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OfflineSnobrdr311
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Captain Jack, Thor...what the hell?
    #498449 - 12/22/01 04:22 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

why are these posts about McMan being deleted? I don't understand? Thor's in there talking but Captain Jack decides to delete it? I think it's good to get the OMC and newbies aware of misconduct done by vendors, we all know McMan is a narc and not trustworthy, but why lock a thread when it's doing more good than bad? This is the proper place for it, it was a good discussion, we had a poll, why lock it?

leave the damn posts go, jesus, no reason to ban them, they're discussions as to the conduct of certain people who can't be trusted, LET THEM GO!


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Re: Captain Jack, Thor...what the hell? [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #498487 - 12/22/01 08:18 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I agree.

I also find this incessant locking of threads to be rather negative practice and extremely harmful to resolving the issues at hand. These threads are related to vendors and the services they provide and should not be shut down. Those who wish to observe may do so and anyone with a significant problem with it can easily not read the thread.

I find it dismaying to discover that even in such a friendly place as here we discover that capitalist concepts such as bribery are still evident. If you're wondering what I'm referring to I suggest you read the thor vs mcman thread (can't remember the topic, its locked.. you can't miss it). Perhaps this thread 'went astray' somewhat but considering the fact it strayed to the description of the business dealings between the shroomery and vendors making it public I have to applaud Thor for being open about this.

Neither do I agree on banning McMan purely on the basis of his challenging of the validity of RH's pics. Not to say that I agree with him of course because every issue brought up with that particular picture was nothing more than the paranoid rantings of a nitpicker. Digital Images can be quite truncated unlike a normal developer camera, that to me looks like image quality loss. The level of manipulation that was implied on RH's image was far higher than McMan's fabulous cut, mirror and paste routine.

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Re: Captain Jack, Thor...what the hell? [Re: flaw]
    #498531 - 12/22/01 12:16 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

I also find this incessant locking of threads to be rather negative practice and extremely harmful to resolving the issues at hand. These threads are related to vendors and the services they provide and should not be shut down. Those who wish to observe may do so and anyone with a significant problem with it can easily not read the thread.



You obviously haven't been around very long. These "issues" are OLD and will NEVER be resolved because no one ever tries to resolve shit around here. It is always he said/ she said bullshit. MOST of these "issues" are personal and should be handled that way. Instead people want to hang out their dirty laundry for all to see. No one tries to resolve anything. It is always an effort to see who can make who look worst in the public eye. SO VERY CHILDISH!!!
And to those that instigate and such like you, if you want a fuckin Soap Opera cut on the T.V. This is NOT the place for such LOW value entertainment. The members that have been here for a long time know who is who, who has REALLY done what, and do not want these boards to serve as boxing rings. Instead any member worth their membership, should be interested in productive posts that are relevent to the subject matter.
People that want to be involved or be entertained by all this BULLSHIT need to leave and start a going somewhere that condones this behavior and leave the rest of us alone so we can continue to be productive.
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Re: Captain Jack, Thor...what the hell? [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #498566 - 12/22/01 01:52 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

You make it sound like it was innocent discussion. It was everybody jumping on a vendor, going over the same stuff.

If you want to discuss a vendor's services in a professional manner, go ahead.

But if you want to insult, slander, or gang up on a vendor, I'm going to lock the thread.

And I haven't deleted anything in the Vendors forum.


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Re: Captain Jack, Thor...what the hell? [Re: Captain Jack]
    #498635 - 12/22/01 04:11 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Well, I am new to this site and I, for one, am glad to see all those post about the fighting between these two vendors for one reason. If this is how two "professional" conduct theirselves in a public forum then I do not wish to do buisness with either. One must remember by responding to negative attention with negative attention, be it by you directly or through another party, one leaves himself to look guilty. Schoolyard childern can be baited into a fight, these are grown men. That is a good reason to maintian these post. Sure the older memebers may know what is going on, and if that is all you care about you should not allow new members to your forum. Slanderous remarks can be handle in other ways, which grown ups know about.

My two cents,
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Re: Captain Jack, Thor...what the hell? [Re: TheJerk]
    #498665 - 12/22/01 04:51 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I agree with what the captain and dioze have done. I am tired of this bullshit. I dont have any problems with either of the vendors personally, but I feel that both of them should just grow up. Mcman really did not have to post those pics, and Ryche could have also acted alot differently. I have alot of things I see wrong with both of them but I will not post them because 1. I feel if I have a problem with them I should try and solve it with them personally I.E. PM, and 2. If I said anything bad about either of them I would have socks and their chrombies to deal with.
I am not trying to sound self-rightious or anything


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Re: Captain Jack, Thor...what the hell? [Re: blahblahblah]
    #498720 - 12/22/01 05:59 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Captain Jack,

It isn't slander if it's true. To say that we are slandering McMan implies that the claims aren't true. Be careful what you say.


