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Invisibleoscill8
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Re: I Demand The Truth About McMan [Re: ]
    #412266 - 10/03/01 08:56 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)



since the pic issue arises again- what was accused was not just substituting the pic for another. it was manipulation, mirroring and adding which started all this.

anno may be breaking am laws, but hes under the radar of us officials. the accused threat would put him on their radar. do they care now about some guy overseas selling gelly-slices on the internet? no. will they care once its shipped to the police/us atty's office? maybe.

mcman has contributed a lot. and what he has been accused of needs to be seen in light of that. but sometimes, prior good works are overshadowed by something else more recent and more heinous. what the community as a whole decides what is important- that is the standard by which he will be judged. reading this thread, it seems that a threat of police action is more important and overshadows his technical and personal contributions to the OMC. its about comm. standards, and choosing what *we* think we value most. seems our safety and liberty tops off that list, and as lana has said in her post - i hope vendors remember that.

Edited by oscill8 on 10/03/01 09:57 AM.



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Re: I Demand The Truth About McMan [Re: oscill8]
    #412289 - 10/03/01 09:15 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

KS and KS pink buffalo are the same shroom.
Using the available technology to promote your products is not wrong. Selling a PF as a GT would be wrong.
And I agree with you that threats are bad. Even EMPTY threats. Playboy airbrushes their pictures, go complain to them about FALSE ADVERTISEMENT. Or just don't buy Playboy. Victoria Secret does the same thing, and they are selling products. Bras with no nipples showing through, but when your girlfriend buys it, NIPPLES NIPPLES everywhere?
It is the age of Technology, and I have no problem with that!!!
Apparently you do!!! And so do alot of other people here!!!
I have no problem with that either.
Mcman doesn't even run the spore section of the site, weren't you just defending Ralph in another post.

McMan please make a public apology to ANNO, so all this SHIT can pass over. I know you aren't gonna Rat him out to the cops, and I am pretty sure ANNO knows this too, but he needs to hear it from you!!!
And all of you vendors stop misrepresenting Spores as strains, they are SPORERACES. A strain would be illegal to sell in the USA. LOL
Peace Teonan


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Invisibleoscill8
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Re: I Demand The Truth About McMan [Re: ]
    #412305 - 10/03/01 09:35 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

changing what a potential buyer sees is wrong. what you can see in the pic above is the supposed pb is a prolific fruiter, and grows those bunches like in the pb pic. my problem is not the pb/ks bs, but that someone has altered a pic to make it look like one strain fruits particularly well. sure, its the same pic, but cut and pasted together, then cropped, to imply to the viewer that this is the flush the grower got. and if you believe the pic was altered, than it is NOT the result of the grower/vendor.

now, the airbrushing model thing. i dont buy women when i buy playboy. i buy pics of women, and take it as much that theyre not real- airbrushed, siliconed, whatever. but a pic - as much as ive said is simply illustrative of a strain of mushrooms - is different. i will actually have in hand something which may produce something like the pic. and the pic above implies it is a heavy fruiter- that the vendor got this dense growth, when he didnt (if you believe the cut & pasting above). (and if he cant, can i?) this is different than the women argument- 1st b/c youll never own the women or anything more than their image (they themselves are not the product, but their image); and 2d- the reasoning behind the vic's secret thing (the digital manipulations) is not the same as the reasoning behind altering the ks/pb pic. the vic's secret pic is not used cause i want to hide my nipples in a bra- if i did, the product would be made so you couldnt see them. vic's secret and others manipulate pics for reasons other than the actual use of their product (to follow your example, decency etc.)... but whats the reasoning behind the supposed alteration here? to imply certain things about a product that are not true (such as its fruiting capability). will my 1/4 lber look as shiny as the pics at mcdonalds? prolly not- but will it have everything in it thats on the pic, and will it be 1/4 lb? yes.

as for ralph, i was not attacking ralph. if you (or anyone) didnt catch the post mcman made before the threat/letter thing- he said ralph knew nothing about the digital cam mirroring/whatever. he said ralph did not supply the pics. and he said ralph did not have a hand in designing the website. my post above was made with that in mind- and if i was not explicit in acqutting ralph (in my mind at least) of the issues raised in this thread and my posts- i apologize. but i dont believe ive said anything, negative or otherwise, about ralph= and dont want anyone reading this thread to think i have anything but respect for him.



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Re: I Demand The Truth About McMan [Re: ]
    #412307 - 10/03/01 09:37 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

>I know you aren't gonna Rat him out to the cops, and I am >pretty sure ANNO knows this too
Do I know this? How can you be so sure? Do you know McMan? Have you spoke to him personaly about this?

