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Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out....
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I'm just curious, if I got involved with a vendor here at the shroomery to make money for myself, how would you all feel about that?

If I did, should I step down from the website? Should I let Anno/3dshroom run the BB without me and continue to do behind the scenes stuff for the main site?

I'm just a poor boy and I've been given so many offers in the past to do something, and its honestly something I'd enjoy doing since I could work from home...

I understand the conflict of interest, but what are your thoughts on me getting into a vendor business?

Your responses will definately have an affect on my decision, I hope we can keep this civil and respectfull... Please no flames, I know some will want to flip out over this :tongue: 

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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Thor]
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Haha.


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Thor]
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meow?

Thor a vender?
...so confoozed

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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: PGF]
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i say go for it:)


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a hollow understanding trapped me
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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Thor]
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if you want the shroomery to remain "pure" in principle, then you would have to step down. it would be like if the president of the usa was an OIL dealer. oh wait, the prez is an oil dealer.


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Thor]
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go for it thor.....you receiving this transmission...........you got it!!!!!.................peace


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Incognito]
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  Just my 2cents Thor babe..... You may not be able to be objective in your duties on the board, however, if one has to make a living than I say first things first. Priorites babe. Maybe its time to take a smaller role on the board, so that you may have more time for biznes ventures. I dont post much, but I do read. Have a nice day. :laugh:

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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Thor]
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Go for it Thor!
Seriously.

I am sure you would enjoy the opportunity and the personal financial gain.
No need to step down as admin of the Shroomery.
The present behind the scenes vendor influence here can not be seen by many.
An admin/vendor of the Shroomery would be a public service in a way.
It would make the not so obvious to some obvious to all.

It would also remove some of the pretence that the vendors do not influence what goes on here. You could put money in your pocket and at the same time enjoy the joys of vending in the omc while being an admin at the grand old Shroomery.

The Shroomery has become a bastion for vendor profiteering off the members here.
Some people do not realize the large sums of money that this market generates.
You may as well cash in on the market yourself.


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Thor]
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I think that you have always seemed pretty objective, except for your obvious appeal to mushmush. But then again, vendors like mushmush have contributed alot to this site through sponsorship. So the fact that this site does tend to favor some vendors over others makes sense. I mean this site has always been a little anti-PF, but I don't see PF threads, my own included, being deleted. I understand that PF would not be a favored vendor here because they do not sponsor. I think it is the crackheads like PGF and Smack and Joshua and the mods who really constitute the shroomery and you thor merely make sure it works in the morning. I personally would have no problem with you being involved with a vendor. I think that it might even contribute something more to this site as long as you can remain impartial. And by the way, thanks for picking up where Ythan left off, you have done a great job.


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Thor]
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The simple fact that you would even bother to ask our collective opinion says something about you Thor... I say do it! I've only enjoyed this hobby for a little while, but if I could work from home doing something I loved and have that as my livlihood, I would do it FOR SURE!

Peas & Good Luck, whatever your choice...

Slo


Edited by sloluva (03/27/02 07:53 PM)

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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Thor]
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Hi Thor,

I have been visiting this web site for a couple of years now and I recently became a registered member but I still haven't posted anything yet...

I think you should do whatever is best for you and if you need the money then who gives a f*** if anybody else flips out. (Other jealous vendors probably)

You should not let somebody elses opinion stop you from making a living, we all need money to survive.

It's your decision and it's nobody elses buisness right? Plus if it's something you would enjoy doing go for it. I wish I could work from home you lucky basterd !!!

You sound like an honest person to me and thats important when you're a vendor. Whoever you're thinking of getting involved with would receive a very good advantage.

Perhaps it would be a good idea to step down and let someone else who is equally qualified as you are run the Shroomery someone we can all trust as much as you.

This is only my opinion and I hope others respect it and I'm not trying to kiss anybodys ass.
I'm sorry for my spelling mistakes I'm french...

Take care.


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Thor]
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Thor this board is fun and enjoyable but lets face it.. it didnt buy my Lexus sitting in the driveway. I love the site, but if you have a chance to go into business and you trust the partner then I say go for it. Make some money and have fun.


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Thor]
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As long as you tell us who the vendor is it shouldn't be a problem. At least that way people will know if you're playing favorites or not. If you just say, "I'm working with a vendor who shall remain unnamed," I don't think it'll fly.

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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: EchoVortex]
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I have a pretty good idea who the vendor is.

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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: EchoVortex]
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Well,

My guess would be Dimitri.....since he is opening a Canadian side to his business. :wink:

Good luck Thor.....everyone has to do something for a living...why not something that you enjoy.....plus you have to put food on the table.

Am I correct with my guess ? :smile:

Just don't play sides in Wars and you should be fine.... I think you do a wonderful job here as an Admin..... I'd hate to see you go. 


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Laterz, Road

Who the hell you callin crazy?
You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch!

Brainiac said:
PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Thor]
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Administrating the Shroomery must be difficult as it is, if it weren't for you and 3DShroom, it would not likely even be here. Not having Vendors as Moderators is one thing, but your responsibilities go far beyonf that.
You are the only one that can decide if you can remain impartial to the other Vendors and still Admin the board.
Personally, I believe you could. You must do what is best for you in the long run. I do know your dedication and efforts to the Shroomery will be missed if you do decide to step down.

Good luck and all the best in whatever you decide.


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Thor]
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Well at least you have earned some credibility, unlike some other vendors who just pop up like mushrooms with a cheap webpage and price list.
I trust you won't slander the competition, fill the site with cheap spam and little contests or post under puppet names!
As for remaining as admin of the shroomery, that might be a little tough to juggle as it is a conflict of interest.
Will you be helping dimitri in his flame wars?

good luck!

Good luck!

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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Shdwstr]
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Firstly let me say how much I appreciate all the positive feedback! I was very worried about the impact something like this could have on my reputation... You people kick ass and I so much appreciate the support, it means a great deal to me :blush:

Its now reaching 1 year since me and 3D took over from Aphex. I think that for those of you who've gotten to know me, that the Shroomery is #1 to me in my life, I love this place and I have made many friends through this site.

I feel strongly that I could remain impartial, I consider all the vendors here my friends and I would not ever do anything shady or dishonest against them. So for the conflict of interest, I personally believe that I can stay 100% true to the Shroomery always. Even if I strayed at all there is always my trusted side kicks anno and 3dshroom to stop me from abusing my power.

I'm honestly shocked at the response, I posted this just before I went out with some friends, and even they noticed I was quite stressed out tonight.. When I got home they all stood around me as I opened the thread and we all rejoiced at the obvious positive response here.. I feared the worst and you all proved me dead wrong...