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Re: Captain Jack, Thor...what the hell? [Re: flaw]
    #498729 - 12/22/01 06:27 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Order spores and syringes. Judge vendors on the quality and speediness of delivery. Order from within your country of residence if at all possible. You don't have to be best friends with a vendor, if the product comes and it is a good product, they are a good vendor. If a problem occurs, and you email them to get it resolved, and they resolve it, they are a good vendor.
I have been around here for some time now, and it appears that the majority of vendors that post here, if not all of them that do, deliver.
They deliver a quality product, in a timely manner. Some are faster then others. Order from the vendor that has what you want, at the time you want it.
Ignore any and all posts that attack pictures of mushrooms, or declare misrepresentation. When you order these spores they result in mushrooms. The resulting mushrooms will vary in appearance due to quantity and quality of substrate, quality of environment, and quantity of mushrooms formed. The only real misrepresentation, would be to buy one strain, and recieve another. This does not occur. These people are in business, and that kind of behavior, would put them out of business.
All this other shit, is just competition for business, and personal grudges. Ignore it. It goes back and forth, around and around, and will never end. If a vendor has something I want, it is reasonible priced, I order it. If it does not arrive, I email, if they refuse to answer, they loose my future business. If many people get burnt, by a bad vendor, that vendor will not be here posting. When you want to know about a vendor, ask two simple questions of this community, in a single post!!!
1. Are their products good?
2. Do they get to me if I order them?
If you really wanna be discriminating, How fast do they get to me?


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Re: Captain Jack, Thor...what the hell? [Re: dioze1]
    #498791 - 12/22/01 07:53 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

You've enticed me...

I've been here for a long enough time. Atleast I think 4 years is long enough. I've seen people slander each other and yes, it rarely has been resolved. Generally speaking I don't read the flame threads because I'm not interested in interpersonal relationships between people on here. The same personality defects that run riot in real life can be found quite easily when people get involved with each other too much on the internet.

If you don't wish to read the thread you don't have to, this is your freedom of choice and you should exercise it and stop infringing on other's rights to speak out.

I'm sure you're right on the fact that most of what was said in that thread was merely childish taunts and the like, this is not my interest, I did not even bother reading the parts that were obviously this.

I do however wish to know if for instance, McMan was trying to bribe Thor to move/delete pictures of RH's - why? so I can avoid this person. No I don't think this is further perpetuating childishness by asking that in a thread where this (and potentially more) comes out not be locked.

There's nothing entertaining about watching people play name calling games and I resent the accusation that you think people are trying to keep this going by saying that the threads should not be locked. There are facts that are slowly filtering out in these discussions and if I have to skim over people having their petty little 'wars' I will.

For the record, I was mostly specifically talking about the thor and McMan thread. Thor is most capable of ending the discussion when he sees that it is achieving nothing.


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Re: Captain Jack, Thor...what the hell? [Re: ]
    #498796 - 12/22/01 08:00 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Teonan, right on brother.

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Re: Captain Jack, Thor...what the hell? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #498797 - 12/22/01 08:00 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Doobie couldn't be any more correct, it's not slander! And by saying you deleated it I meant lock it.

it's not exactly true when you say we're ganging up on him, the man is starting all of the shit himself by accusing someone of the very same thing he was accused of, seems to me like he's still sore because we busted him out in the first place, now he finds the need to make senseless accusations when everyone who has half assed or better vision can see that Ryche's pictures definatly are NOT doctored. how old is this guy anyway? jesus, grow the fuck up! I loved the results of the polls btw.

Captain Jack, don't be such a pussy, let the threads go! that's what this forum is for, to make the OMC aware of possible threats and dangers in vendors, also many other things like positive feedback as well. this is NOT an old debate, McMan started this debate new, just a few days ago I believe. he started this shit himself, so in turn he should deserve to be dogged out on it as well.

Thor, please stop this guy from locking these threads, it serves many positive purposes, it allows the OMC to see this character for who he really is. As if it couldn't be any more obivous with the antics by the things he says and does.


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Re: Captain Jack, Thor...what the hell? [Re: dioze1]
    #498804 - 12/22/01 08:14 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Dioze1 those are all your personal opinions, i'd appriciate it if you would refer to those opinions as your own and not as the opinions and views of the shroomery or the OMC. I believe you're a minority when it comes to not wanting these posts to exist, maybe next time you should make that a little more clear instead of trying to insinuate that a member is "only worth his/her membership" if they don't want threads open discussing these issues. I happen to take offense to you making these statements saying we're not productive and/or saying we're not behaving.

maybe next time you can re-word these things so they look to represent your own opinions and views instead of trying to speak for others who very well may not feel the same way you do. Thor and 3Dshroom included.

and Flaw, thank you for taking the words right out of my mouth bro, very well said.


Edited by Snobrdr311 (12/22/01 08:23 PM)


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Re: Captain Jack, Thor...what the hell? [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #498823 - 12/22/01 08:50 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Threads that discuss things are one thing but threads that are filled with puppets psoting outright lies and slanderous bullshit is something else altogether. These threads should be LOCKED. They shold be flushed down the toilet. Newbies who don't understand this havn't seen the bullshit that the shroomery has gone through.