Well, I have enough of this shit.
As from today no orders for cultures and spore prints of psilocybin producing mushrooms are accepted from the USA anymore. All orders with the postal date after the 3rd of october won?t be fullfilled or anwered.
So don?t send them, or you will loose your money.

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Re: I Demand The Truth About McMan [Re: Anno]
    #412366 - 10/03/01 10:48 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

Now that is the first Rational thing I have seen posted!!!
I wouldn't worry about the spores, but to each his own!!!!


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Re: I Demand The Truth About McMan [Re: oscill8]
    #412412 - 10/03/01 11:36 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

You have also implied alot from the manipulated picture.
And when a bra is pictured in a catalog not showing nipples, wouldn't that imply I was purchasing a bra that did not show nipples. How is this not the same thing? It is a product for sale, that is misrepresented!! Your assuming that I know Victoria secret does this for MORAL issues, just like you are assuming MCMAN altered the photo for misrepresentation.
See I am aware that the only thing that seperates KS-PB from KS is the substrate it was found on in the wild. They both come from the same region, and they both are being sold as spores not cultures. So a whole lot of assumption must take place to be so angered by the photo. I think there is some behind the scenes vendor war at play here. With all the parties being guilty. This does not justify any threats that were made!!!! And I hope MCMAN returns to apologize publicly.



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Re: I Demand The Truth About McMan [Re: ]
    #412465 - 10/03/01 12:28 PM (22 years, 6 months ago)

This thread has gotten off subject many times, how did it go to McMans pods? So I'll add one additional note off topic. We have grown out the thailand pb and the thai ks many times and they are indeed 2 different strains. McMan started this rumor they are one in the same, maybe he got 2 thai ks prints mislabled to begin with.
Ours were original prints brought back from thailand 2 years apart. The original specimans were printed by John Allen 2 years apart. Yes, they came from the island of Koh Samui, all of the current thailand strains out did. The 4 we carry all show different growth characteristics after growing them out many times. The Ks grows the fastest of all the thai strains, and grows much thicker and shorter then the thai pb. And I have about a dozen pics of the thai pb I just have not posted yet. From 2nd generation all the way up to the 4th. I can say with 100% assurence our thai ks and thai pb definatly show many different characteristics.
Ok..sorry off topic... shoot me.

The issue about McMan is not the fact of he is a competitor. Personally I'm glad they have that banner on High Times because that takes business away from a big scammer we all know of Spore Trading Post.
The issue of McMan is his behavior here in the community, mostly againts other vendors lately. which many of us are sick of bullshit. A lot of it we let go for a long time and new bs from him just keeps coming up. Do I really want another vendor here with all these shady actions, absolutly not.

As for Anno and cultures. Personally I dont see how cultures are illegal in the early stages. Psilocybin mycelium of several species does not produce psilocybin/psilocin until the primodoria stage. If he is sending out cultures freshly made, they are not going to produce priomodoria for several weeks if at all on agar. Just a thought.

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InvisibleFloydster
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Re: I Demand The Truth About McMan [Re: Ryche Hawk]
    #412915 - 10/03/01 08:15 PM (22 years, 6 months ago)

I believe Anno 100% He has contributed a lot to the Shroomery, and unselfishly. If he was threatened, this is wrong. Right on Camel, the public DOES deserve to know the threats made against Anno. Yes 3D the silence appears to say all. That is a good point as well Ryche.


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Re: I Demand The Truth About McMan [Re: Ryche Hawk]
    #412983 - 10/03/01 09:02 PM (22 years, 6 months ago)

I have seen mushrooms growing in the same field that when cloned and cultivated looked different and acted differently. But I certainly would not refer to them as different spore races. I wouldn't use the time frame as a judge of their uniqueness. Are they growing in the wild on different parts of KS? I was under the impression, the only thing that seperated the KS-PB from the standard KS was the substrate they were found growing in. Thanks for the correction, Ryche. Maybe I should pull them both out of storage and take a looksy!!!
Peace Teonan
And I don't think it was off topic!!!


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Re: I Demand The Truth About McMan [Re: Floydster]
    #412989 - 10/03/01 09:06 PM (22 years, 6 months ago)

This thread has gotten very off track and I feel it's "useful" life has been exceeded. I am closing this thread. If you don't like it--tough shit!! You can cry about it and I can even call you a WHHHAAAHHBulance. If one cares to post a new thread pertaining to the new direction--feel free.
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<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small"><EM>Edited by dioze1 on 10/03/01 10:08 PM.</EM></FONT></P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small"><EM>Edited by dioze1 on 10/03/01 10:11 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

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