My sincerest thanks, you all rock :smile:

PS... Yes Dr. Bluethumbs Canada is opening soon.
phrozendata: I would never grow in my own home, I will get the spores elsewhere :smile: 

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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Thor]
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Can we say goodbye to 'santa'?


YOU'RE CANADIAN SPORE VENDOR TO THE WORLD!


Edited by CaptainMaxMushroom (03/27/02 09:50 PM)

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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Thor]
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I say if you wanna be a vendor, then go for it......

However I don't think you should be playing such a big part in the shroomery's life if you do decide to go through with it. The conflict of interest is too great in my opinion. Your influence as a leader of the biggest mushroom based web site, is a little too easy to abuse when you become a vendor. I just have fears that the shroomery will become center for your business. My .02 cents.


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Thor]
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With the exeption of that jackmeoff fool, all these kids
are soooo naive or they are vendors and are not really part of this community.

Thork, you should know better. Do the right thing.
Where's the voice of reason? Where's crobih and Senor_Doodie and
the other people who used to care??

It was pretty tricky of you to just post this here where the vast majority
of regulars would not see it. You're crafty-sneaky. I hope you do what you know
is right. I'm pretty sure you won't though. Good luck making money fool.



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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: jonnyshaggs420]
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Trust me, that won't happen jonny.


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: PGF]
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PGF Profit is not a dirty word


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: SouthernGent]
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Aphex is rolling over in his grave.

OTD censorship of discussions
Handing out passwords to untrustworthies who delete part of the board
3D going into members private areas and changing settings, possibly reading PMs
Repeated public begging for funds
and now
Administrator vendors

It's all good though.


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Thor]
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In reply to:

I'm just curious, if I got involved with a vendor here at the shroomery to make money for myself, how would you all feel about that?


I would feel like you have a huge conflict of interest.

In reply to:

If I did, should I step down from the website?


Yes. Why should you ask a question you already know the answer to?

In reply to:

I'm just a poor boy and I've been given so many offers in the past to do something, and its honestly something I'd enjoy doing since I could work from home...


Isnt doctor dingleberry the one that says he doesnt make money from his vermiculite sales? How would it become profitable when split 2 ways?

In reply to:

I understand the conflict of interest


You obviously do not or you wouldnt consider keeping both jobs.

This is more proof that you dont need administrative skills or even common sense to be an administrator here.

For all the yes men that replied to this thread:

From: Jay (dfwcja@hotmail.com)
Subject: Dallas Fort Worth Circle Jerk (214, 972, 817)
Newsgroups: alt.sex.masturbation
Date: 2000/01/30


Hello. This message is for those who might be interested in joining the
Dallas-Fort Worth Circle-Jerk Association. This group is forming for men
who, obviously, enjoy a good circle-jerk with other men. If you are under
18 years of age, or if you aren?t interested, then just move on.

My name is Jay and I?m relatively new to the Dallas area. I come from Fort
Lauderdale where I was able to be a part in forming a large circle-jerk
association with nearly 175 active members (not all at once, but wouldn?t
that be fun!). For those men who find pleasure in such activities, it is a
tremendous organization. I hope to do the same in the Dallas-Fort Worth
area. I have an information sheet that will be sent out to all that
respond IN EMAIL to this message. That sheet will detail the rules for
being a member and ask you for data so that the association can be
started. If you have friends who might be interested, then pass this along
to them as well. I hope to hear from you.

Email: dfwcja@hotmail.com

Jay



Southern Gent: I expected better from you




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Free ass juicings with every fart suck!
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Edited by AssHumper10K (03/28/02 06:50 AM)

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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: AssHumper10K]
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AssHumper I gave my best and honest opinion bro. If Thor wants to be a member and a vendor more power to him. I wish anyone trying to make a living good luck.
awwww hell youre right. Hit me with a juicer.


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: SouthernGent]
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The point is not whether Thork makes money off the unenlightened masses. The point is that a vendor should not have any say as to how the site is run. That line seems to have been crossed already. So go for it Thork, your public demands it. If AH10K didn't love the smell of ass he would be overwhelmed by the smell of all the fart suckers in this thread.


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Asses Humped for a reasonable price. Ask about our financing program!
Free ass juicings with every fart suck!
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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Thor]
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Isn't it interesting that the most negative responses come from the ones that like to raise the most shit around here. I guess they are just running "True to Form". Consider the source. :smile:

Good luck in the New venture Thor!



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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Shdwstr]
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It is these people who will never be happy unless we are giving them everything for free.

I truly believe that Thor is mature enough to seperate the differences between running the board and acting as a vendor.

It has been noticed by all that these socks have not been around the whole time the vendor forum was fully moderated but showed up only a few days as it became known that the admins had stopped the full moderation of this forum.
Go figure


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: dimitri211]
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Post deleted by administrator.


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: dimitri211]
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First of all I am not a sock. Second, Posts were made by me when it was moderated. A small percentage made it through. It seems only bottom smooching is allowed in here now. The truth is optional.

Edit: Thirdly, I wouldn't take your stuff for free. I have no problem finding the things you sell in the store. I get free lab supplies from a friend so I dont need any of that crap either. The issue isnt making money, its right and wrong. What Thork has cooking is just wrong.


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Asses Humped for a reasonable price. Ask about our financing program!
Free ass juicings with every fart suck!
See the amazing pencil farm!

Edited by AssHumper10K (03/28/02 08:55 AM)

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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Thor]
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Could someone please explain the relevance between thor being an admin AND a vendor. i don't see how it matters at all. as long as he doens't start bashing other vendors or refuse to put up their adds, then i fail to see what the big deal is. i mean, i was confused as to why he even asked. you want to sell prints. good, sell prints. whoopty doo.


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Wonder had gone away, and he had forgotten that all life is only a set of pictures in the brain, among which there is no difference betwixt those born of real things and those born of inward dreamings, and no cause to value the one above the other.  -- H.P. Lovecraft "The Silver Key"

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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Thor]
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Thor, I am really glad you will start that bussines. But, I would rather see you doing it with 3D and Anno.
If you where admin and vendor together, you would have to run this server as you allways runned, if you want good for your site...the best commercial of you.

Otherwise, if you become vendor, even if you wont be admin anymore, you will have too much power. 3D will ban people for you as he does now.

So, my opinion is: be admin and vendor together. If you fuck up that thing, your greed will blow up shroomery. That would be bad thing for your karma. You know that.

PGF, Ive heard that you are banned. I agree with you, but you forget that in this way we will never ever again have to see all those shit like :we need money, help us.