And while we're at it, mcman is posting under two names: Mycteck and mcman ll. Micron Magic is posting under two names: Micron Magic and Perverted Pete. These people have, in the past, whined unmercibly when a friend of mine posted some supporting remarks. These two and a couple others and thier supporting puppets (rolph for one) cried so much like little babies that a human friend of mine - TheTruth - was banned. And now here they are using puppets and not even trying to hide the fact.

Why the double standard mods? Why was TheTruth banned and not REAL puppets like Perverted Pete and McMan ll?


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Re: Captain Jack, Thor...what the hell? [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #498848 - 12/22/01 10:13 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I support my mods here, they were appointed for their attitude towards this kind of thing....

Honestly if you look at the poll I made in the last post, you can see that the most voted for thing was that people wanted us to stup this BS...

So obviously the massess are tired of this, its not like anything new has happened, its just old shit popping up again and I don't honestly think that people don't know about whats happened in the last few months.


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Re: Captain Jack, Thor...what the hell? [Re: Thor]
    #498868 - 12/22/01 10:52 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I believe there were more that were saying McMan is a fake, but whatever, I guess you're right Thor, I just think censorship and locking these threds is kinda like depriving us of a rights and freedoms.


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Re: Captain Jack, Thor...what the hell? [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #499120 - 12/23/01 04:16 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Several things....

First, to Doobie. Notice I said "But if you want to insult, slander, or gang up on a vendor". I did not claim that everything said about McMan was slander. But it was a lot of insulting and the old us vs them Spore Wars BS was going on.

To Snobrdr311....you keep saying shit about how "positive" the threads are that I locked. What are you smoking? It all looks negative to me....

Yeah, me locking a thread is depriving you of your rights and freedoms. What? Have you ever been to a civics class? You do not have the constitutional right to post whatever you want on the Shroomery, unless they've added a new amendment to it since the last time I checked ("The right to post to the Shroomery shall not be infringed upon by moderators" or something).


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Re: Captain Jack, Thor...what the hell? [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #499237 - 12/23/01 12:24 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Snob,
In reply to:

Instead any member worth their membership, should be interested in productive posts that are relevent to the subject matter.



I think it is rather obvious that this remark is opinion based, and based on a VERY popular opinion, I might add.
I do not understand what you are trying to say. If you were insulted by the post, then tough shit.
If you had any idea how many Mods have declined the oppurtunity to oversee this forum or how many Mods have just plain quit their position as Mod of this forum because of all the shit involved in trying to keep some order around here you might have a new outlook on me and my partner. I'll have you know we volunteered for this job and it is SOULY on the premise that the whole damn community was fed up with the chaos of this forum. We are here to keep order and peace and see that it functions in a productive manner.
As my partner stated above this is not a place that guarantees freedom of speach.
If you want to view these wars(almost verbatim) then do a back track and you will see it MANY times over. It is OLD news that can easily be found.
Me and the Captain do the job we were asked to do and we do it to the best of our abilities.
Now.....did you want some French Cries with that Whaaaburger?
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Re: Captain Jack, Thor...what the hell? [Re: Captain Jack]
    #499239 - 12/23/01 12:26 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

The Shroomery itself is a community. And as citizens of that community, people like to think that they have rights and liberties. You have been here long enough to understand that.

Locking threads however does little to stop a person's right to post on an issue because a new thread can easily be started. In fact one could argue that locking a thread only causes unresolved issues to take themselves to new threads and therefore increases the negativity which is opposite of the desired effect.

Bad blood doesn't go away by restricting communication. It only appears to.

Thread and post deletion, on the other hand, is indeed censorship and that is why it isn't done.

People are free to express any opinion that they see fit.

And no you didn't claim everything said about McMan was slander. It was more of an implication. I don't think it was intended though.

Captain Max,

I don't think that any double standards that may exist are intentional. Moderating is a tricky business. The administrators here want to send a message that socks are not tolerated, but it isn't always easy to see who the socks are. In the case of your friend, TheTruth, a poor decision may have been made, and it is those types of decisions that we try to avoid.


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Re: Captain Jack, Thor...what the hell? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #499262 - 12/23/01 01:03 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

No it isn't easy to spot the socks but when it is...then what?
Ban some, not others? I mean its pretty obvious that perverted pete and micron magic are the same, I'm sure he will admit to that. It's very clear in his posts. ..and I'm not trying to stir up any shit with MM, we're over that but things have to be said. What really brings it on is 'mcman ll'. He is already posting under mycoteck after having been banned and having said goodbye for good as mcman l.

What gives?

It would be different if these alternate names were only used as promotional gimmicks like Ronald McDonald, Wendy or my very own Miss Jenkins, the librarian who occasionaly gives away books. (Something coming soon I believe..)

But they are not. pp, mm, mc ll, myco, these names all have opinions and express them in various threads.

If this is ok then just let me ask...just how many voices per person are we allowed to have? Just the two or more?



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    #499275 - 12/23/01 01:24 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

10 One for each finger.


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