is pretty dramatic it's not like I'll be able to quantify it.

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Chibboleth]
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i must say, you've discovered something akin to smoking weed out of a light bulb (or other vaporizer) in that you can certainly stretch the amount to go further than with conventional means of ingestion.

the first time i used about half an eighth, just crushed with the flat side of a table spoon, and soaked in the lemon juice for approx. ten minutes. pretty good visuals (cottage cheese ceiling was a wonder to behold), definitely got into the music (jam & spoon's "tripomatic fairytales 2002" is sublime tripping music) and overall had about as great a time as i'd expect on a full eighth.

second time i used a full eighth thrown in a food processor (which didn't work as well as i suppose a coffee grinder would, but certainly better than the backside of a tablespoon) and soaked for less time, maybe 5 minutes. comeup seemed a little faster (it generally takes me over an hour to really feel it when i chew the fungus) and after about an hour and a half i smoked a bowl which put me into i'd say high level three or low four. i listened to and was stunned by the perenial favorite: dark side of the moon. CEVs were intense and richly detailed and flowing. it was certainly one of the most visual trips i've ever had.

lemons herald great news!



# What liquid are you using?
-- pure sqeezed lemon juice: about two medium lemons' worth.
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# How much liquid did you drink the powder with? (oz)
~2.5 oz
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# Time to "first alert" (aka, "whoa, something's definitely going to happen")
-- about half hour or so. i've always had slow come ups.
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# Time to onset of visual disturbance

-- about an hour (see above)
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# Time to peak (rough estimate)
-- an hour and a half.

# Time to first sign of diminishing effects

-- three hours after ingestion
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# Time to baseline (indiscernable effects)

-- five hours or more, i "reupped" with good weed a few times.

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: cily4p]
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alright... im gonna try it out tomorrow....i need some help though???
i plan on getting an eigth, and plan on mixing the lemon juice with about 1.5g, and chewing the rest... is this a good idea??
i dunno if it'll lower the effects or not... but im actually looking for a really good trip (more than experimenting)...how long after (or before) chewing the shrooms should i drink up the mixture??
and how much of the lemon juice should i mix in with 1.5g of shrooms??

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: joshrd]
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joshrd said:
alright... im gonna try it out tomorrow....i need some help though???



i'd say it depends on your experience / level of comfort. if i were doing it, i think i'd eat half 1/8 first and maybe half an hour or so into it drink the remaining in the lemon elixir. for 1.5 grams try to grind as finely as possible and soak in the juice of one or two lemons, depending on your preference. i guess leave it soak for some number of minutes, varying reports seem to suggest different times, but it probably doesn't matter to any great extent.

but if you can why not just try half and see if you observe the potentiation? lots have.

good light to you either way.

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: cily4p]
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if psilocybin is converted to psilobin in lemon i assume its reasonable to belive that the effects of pure psilobin would be similar to this lemon tek. have anyone tried pure psilobin? or any reports that can confirm this?

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: shamantra]
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thanks cily4p....
im gonna do it in another 4 hours!!


and im trying the lemon elixir (without chewing) later this month...!

thanks!

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: shamantra]
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I could be wrong but I don't think the lemon juice actually converts psilocybin to psilocin. I think what happens is the citric acid extracts the psilocybin from the mushrooms, and since liquid is metabolised much faster than solids you get more psilocybin (or psilocin really) in a shorter amount of time.

Of course pure psilocin would hit you much faster and harder, since the stomach wouldn't have to convert anything first.


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Kodath]
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im gonna have to try it with cranberry, sounds fun!

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: poopooman]
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I've read every post...now what? Where are the heralded members of the shroomery and their experiences? Come on old timers...I thought I'd eventually find your participation as I read...hm, only a couple. Curiously, why is this?


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: ShrewDigsby]
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i tried the lemon thing, squeezed out about 1 and a half lemons into a glass, divided my 3.5gms about 50-50, put one half in the juice, and started munching the rest. waited for about 20 mins, and tried gulping the juice down. was a little disgusting, so i drank it over like 3-4 mins, and chewed up the remaining shrooms inthe glass.

within 10 mins (a game of bluff), i was trippin' my ass off.
the visuals were pretty intense, i'd say about 2-3 times as hard as the last time i did an eigth. started seeing 3d this time around.

ive got another eigth left, probably do that in about another week or so, only with the juice, jst to see how it increases the effects.



Thanks to all the ppl who tried this out/offered help!!!

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: ShrewDigsby]
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I'm gonna give it a shot right now.

I have a bunch of mushroom bits inside lemon juice. Unfortunately I couldn't really grind them into powder, but they're in pretty small pieces. I'll see how it goes... I think I'll leave them in there for 20-25 minutes.

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: HeavyToilet]
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I took one half an 8th of shrooms one time with no cranberry juice and the trip was good (bodily warmth, slight visuals, etc) but nothing crazy, and then the next weekend I did the other half of the 8th /w cranberry juice (Ocean Spray brand) and it felt far more intense (longer lasting, more visuals, and a much more spiritual journey). Sorry I can't provide grams, I am sort of a new tripper.


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Syle]
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That's ok. An eighth is roughly 3.5 grams.

I'm not sure how much I have in this lemon juice, probably a half eighth, maybe a bit more.

I'm just letting it sit for now, while I try and get this fucking cd burner to burn my music. It keeps doing stupid crap... it might actually work this time though. I'll probably take it in a few minutes, it's been half an hour.

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: HeavyToilet]
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Hey Heavytoilet. Canadian Tire carries a VERY cool,small coffee grinder for....9 BUCKS. It's excellent and the cord even winds back up into the unit. I saved up CT money and got it for free.


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Blackhart]
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MODS....why dont we put a poll right next to that Edit in the Original post that can support or maybe even confirm this theory. This has gained eneough recognition where I think such a noition would be beneficial.
Something like:


It was beneficial/It was not beneficial (pik one)

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(1) I have tried this method and found it to drastically increase overall effects

(2) I have tried this method and found it to moderately increase overall effects

(3) I have tried this method and found it to subtely increase overall effects

(4) I have tried this and found the duration to be shorter with a higher intensity. (poster's experience)

(5) I have tried this method and could not identify any incease/effect outside that of the placebo.

etc.. etc.. I jsut think we should get a general consensus opinion on this topic rather than trying to razor cut these reports.

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GOOOOOOOOD QUESTION FOR THIS EXPERIMENT [Re: OrizonsHorizon]
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Say i wanted to mix lemon/lime juice with boomer powder, put it in a bottle w/a cap and maybe in the fridge for storage. Think leaving it in the acidic juice would change chemical properties for better or worse over the period of say a week or so in the bottle. Yes i am considering business opportunities when my batch blooms lol, gotta make a decent amount of dough to fix my car w/o rippin ppl off. Lets hear some theories. . .


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