Max, yes, thor did something for shroomery and he has right to profit from it.

good luck and unban pgf, because it is bad thing for you and your reputation.

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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: AssHumper10K]
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Enough said


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: dimitri211]
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And what exactly does a joke about cat piss have to do with this doctor sub-genius?

Do you people want oil companies deciding what the future energy needs of this country are? This is the same animal.


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Asses Humped for a reasonable price. Ask about our financing program!
Free ass juicings with every fart suck!
See the amazing pencil farm!

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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: dimitri211]
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dimitri enough said what? AssHumper never admitted to being anyones sock.. the guy posts here all the time. if he's a sock then who's? I think Ass and Jackmeoff are both just members and guys who post here and like to have fun. They see thru the bullshit and know what is really going on is all.


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: AssHumper10K]
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'Do you people want oil companies deciding what the future energy needs of this country are? This is the same animal.'

why?


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Wonder had gone away, and he had forgotten that all life is only a set of pictures in the brain, among which there is no difference betwixt those born of real things and those born of inward dreamings, and no cause to value the one above the other.  -- H.P. Lovecraft "The Silver Key"

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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Link]
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As long as the advertising rates at The Shroomery do not suddenly "skyrocket" than I don't see much of a problem. Yes I admit I am a little dis-easy about it but as long as there is not an attempt made to drive the competition away then everything should keep running smoothly.

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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Link]
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I answered you in a pm, but since you are camping this thread I will attempt to explain this to you. Put down the gameboy for a sec ok?

The reason the oil companies deciding energy policies is wrong:
They sell oil. It is their business to sell oil, not to look for alternative sources of energy. We all suffer in the long run because of this type of short sightedness.

In short, as has been said too many times to count in this thread "IT IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST"

The one selling stuff shouldnt also be the one making the rules about selling stuff. Understand? If not ask Gannondorf to explain it to you.


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Asses Humped for a reasonable price. Ask about our financing program!
Free ass juicings with every fart suck!
See the amazing pencil farm!

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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: AssHumper10K]
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Ass I agree with you on that part. I was operating under the assumption that Thor was going into busiess which means he would no longer be involved in setting policy for the Shroomery. Hope this clears up my position.
By the way Ass I d like to inquire on a financing plan for a AssHumping for that dude Ganja shroom


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: SouthernGent]
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My first customer! (although I did a couple freebies for doctor dingleberry when I arrived here. How quickly they forget.)
PM me.


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Asses Humped for a reasonable price. Ask about our financing program!
Free ass juicings with every fart suck!
See the amazing pencil farm!

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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: AssHumper10K]
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where are the spore distribution rules? i've never heard of these.


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Wonder had gone away, and he had forgotten that all life is only a set of pictures in the brain, among which there is no difference betwixt those born of real things and those born of inward dreamings, and no cause to value the one above the other.  -- H.P. Lovecraft "The Silver Key"

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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: AssHumper10K]
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ooooh, ok. i get it. 'They sell oil. It is their business to sell oil, not to look for alternative sources of energy' they sell spores. that's their business. it's not their business to look for alternate ways to grow shrooms. ways WITHOUT using spores.......

ok, maybe i don't get it.........

Link


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Wonder had gone away, and he had forgotten that all life is only a set of pictures in the brain, among which there is no difference betwixt those born of real things and those born of inward dreamings, and no cause to value the one above the other.  -- H.P. Lovecraft "The Silver Key"

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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: AssHumper10K]
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PGF, you have way too many puppets.


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: 3DSHROOM]
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Link you are fucking hilarious. Me like Link.

Would you freaking calm down asshumper10K? You have a good point but attacking everyone on this site so viciously is not going to make you any allies except for SouthernGent who seems to fear your asshumpings so much that he even changed his mind in a 180 degree manner on the subject.

A better analogy for this than oil companies would be a GM of an NBA team who was also the league commish. You would think that he would have a bias towards his team. Of course he would. But even in that situation there would be very little that he could do to favor his team without it being so obvious to everyone else that he would not be able to do it. And don't forget there is also 3D and Anno. And the Mod's. And don't forget that while it is easy for you to flame all day long about this, because you are technically right, that this is a unique environment with unique needs. Who the hell else is going to Administrate this place with the objectivity that thor has shown? You? It isn't exactly like people are lining up for the responsibility he has. And if they were, they might be doing it to further their agenda. Thor already has a track record of being fair and honest.

In my opinion, Thor should give it a try. If things start getting fucked up and the other vendors call foul then he relinquishes his duties here. I mean if I start coming to the shroomery and seeing thor's company on the homepage everytime in big brite letters I am going to stop coming and I think alot of others would too and I think thor knows that and doesn't want that. I think it would work out, if only for the reason that it is thor and there will always be people like you to keep everything in check. You are necessary, a dickhead, but a necessary dickhead. People like you and PGF are the ones who keep this place from becoming one big giant asskissing festival to the admins and mods.


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Ali-G
www.boyakasha.co.uk

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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Thor]
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My concern is not people's impressions here, as anyone willing to take the time can find other vendors. But I worry about people who want the shroomery to be taken down will be able to use such an association. At least in the US there are people who don't think you should be sharing how to grow mushies. Now if they can show that you are profiteering off the venture (or even imply it), they have a lot more room to bring the board down.

Case in point:The Hive. These guys got burned, because the guy running the board was also distributing supplies.

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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Thor]
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Wow this is such a tough one to comment on. Thor I think you've done an outstanding job with the Shroomery in the last year as Admin. You and 3Dshroom both have.  I would really hate to see you step down from being Admin.
At the same time I would not like to see a vendor as an admin or moderator. no vendors are moderators, and an admin has much more power then a moderator.
It?s been that way for a long time here, for as long as I've been posting here some 4 years or so, I've never seen a vendor be a moderator or admin here that I can remember.


Although I also have seen you are a stand up guy, very fair and thoughtful in your decisions.
Eventually it?s going to be hard for you not to be biased towards your own spore business, its just human nature.

Many think it?s only the other vendors that are going to care. Well to some degree that is true. It?s us other vendors that support this place and help pay most of bill.  www.thehawkseye.com pays $150 every month here, about twice all the other vendors are paying so naturally I'm going to be concerned. I even just donated $500 towards the new server we will all be enjoying soon, so yes I really care about the future of this place.
And one of those concerns is that we have admins that are fair and neutral to the spore & supply business side of it.
I personally could not stay neutral and unbiased if I were a mod or admin here. I even asked for my name to be pulled when
a voting poll was going on for a mods here last year.

