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InvisibleNuShroomPharmerII
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    #405695 - 09/27/01 12:11 AM (22 years, 5 months ago)


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Re: McMan and Ralph and Myco-Tek [Re: NuShroomPharmerII]
    #405708 - 09/27/01 12:24 AM (22 years, 5 months ago)

"Dishonesty like this cuts into the very foundation this community was built upon."

Come one now do you really mean that? I think you guys are taking this a little over the top personally. You act like they created a crime here for something that most every busniess does in advertizing. Grow up already. This type of thing doesn't suprise me one bit. I don't now who looks worse here - mycrotek or you guys that are picking apart there business.I think its too funny that this is treated for an administrative issue with the administrator jumping right in to settle the dispute like a referee - now this is real competition you guys. spore vendors - you got to love'em... none of them are competing for our money but they are sure to jump right in on any chance they can to slay another competitor or to make themself look good. this is too funny. I could care less how much you guys contribute - you look like a bunch of competitve yanks to me.



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Re: McMan and Ralph and Myco-Tek [Re: Crestone]
    #405895 - 09/27/01 04:52 AM (22 years, 5 months ago)

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Invisibleralphster44
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Re: McMan and Ralph and Myco-Tek [Re: psilocyber]
    #405983 - 09/27/01 08:45 AM (22 years, 5 months ago)

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    #406047 - 09/27/01 10:32 AM (22 years, 5 months ago)


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Re: McMan and Ralph and Myco-Tek [Re: ]
    #406050 - 09/27/01 10:35 AM (22 years, 5 months ago)

hehe I am not a least bit suprised either.... at last those bad guys ( I was never polite like thor) got their Karma hit back.
Ralphsole :9 and Mcman.... mushrooms are not something like selling souvenir. It has connection with spiritual thing, where fakers like you are are not welcomed.


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Re: McMan and Ralph and Myco-Tek [Re: jonnyshaggs420]
    #406074 - 09/27/01 10:54 AM (22 years, 5 months ago)

I also saw the pics were the same, it came to my mind they were very similar strains but they only had one pic, so they made a similar pic, after reading this post it looks like i was thinking right, no big deal if you ask me as a potential buyer. All cubs are very similar, even the same strains from diferent vendors grow and look a bit diferent, so i'm not going to complain if my B+ wich i bought to vendor A looks diferent than the B+ foto on vendor B.
Anyway, i also think everybody is a bit paranoid about this kind of issues, take some shrooms and eat them, it works great.

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    #406083 - 09/27/01 11:02 AM (22 years, 5 months ago)


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Re: McMan and Ralph and Myco-Tek [Re: McMan]
    #406114 - 09/27/01 11:25 AM (22 years, 5 months ago)

I've held off comment til now, but i gotta stick up for mcman here. First off, him & ralph are/have been for awhile, huge! contribitors to the omc. I believe all this strain, and that strain is he said, she said sort of stuff. I'd be willing to bet, if you had 15 of the different cube strains all grown on the same stuff, same conditons etc. save for a few, anyone would be hard pressed to notice much difference between them. Especially the ks "strains) I'm not saying they're all the same, but basically i think all the strain stuff is just a lot of hype. And it doesn't hurt sales, neither.
But as for misrepresentation, advertising is full of it. Do you complain that swiss vally (for example) shows a huge pitcher of diluted elmers glue being pouredinto a glass cuz it looks better on camera than real no. Fuck no, you go mmm. milk. I'd give more examples of very common stuff, but you all get the pt. It's just one of those things.

Edited by night train on 09/27/01 12:28 PM.



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Re: McMan and Ralph and Myco-Tek [Re: McMan]
    #406128 - 09/27/01 11:43 AM (22 years, 5 months ago)

<If you believe that then I have some camel rock p. mexicanas to offer you that were just freshly picked next to a rock that was in the shape of a camel! I personally don't see any deceit in showing a pic of a Gulf Coast strain that was picked in the tip of Florida vs. one that was picked next to a 400 year old cypress tree, further on down the stream? but if you guys are that anal about it, then that's your thing. However, I am deciding to keep the KS pic and will likely combine the two together and offer them as a single Koh Samui-Thai strain?like they should be! >

LOL, You are so right, who give a fuck, if your getting the spore you paid for then stop bicthing,you all are wineing over bull shit, let the Mcman and ralph sale there spores and stop bicthing !


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Re: McMan and Ralph and Myco-Tek [Re: night train]
    #406147 - 09/27/01 11:57 AM (22 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: McMan and Ralph and Myco-Tek [Re: McMan]
    #406283 - 09/27/01 01:47 PM (22 years, 5 months ago)

i guess what psilocyber said kinda stuck. that *adding* mushrooms to the pic does misrepresent the strain and its fruiting capability. and if it was just the same pic, and not mirrored and tampered with using photo editing software, then yeah- thats not misrepresentation.

as far as it being the "same", i think mushroom john should be the one to say whether or not theyre the same. looking at them, or using inferetial information about how a strain grows is far too inaccurate a method in determining they are the same. they may have been collected from the same island, but mj was the one who labeled them as such and seperately, and im assuming for a reason.