Now I realize Thor you need to make more money. Who doesn't want more money that needs it. I was broke while I was going to school also. I know the feeling :crazy:
What ever happened to that idea I gave you about polling all the advertisers from High Times to put banners here?
High Times themselves charge a good $600 to $2000 a month for banners on their website.
I can?t see how that idea would not work. Especially when banners here are much cheaper. This is a counter culture website and High Times, Cannabis Culture, Heads Magazine, they are all counter culture mags full of advertisers looking to get there product out there to people like us.
If you poll all those advertisers certainly many of them would bite and pay to have their banners on The Shroomery.
Just some thoughts to help you get more money. What banners are here now are paying the monthly bill right? And that $$ figure will get cheaper soon with the shroomery on its own server. So if you bring in more advertisers, then it starts becoming prophet for you. Then we no longer have a conflict of interest of you being a spore vendor/admin etc...

I think you?re a good person Thor and of course I want good things to come to you, especially some financial gain if you?re going through some tough times right now. But being a vendor here with Dimitri is a huge conflict of interest with other vendors and the simple fact that vendors are not admins or mods here. Instead neutral to it.
I defiantly don?t want to see you step down from being Admin here. You do a great job with it. I just hope there is another resolution to this to help get you more money.

As I suggested to you a long time ago. Raise the prices of what you?re charging for banners. $75 to $100 a month,  is not unreasonable. Getting more advertisers here, not just mycological related vendors could certainly bring in a lot more money and solve your financial problem.

I don?t know what more I can say. You just need to follow your heart and do what you feel is right. I would really hate to see you step down as Admin. At the same time I would really hate to see another vendor as admin or moderator here, no matter who it is. Even our beloved Workman :smile:  Maybe you can do it unbiased for a while. But its just human nature you will favor your own business over time.... me thinks. :tongue:
But just so you know, I'll stand behind your either way weather I agree with it or not.







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If Thor was to become a vendor he could use a different nick so that the admin status doesn't have an effect on people's decisions on who to buy from. As LeGrouper said, if he was to use his status to help his own business, it would clearly show to everyone and he would be called out on it.

I know Anno and myself would not let him do anything of that nature. Thor has said that he would give up his duties as an admin of the BB so that there would be no way for him to get an unfair advantage over other vendors. I'm sure Anno, myself, and all the mods can take care of it on our own.

I think he could restrain himself from abusing his power but I can see how many people wouldn't like for this to happen.


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Wow, you're a smart fucker ryche. I am ordering from you now. That was the best post here by far. I think that just about sums it up. That is a good idea to get more advertisers and make a little money off of that. I think the admins should be able to make some profit off of the ads, especially if it helps to keep thor around and keep him impartial. This place is growing all the time and is becoming a place where advertisers should really start paying more attention. I have ordered stuff from trippy store, a place I would never have known about had I not seen it here. But I still think it wouldn't be that big a deal if thor was mixed up with a vendor.


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I think djfrog makes an excellent point. A bit paranoid, perhaps, but it never helps to be extra paranoid. If your commercial activities draw the attention of LEO that would surely give them ammo to bring a case against The Shroomery. I don't know why nobody picked up on his point, but I think people should discuss this seriously. The chances may be slim, sure, but we'd all have a lot to lose if that's how things turn out.

I change my mind: I think it's much better in the long run to keep the two activities separate. I'm sure you'd make a fantastic vendor, just as you're a fantastic admin, but it's probably in everybody's best interest that you don't be both at the same time.

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I don't think its paranoid at all. We can't predict when the shit will hit the fan, but when it does, game over. Its very important that those who take a public position "to help stop the spread of dangerous misinformation related to psychedelic mushrooms" can withstand scrutiny not just from friendly members of the community, but those who would do the community harm.

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Sooner or later a board and its members have to govern themselves. I was on a board where there was so much inner fighting, people stopped posting and new members hung around long enough to say, "this sucks". This board is'nt an oil company. If Thor fucks up, hopefully, his friends will be good enough friends to set him straight. Are there rules against what Thor wants to do? He asked for opinions now the choice is his the same way the choice is yours, as to whether or not you will hang/post on a board where the admin is also a vendor. If anyone feels THAT strongly then maybe they should start a new board. (Thats what ultimatly happened on the other board I was on). I will say THIS......for those of you who don't agree with Thor's decision to become a vendor, if you choose to stick around, just don't piss and moan about it, OK? That would be a real drag for the rest of us.

Edited by Kitten2 (03/28/02 05:48 PM)

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djfrog you are wise beyond your years.

You, PGF(Crobih), AssHumper10K, and Crobih(PGF) have made me see the light.

How could I have been so blind?

Could it have had something to do with seeing this as bringing the blatant hypocricy that is always under the surface here out on the table for all to view. Could it have something to do with seeing the bullshit for what it is and haveing an appreciation for cutting thru said bullshit. Could it have something to do with seeing money go into Thor's pocket caused me to briefly overlook the fact that I am concerned for those who know no better, the children, yes and even the idiots who can not see the situation for what it is here and also for same who can not see the real dangers to this site and to the members here that are present and real.

Could be!

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In reply to:

www.thehawkseye.com pays $150 every month here, about twice all the other vendors are paying so naturally I'm going to be concerned.

I wish that were true Ryche. THE LITTLE GUY pays $120.00 in advertising per month plus donations on top of that.

Edited by boxtop703 (03/28/02 06:29 PM)

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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: JackMehoff]
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I got a better solution to the whole problem Thor goes on and makes a fortune in his new business venture, and I SouthernGent buy the Shroomery and raise advertising cost commensurate with the number of hits the site gets and market banners to the high times guys hence bringing more info providers to help us all. Sure I get wealthy, Thor gets to make some money, and Anno would be promoted to Vice President and chief Moderator. Life is good.


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The natural concern of Reich is duely noted.

Considering he has made HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS
from members here over the years his $150 is money well spent.



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Be patient Mcman i ll be negotiating new ad rates and spots soon.


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Here is where Reich (or somone) points out all of Reich's generous contributions to paying for maintaining this site over the years. Conveniently failing to mention that the Shroomery was hosting his site all those years and provideing him with countless potential customers all at the same time. Congratulations go out for paying the rent while at the same time provideing an outlet to make some serious bucks off of the members here.

In reply to:

I for one would pay top dollar for a spot there.



I bet you would!!




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No link, you dont get it. Dont you have buttons to mash?

No I am not Pubescent Genitalia Fondler. Keep guessing.

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Rock On Thor!


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: 40oz]
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Thinking again, I remind mysel on time when I suggested thor to be a vendor. Now I am interested in one thing. Is 3Dshroom interested in that bussines? Does he know how much money he is loosing with no participation. Is 3D in some kind of a deal with Thor? What?

These are the reasons why shroomery.org should sell spores. The ones who own the site have the right to profit from it.

Otherwise, if thor becomes vendor, 3D will soon feel bad about the bussines. Money shit will involve in running shroomery and shroomery will get into the new crisis.

Nevertheless Thor knows too much and too many thing that brang admin position to him. If he becomes vendor, even if he finishes his admin job, he will be in positions for low scores.

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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Thor]
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i think that if ya wanna bea vendor -go ahead-
but you shouldnt run things so much here-
just my opinion-
isnt the shroomery a non-profit org?
im sure they can get a huge tax write off for being a non profit org-
just dont let the 2 get confused-
it could come back to haunt you-


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Thor I support you in whatever you want to do.. Skimming through the poasts I disagree with 3D in that you may need to give up your administratorship to keep things fair.. (if taken out of context my bad).
I have long thought that you and the other admins could be doing MUCH more to make a buck or LOTSof bucks with THE LARGEST MUSHROOM SITE on the internet.
I would bet that you could have your pick of just about ANY vendor to team up with if you wanted and I believe that you wouldnt put your name on a shadey product nor would you tru to sell something to us shroomerites that you dont aprove of just to make a buck. I believe this is the case anyway and I hope its true..
So just what is it are you thinking of doing? Im currious now... Maby I should go through and read all the 46 posts in this thread and find out if its their...?


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wow, assmuncher. your arguments are irrefutable. i'll step down now.......

Link


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Link]
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How about only saying something when you know what you are talking about ok?

In reply to:

ok, maybe i don't get it.



You remember saying that? You do? If you did youd realise I was agreeing with you and not arguing. You dont get it and probably wont. Tell me this funny guy, what is this about? Do you know or are you just having fun?

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Thank you for clearing up the non-profit thing psilocyber, I was about to say the same thing.


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No, it was here too. I sent emails to a bunch of them but nobody was really interested.


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You advertise on High Times website?

This was a couple months ago that he suggested it to me. I just reloaded their page and contacted all the companies who's banners I saw. I didn't see your's and weren't you already advertising, so why would I need to contact you again anyway?


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Thor]
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hi thor... you know i think youre a good admin here, so none of my comments should reflect anything otherwise. and my comments may not be worth much, as i dont grow mushrooms and i also havent purchased anything from a vendor in quite a while since stopping. so, with all the caveats, i think i have a problem with you maintaining admin status as well as becoming a vendor- but not for the "oil man" theory... (that having competing interests- wanting to make money thru vending, as well as running the website without the impulse of making money- basically the conflict of interests thing most have spoken about). i honestly believe you would not consciously use your power as an admin to alter anything regarding business. but, as it is a perception problem (and many have noted it), i note it as well ...

the problem i have is that you would be "the shroomery" selling products. you can remember many times where people have asked "why doesnt the shroomery sell (fill in the blanks- spores, products, etc.)?" and in becoming a vendor and maintaining your admin status, thats exactly what it looks like. that people will be buying product "from the shroomery", as you are a figurehead of the shroomery, and i would say that you are the "de facto" corporeal representation of "the shroomery"- not leaving 3ds or anno out, but this isnt about them). you would be filling the void of people who call out for the shroomery itself to be a vendor, while in reality you would not be (as moneys wouldnt go to the shroomery, etc.)

put another way: the fact you are "the shroomery" means that your business will have the added "publicity" of being run by this website, whether or not its true- its not something you can avoid by just saying "no, there is no problem." and those who may not have been around as long (newbies, those same newbies we always try and look out for in these hypothetical situations), or dont pay attention to the petty bs that often happens outside of mushcult, wouldnt know that you were trying to wear "2 faces"... (janus). people may buy b/c they are buying something "supported by the shroomery." they also may think that the shroomery has added its "seal of approval" to your business, while i dont believe the website has ever had a definitive stance on any vendor (except for removing some from the vendors page for old links, etc.) and really may ahve an effect on other vendors and their market for potential customers.

it should also be noted for those who havent been around as long or dont remember- that the community felt the opposite regarding ralphster's position as a MOD and as a vendor... here we have more of an issue regarding sales and ADMIN... just another thing to think about. why is this different? in r44's case, no one thought he would be "bad", just that perception was enough to not allow him to wear 2 faces at the same time. (i consider r44 a friend, i hope he doesnt mind me bringing this up now, many months later).

an ancillary problem: people may buy b/c they think their purchase affect the running of the site (by "sponsoring" the site thru purchases). they may incorrectly peceive that they are helping the shroomery thru purchases. i know this could be fixed by saying "none of the money you spend will go to the shroomery," but that kinda sounds silly, you know? and perhaps not something you want to put on your site, since no other vendor posts on theirs- "we dont give any money to the shroomery," either- so perhaps it wouldnt be fair :smile:

also... (and this is not a critique, but a concern i have for you) one thing that REALLY concerns me about the possibility of selling supplies while still being the "figurehead" of the shroomery thru admin status is the obvious (to me) parallel btw what you are suggesting and the hive incident many here know about. that idiot was trying to play janus as well, but kept his business and running of the hive separate. from what i remember (i cant find the story archived anywhere, which i find disconcerting now) was that he is being charged with conspiracy - supplying the chems (business) and supplying the information (books and website with extensive how-to and live help) equals committing the crimes himself, even though he didnt put the 2 together himself. every time someone "created" mushrooms from the info on this site, with products you supply...there is a worthwhile analogy there with the hive.

i think this is a valid enough issue to post here- i hesitated but think that its something everyone who sells/caters to the drug production community (which, is what we are... as many times as we like to say "hobby", etc.- to anyone else we are a website dedicated to the dissemination of information regarding the production of an illegal drug.)

if youre serious, and this is something youd want to do (hold on to admin status while running a business selling cube spores), then id check into speaking to an atty versed in us & canadian laws- and follow their advice. i think the hive case sets a pretty bad precedent, one id hate to see you follow unwittingly. also, since i believe that the server is located in the us, and since the majority of users here are in the us, there may be enough jurisdiction for the us to get involved (with their draconian laws on cubes, and also with their newfound interest in "drug websites" and the "drug war"...) It could open up others to liability who live in the us & maintain the site as well; so i think that the others you share admin status with should also weigh in on the subject, and consider this point if they havent yet. and, i dont want you to be supporting terrorism (joking, but its gotten pretty bad down here... drugs are evil here now, dontcha know).

what kind of business will you run, btw? just more for my own curiousity than anything... good luck in whatever venture you may choose, and i hope it works out :smile:

osc.

ps, since ryche's tips were a little in line what i was thinking- ill post mine as well. i think that the best "business opportunity" available to you right now is here- since you have almost everything you need (congrats on making enough for a new server, and to the winners of the raffle)... except perhaps more manpower and a more expanded frontpage.