youre replacing pb with plantasia on the spore division? why start this with ryche? i mean, it is a strain he has exclusively offered up to this point. its not an issue of "copyright" on spores or any legal shadow about who offers something or not. far from it- in my eyes its a moral issue. yes, morality. there are things that i just think are not right. a strain that is in wide circulation, b+ for example, i have no problem with that- because its in wide circulation and part of the community "consciousness" as far as a strain goes. but taking a strain thats exclusive to one vendor and offer it- now i dont agree with that. i mean, what if someone started offering 3m's malabar strain a month after he released it (if he were still in business)? is that acceptable? it was a strain hed collected personally, had worked with and refined- would that be okay? from ryche's site, it does seem he was the one the strain passed down to, and with permission, from the original vendor- and looking for this strain personally for a while, i *know* he was the only one to offer it. now, if ryche said its okay to sell this strain out- thats different imo, and i apologize. but as for now, i think its wrong to offer a strain thats exclusive to one vendor on another vendor's site. and the $ issue is irrelevant- if someone wants it, they can get it thru other means besides a vendor if they cant "afford" the higher cost or go thru the original vendor. by having it "sold"- the original owner loses the ability to collect the money for it. trade are different; end users are different than vendors. thats what exclusive strains are- a hook to get a customer base. when another vendor undermines that... i just dont think thats right. there are very few strains out there that i would call "exclusive," and removing an exclusive strain from the marketplace... again, i dont think it should be done.

do i think you all are crooks? no, far from it. i like you both. but i do have a problem with the things listed above.

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InvisibleMcMan
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Re: McMan and Ralph and Myco-Tek [Re: oscill8]
    #406335 - 09/27/01 02:23 PM (22 years, 5 months ago)

by that reasoning, they shouldn't be offering pink buffalo or puerto rican either.



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Re: McMan and Ralph and Myco-Tek [Re: Anonymous]
    #406375 - 09/27/01 03:08 PM (22 years, 5 months ago)

i dont know the history behind the pr. i know ralph and sporeworks had it about the same time; sporeworks as a vendor and pr's from the fsr. i do believe ralph had them 1st. i dont know who supplied them or the history behind them- so i cant say anything about that and didnt.

but the pink buffalo- mj sells his prints to the vendors at a pretty high cost (relative to the "normal" costs of prints individually sold to customers at the end-user level), knowing full well they will be grown out and resold to the public by these vendors. imo, he "sells" his exclusivity to them thru the high cost of the prints, and enters into this bargain freely. if ryche sold the plantasia to ralph for say, 100$, or sold it knowing he would be offering it as a srtain from his selection, then i think ryche has no cause to complain. but buying it at the end user price (at the consumer level- last time i checked, $10 at thehawksye.com) and reselling it as a vendor- THAT is a problem and was the point of my post.

i understand some may disagree, but i feel pretty strongly about the "exclusive" strain argument, as far as it goes in this community. so, anyways.

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Re: McMan and Ralph and Myco-Tek [Re: McMan]
    #406425 - 09/27/01 03:39 PM (22 years, 5 months ago)

my problem is not with the strains, but as the trying to fool me. i held my silence waiting to see what went on. yes, an apology, but still mcman, you keep trying to fool me (us, the community). that photo was manipulated. nothing was removed. it was all added to it. you have the skills, but just not ingenious enough.

not having a pic of a strain is okay. mislabeling one for another is wrong. mislabeling one, altering it and adding to it... tsk...tsk... what can i say? a small scam--because there is no other word for it. people here trust vendors. they do so much they trust in what they send and they even give away their own home addresses to them.

there is no point in keeping lying stating that it was just different harvest time. its a lie. not only that but all the mushrooms in there are in the same original pic (which is the one in which Una placed the "red rec").

thats what pisses me off. and everyone that says that its okay to do that, fuck you! theres no point in lying. if you stand by something, stick to the truth about it. and if you fuck up and admit that you do it, admit it completely!!! dont keep saying that you just took a different picture of a different time... thats not true. thats sad.

two questions:
what kind of software do you have and what kind of camera?
it has a really nice resolution, right?

now, about the strain naming, aint the location more of a reference? when i see species named around, they are usually like this: Psilocybe cubensis (Earle) Singer--being the first two parts the species name, and the last part the collector/s. so in the case of me being right, then the habitat equals the strain.

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Re: McMan and Ralph and Myco-Tek [Re: oscill8]
    #406439 - 09/27/01 03:55 PM (22 years, 5 months ago)

since yours is an extremely technical arguement, let me be technical in responding.

true sw and ralph had em at around the same time... ralph was not a "vendor" at the time sw first offered them.

also true of pink buffalo and ryche.


BTW osc, you'll make a great lawyer. (sincere)

Edited by Bill_Woodruff on 09/28/01 01:19 AM.


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Re: McMan and Ralph and Myco-Tek [Re: Anonymous]
    #406454 - 09/27/01 04:05 PM (22 years, 5 months ago)

all I'm saying is perhaps this should've(no such thing as) been handled in private.

maybe y'all could buy your own HT ad with the slogan "we don't have fake pictures"

remember when everyone was behind them getting the ad? we wanted some competition to save the community from the evil capitalist.


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Re: McMan and Ralph and Myco-Tek [Re: NuShroomPharmerII]
    #406478 - 09/27/01 04:32 PM (22 years, 5 months ago)

i still think that if i got my print from mycotek, the print should be labeled with the name of the *collector* and the place of collection, as that keeps more control over which particular strain it is...

if you cultivated it, that does not change the properties of the species.
maybe someone with a background in this might be helpful, as its making me really curious. i dont doubt you nsp2, i just want the fact. 8-)

i do remember a post looong ago in which somebody asked (in general forum) to identify some mushrooms that he bought.. mj jumped in the thread to say that the correct way to label that mushroom (which many other said was EQ) was Psilocybe cubensis (Earle) Singer.

other examples:
Psilocybe bohemica Sebek
Psilocybe caerulescens Murrill var. caerulescens
Psilocybe cyanofibrillosa Guzm?n and Stamets
(maybe hunting together that day?)
Psilocybe subcubensis Guzm?n (Koh Samui, Thailand)...

from here ----> http://mjshroomer.yage.net/species.html

thats where i got those id's from....

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