1) Create more click-thru revenues for the shroomery by becoming and maintaining affiliate status with other websites. I think that receiving a direct percentage for affiliate linking may help the shroomery in the long run; instead of running flat-rate banner ads, why not look into the possibility of a sliding scale banner ad pricing system, where at one end you ahve the basic flat-rate, and the other you have a lesser flat-fee coupled with a percentage of linked sales? Or perhaps switch to a direct percentage deal with vendors, along with a (lower) flat rate fee. Ex.- flat rate of 150, or percentage-based 75$ plus 10% of gross sales generated thru this site. or, turn it all percentage based, and pray the members of this commuity will go thru affiliate links to support the shroomery's upkeep.

1a) Related to #1 above- i think ryche is right in that other stores should be looked at for possible revenue- not just banner ads, but affiliate links. There are many stores that shroomery members shop at, and not just for spores. I still think an amazon.com page would be awesome- 15% of sales for their books would be enough revenue to justify creating a "shop at amazon.com books page" with the obvious staples- tmc, ggmm, etc. here or at the opening page of the shroomery. Also, you could reserve the right to edit in people's posts affiliate links (if they posted about amazon, the shroomery reserves the right to edit in their amazon affiliate link in place of the typical amazon.com link). this is often the case on other bbs' - where the admins reserve all affiliate linking rights to themselves. several websites have affiliate-status available, usually just look at the bottom of pages for affiliate linking.

2) This may be unpopular with vendors, but... Dont let anyone advertise here unless they pay for it. Thats right, no "I'm selling spores, etc." unless they have paid you advertising fees. Yes, it sounds harsh. But, the upstarts who want to sell supplies/spores/etc. have to realize that probably their ONLY source of advertising is here; hence all of their sales are from the shroomery. If they werent, theyd be posting/selling all over the place, but HERE is the only place where a vendor can find a buyer for his cube spores without any cost to himself. (Otherwise, theyd have to run ads in high times like pf and mycotek, theyd have to create domainname.com websites that look reputable enough to buy from, and theyd still have to advertise thru other sources.) I think its totally fair to restrict outside sales to those who support the shroomery FINANCIALLY. otherwise, theyd have no mass of people to sell to in the 1st place. I say openly that i have no sympathy for "the little guy" (NOT the vendor, but the *everyman* little guy) who wants to sell something and wants to sell it here for free. it doesnt work that way anywhere else, in real life or the internet. i know this place is supposed to help people etc. etc., but without financial support (and also to turn a profit, so admins have something to stick around for), there would be no shroomery after a while. no incentive to run it, means no one whod be good enough to do it. "goodness of their own hearts" only lasts so long.

3) Exploit the new relationship the shroomery has cultivated with overgrow; what help, information, etc. they can give would probably be worth far much more than any advice you could get from anyone here (since theyre actually doing it- running a successful "drug" website that turns a profit. anything i or anyone else say is speculation, since we actually dont run one). that site is AMAZING, and many of their dealings with revenue building are similar to what i have suggested above (no outside vending, no vendors selling without overgrow gaining from it, etc.) I think that the admin over there could be a HUGE untapped resource of info on how to get this place to turn a profit, esp. since theyre also in the unique position of running a site that distributes information on illegal activity. just from looking at it, and the number of sponsors they have- they turn a profit. (they also are way more advanced though, creating new "magazine" articles every month, etc. - which i wouldnt expect the admins to do here every month unless tey were turning a profit on this place.) but, wouldnt it be great if this place could do well enough that no one would worry about it going away thru capriciousness, or lack of funds?

*caveat to comparisions w. overgrow/mj growing sites- they make more money b/c their hobby costs more. you could feasibly grow a flush of mushrooms for about 30$, where growing mj (with proper equip., not fluoros) costs several hundred. so the analogy of revenue building thru a percentage-based affiliation with vendors wouldnt be as great. but if you look at their banner ads, not all are seed vendors. most of their banner ads are from businesses run by people WHO NEVER GO TO THE SITE- where here, youve just allowed the vendors you know to place ads. you can tell theyve done some extensive marketing of their "business", which it is, since it does turn a profit.

*second caveat- mj is way more accepted in mainstream us culture than mushrooms are. (analysis based on public policy regarding the 2- mj has had a medical initiative in several states, while psychoactives of any kind are seen as "dangerous" drugs and have no open supporters anymore.)

4) Consider outsourcing the advertising to a professional. this is just a thought, but a site with as many hits as this place does, and as much activity, and by such people the advertising community would love to attract (young white males)- the site may have enough "potential" for a professional to really vamp it up (site revenues). perhaps just a meeting with someone in the field would give the money-making issue a whole new light.

5) etc etc... ive taken up too much time and space.

good luck, again, and best wishes on your choice.   


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Well said.

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Great post osc... why did you stop growing fungus by the way?


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>I still think an amazon.com page would be awesome- 15%
>of sales for their books would be enough revenue to justify
>creating a "shop at amazon.com books page"

There in fact exist such a book store, and it can be found here:

shroomery.org/books


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Wow... nice (but long) post Oscill8.  You made some really good points and ideas.
I really do think the key to the shroomery making more money is to get more advertisers in here.
And charging a small fee for every click thorugh is not a bad idea. Say perhaps 2 to 5 cents per click.

As for the few of you complaing about me haveing my banner in the best forum, the cultivation forum. Especially you McMan (Mycotek Service) I have one word for you LOYALTY.  I'll say it again LOYALTY !! For many years.... LOYALTY.

Helping out financially for a long time, even when there were no banners here including mine. I wont go into all the details but I've been helping out here for a long time. And what about you McMan, back before your Hydrapod you were peddling some other growing chamber here for many months.. the TMC. I brought it up to you about donating money here since you were here making money from it. And you wanted nothing to do with helping out financially here. Not to mention you were also offering Thor bribes to have all my posts deleted and a bunch of other sneaky shit like threatening to have Anno busted. And you have been BANNED from here how many times ??? Probably more then anyone else :smile:
And now your asking to have your banner rotate with mine.  Your just full of surprises.

It wasn't until recently that Thor rasied the prices on banners. They were like a mere $40 for a long time. I've been badgering him about that for a long time to raise the prices.
Ya gots to pay the bills here somehow :smile:

I really hate to turn negative for a minute but this needs to be said.
JackMeHoff.... aka.... PF    You think I've made hundereds of thousands of dollars over the years from the shroomery your smoking to much crak again. I'm far from rich from a spore business and have struggled with my bills many times over the years.
In case any of you have not figured it out yet or dont know,  JackMeHoff is none other then PF himself using his sock puppet. I've known his game for a long time... trust me its him.
The flame wars stopped between us a long time ago. But why do you keep taking jabs at me every chance you get.
I avoid that shit when I see something negative about you. For the last 4 months ever since you opened that JackMeHoff account all you ever do is come here and say negative shit about other vendors and the shroomery.  Everyone feel free to dig up his posts for the last 4 to 5 months in the venor forum and you will see what I'm talking about.
You know we could really do without your cynical sarcasm around here.  Can you please keep the negative comments to yourself so we can avoid flame wars again.

All right back on topic. I would say Thor has a lot on his plate to swollow.  He's always been very considerate and thoughtful and fair for the omc / the shroomery as a whole. So I'm sure whatever he decides it will be done with a pure and honest heart.
But if you do decide to step down as Admin, can you clear some of the riff raff out of here first :wink:


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Very good post Oscill8 :smile:

Like usual you are wise and true.

I honestly am still unsure of what my next move will be, I was eager at first to get into a business, but I have been talking a lot with friends 'online/real life' that have been giving me their 2 cents as it were.

I can't say one way or the other what I will do, maybe re-vamping the AD structure here is a possibility, I do know a decent bit about what vendors make and yes its pretty sweet for many of them. I don't however want to be unfair and charge outrageous AD rates just because the Shroomery is so important to them.

I feel it is my first priority to take care of the Shroomery over everything else. I've put in one year now (yay, happy anniversary Thor/3dshroom!), and I don't want to walk away when there is so much going to happen this year.

I find it interesting that the majority of you were very polite and respectfull in your responses. Considering how sensitive this issue is, I sincerely appreciate how respectfull most of you have been.

Its interesting but after I posted this I've had a lot more offers than I would have ever guessed, but I guess others see me as a possible big boost to their business and I can't blame them for being interested.

I will give myself this weekend to make a decision about my future, because I honestly find it very hard to see myself leaving the shroomery, I love this community and the last thing I want right now is to leave her :blush: 

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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Ryche Hawk]
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I don't want the PF wars here at the shroomery, much respect to you Ryche for the years of support.

PF is what he is, he did innovate our hobby and he has been rewarded for many years because of it.

I don't see any positive for PF, Ryche, or anyone else to battle each other. We can all co-exist and prosper together and really the battles are often about EGO and nothing else.

If I have to give up the shroomery to do any business, I will not do it. I have made it clear that this place is my focus and always will be.

I see many changes forthcoming for this website, and I want nothing more than to be a part of those changes. I'm thankfull that many of you supported me in this possible decision, but I really have to give this some more thought.

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Yep you have eared respect from many us Thor :smile:

I dont want any more flame wars with PF either. I havn't for a very long tme.
So knock the bullshit off already PF (JackMeHoff) and lets keep it peaceful.



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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Ryche Hawk]
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Sorry Ryche, whether true or false, "So knock the bullshit off already PF (JackMeHoff) and lets keep it peaceful." is a flame nonetheless-
peace

roy


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Ryche Hawk]
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He isnt PF Third Ryche. I know this for a fact.

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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Ryche Hawk]
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Umm Ryche, anyone who actually spends time on the various omc boards know who Jackmehoff is, and it definitely isn't PF. Just wanted you to know that. Peace.

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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Ryche Hawk]
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I really hate to turn negative for a minute but this needs to be said.

Reich once again your delusions of PF puppets remain amuseing. Everyone who tells the truth about you is a PF puppet. This has been your standard accusation for years. I broke it down for you once here allready and my post was DELETED by Captain Jack and this was applauded by Thor. Your LOYALTY (MONEY) is appreciated here. It has bought you censorship of those who would tell the truth about you. It is no surprise that you would want to silence those who know the truth about you.

Yes anyone can search my posts for the truth. I encourage it for anyone who is interested in the truth about Reich and other 'vendors' here. EVERYTHING I have posted here is the truth. I encourage searching Reich's posts for the truth as well. It would take a long time to wade thru his bullshit but the truth would emerge. Many of his early posts here may no longer be available. All of his posts on usenet over the years are available. The fairy-tale front Reich presents is far from fact.

Let's look at this LOYALTY again. Are you denying that your LOYALTY has made you HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS here over the years? If so you are LIEING! This LOYALTY resulted from the FACT that the Shroomery was hosting your site all those years while at the same time provideing you a customer base to hypnotise with your never ending campaigns to seperate them from their money. The Shroomery has been your main outlet for pimping your spores, bullshit and fake karma. If you are far from rich from a spore business and have struggled with your bills many times over the years, you should stop smokeing crack. In case any of you have not figured it out yet or don't know, Reich is a master of bullshit and seperateing members here from their money. I've known his game for a long time. Trust me, or better yet, search for the truth yourself. The truth is a mater of record.

You know we could really do without your deceptions around here. It would cut into your ability to seperate the members here from their money, but people like me who can see thru your BULLSHIT wouldn't have to speak up.

All right back on topic. The admin here needs to look at this site for what it is. ALL of the points Oscill8 so eloquently made are valid. If the admin here couldn't see these things already that says alot. ALL of the 'vendors' here need to be treated like what they are: businesses that come here and in many cases make LARGE SUMS OF MONEY off of the member base here. The Shroomery should be compensated accordingly for provideing the customer base of these revenues. ANY 'vendor' who is truely LOYAL to the Shroomery would place a premium on this site over thier own "prophet"-Reich?2002

Reich and other 'vendors' here have made the admin believe they are their friends. Some may actually be their friends. It is in the best interest of the Shroomery to see the situation for what it is. If these 'vendors' are friends and have any genuine LOYALTY to the Shroomery they will do the right thing.

I won't hold my breath.


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Anonymous]
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Now we are talking!

You see, this IS about business and about the money generated here.
If nothing else, you do not pretend not to realize or benefit from the "prophet"-Reich?2002
this market generates for the 'vendors' here. I am sure you know this profit well.

Considering your past actions and what you have shown yourself to be,
who could blame the admin here from passing on your offer. None the less,
business is business--a proposition is on the table. One which other 'vendors'
might like to have a piece of as well. Whether it be from LOYALTY to the Shroomery
or in REALITY for the $$$$ generateing potential from the traffic this site generates.

Unless Reich's LOYALTY is more to his own financial gain than the beloved Shroomery
how can he continue his long standing monopoly over the premium add space here.

Regardless of anyones "LOYALTY" the Shroomery shoud by all means capitalize on the full market potential that the add space on this site represents. Deal with 'vendors' for what they are: businesses here to sell products to the members here useing this site as a vehicle to do so.
Some of the vendors here are friends to the omc. Some only pretend to be. Business is business.


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i think this thread has strayed far enough.

please get back to the topic at hand....


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Not a bad post McMan.. I m sure that post will encite a I love the mushroom gods and spitualistic reply.


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Anonymous]
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When I own the Shroomery Mcman all vendors will have equal access to purchase ad space.


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Thor]
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Thor, How are you paying yourself for your admin duties?
I didn't think this was a volunteer job but I may be mistaken.
I don't think the rest of us regular joes quite know the money aspects for us to comment. IMHO you should be paid a fair salary to run this place. This way you stay neutral and ya make a buck. Maybe that's against the rules.? I'm sure you will choose wisely.
just a member's 2 cents.

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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Thor]
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Thor,

I think you should take up myco on his offer....if you don't.....you would be a fool.

" I up my offer to $250 for a shared rotating ad banner space with the Hawk's Eye in the mush cult forum and I will donate 2 pods toward rasing additional funds for the shroomery. I would also be willing to donate a pod once every month as well. "

I think that is a reasonable offer....and the funds would help the Shroomery.

Vendor bias shouldn't be in the Shroomery's best interest.....making money to keep this place open and pay the bills should be the priority.

Just my 2 cents worth.




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Who the hell you callin crazy?
You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch!

Brainiac said:
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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Roadkill]
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Hold on guys. I don't know the deal Ryche has worked out to occupy that space but if he paid in advance for a "certain amount of time" then he has every right to the exclusive banner space. I just paid for 6 months of exclusive advertising in the contest forum and I sure as hell ain't sharing that with anybody. It's all about perspectives here.Peace.

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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: ]
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This thread makes you think about alot of shit.
What a mindfuck.
Who is the evil villan, and who is the superman.
What action constitutes sanctity.
What action says you are evil.
What is evil, making money and crushing the little guy.
Well I think not.
There are ethics in business. But becoming number one and exterminating your competition using methods at hand are what America is all about.
So to those who have formed a legal monopoly on whatever, I congratulate you.
My oppionon on Thor becoming a vendor is this; after reading the posted information, which is all I really know on the subject. It seems to me that becoming a vendor would only complicate things for you and the real money lies in this website.
You just need to harvest it.
You see all the vedors fighting tooth and nail for somthing you have power over.
I have a question for Ryche. Who was once nice enough to send me some free prints.
Are you currently struggling financially? And if so, why do keep yourself in business?

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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Anonymous]
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Mcman i m sure Hawk would never stand in the way of Thor and the owners here raising revenue thru ad space. Hawk isnt in it for the money.. He s in it for the Karma. The mushrooms will tell him what to do. I have read many archived post and know that Ryche could care less about money. He just loves the community. Me on the other hand I love the community but I damn sure would make a profit if I could.


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: SouthernGent]
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I have expressed my interest in a piece of that ad space to Thor in the past and am still interested. What McMan proposed seems like the only good business decision for the shroomery and himself.


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: bassplayer74]
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Well after a lot of thinking and especially after reading some really good advice from some smart individuals..... I have decided to not get into the vending business at the moment.

I want to focus on the Shroomery right now, and consider my other options later on down the road.

I'd like to thank those of you with the good words of advice, I much appreciate/respect those of you with so much class and maturity not to be getting into some pointless flames about this :smile:

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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: World Spirit]
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Thor, I applaud your work with the Shroomery. It has and always will be my favorite website. I think you should give the vendor thing a shot. You have just as much a right as anyone else to sell mushroom supplies. I give you the green light and say GO FOR IT!!!

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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Anonymous]
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My God enough rambling already McMan.  Give a man a chance to come back and catch up on the thread.

I got an email from Thor discussing opening up that forum, rotating banners,  to take you guys up on your offers.
Yes, that will generate more money for the shroomery and hopefully put a little prophit in their pockets
for all their hard work here. So of course it will benefit the shrooomery and I'm all for it.


And that one forum does not generate 90% of the traffic here. Give me a break. I think you guys are in for a real surprise.
And my asking for exclusivity to that forum was not based on just year old contributions. I just donated $500 cash, not spores, a month ago as well as other money in the past year besides my monthly contributions.  Anyway I'm not going to go into all that because its nobodies business except between me, Thor, and 3D.

But its obviously a good thing I brought the whole thing up about me paying $150 a month, because now all of you are offering to up the money as well to have your banners there. Its about time you all get with the program :smile: j/k

Anwway, Thor or 3D has not asked me to share that space with others until now. And Thor talked to me about it like a friend, which he is. So naturally I'm all for it since it will benefit the shroomery. So you accusing me of hoarding that space is a bunch of crap. We originally had an agreement between Aphex, Thor and myself and that agreement has been met as far as I'm concerned. So I'm all for rotating that space if it means you guys are going to buck up to the cause :smile:

As for JackMeHoff, he says all the exact same shit PF has been slinging for years. Same words, same writing style, even uses the same nick names for certain things PF did for years in ADM.  I've watched his threads for months, I know in my heart its him and that is where I stand on that. I still dont know why the mods have let him hang around so long when 90% of his posts are just negative instigating bullshit.

So I'm glad to see Thor is not going into the spore business and is going to stay focused on The Shroomery. That in itself is a huge benefit to us all :wink:

Now can we quit with the bickering and move on ??



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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Ryche Hawk]
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In reply to:

I just donated $500 cash, not spores, a month ago as well as other money in the past year besides my monthly contributions. Anyway I'm not going to go into all that


Looks kind of like you already did, as usual.

Does PF live in Georgia? PF is an asshole but even they can see the truth.

That is true, "Thor" is not going into the spore business.


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: AssHumper10K]
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No.....PF is in the Seattle area.


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Who the hell you callin crazy?
You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch!

Brainiac said:
PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: Roadkill]
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It would be tough for him to be Jack then. AssHumper has been to Jacks house in GA. We humped some girls in the ass. Then one of them Jacked Him off.

Almost forgot...lolz

Laterz, Ass


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: AssHumper10K]
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Now thats a party the Gent wants to attend.. a party with Ass10K, and Jack... i d do 5 grams then get to fuck some chick in the ass and get jacked off to boot ... wow what a grand day that would be.


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Re: Thor a vendor?!?? Check this out.... [Re: AssHumper10K]
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Road wants to come party in Georgia.....lolzzzz


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Who the hell you callin crazy?
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Brainiac said:
PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.


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