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Fuck the "Law"
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the law is worthless...

telling us what not to do...

instead...tell us what is possible...

"it is possible for someone to murder you, what we try to do is prevent people from murdering." to me that statement is more effective.

Consequences are somewhat ineffective at detouring anything....instead state the possibility and what can be done about it to prevent it.

Edited by TameMe (10/28/05 01:16 AM)

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Re: Fuck the "Law" [Re: TameMe]
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Just make a bunch of illegal drugs legal and I will be happy.

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Re: Fuck the "Law" [Re: TameMe]
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TameMe said:
Consequences are somewhat ineffective at detouring anything....instead state the possibility and what can be done about it to prevent it.


On the contrary, positive reinforcement is proven to be less effective than negative reinforcement.

What if your theory was put to use, and I just happened to stick up a bank and kill all the witnesses. With no consequences, not even a slap on the wrist, I'd bankrupt the world.

:evil:


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Re: Fuck the "Law" [Re: TameMe]
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TameMe said:
the law is worthless...

telling us what not to do...

instead...tell us what is possible...

"it is possible for someone to murder you, what we try to do is prevent people from murdering." to me that statement is more effective.

Consequences are somewhat ineffective at detouring anything....instead state the possibility and what can be done about it to prevent it.


And so the pendulum swings. Every 35 years or so, the system changes. Right now, we are in a punishment mode. Soon, we will be trying to rehabilitate again. Maybe.

Sometimes we think that the consequence of jail time will right the world's woes, and then other times we think that if we "fix" the criminal, he won't commit any more crimes, and that will fix the world's woes.

Maybe if there were fewer laws, there would be fewer crimanals. j/k. That's bullshit. We need laws because there will always be people doing things to hurt others, or society. (Are we on our way to another forum???)


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The day will come when, after harnessing the ether, the winds, the tides, gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.  -Teilard

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Re: Fuck the "Law" [Re: Frog]
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Frooooooooog-Geeeeeeee. Welcome back!


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Fuck the "Law" [Re: TameMe]
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You must work within the heirarchy system or be outcasted...

Its all about money and power, the system only appears to care for the welfare of the sheep.

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Re: Fuck the "Law" [Re: Ego Death]
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What law?


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Re: Fuck the "Law" [Re: TameMe]
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Come on. Lay off the bullshit rebel cliche. Everybody knows why there are laws.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Fuck the "Law" [Re: Gomp]
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Yeah, no kidding. "Law", eh? Sure, it's nice people don't kill me in my sleep. I like there being legal recourses of action when I have disputes with employers or landlords. But frankly, there are plenty of unjust laws I regularly disobey, and I'd think less of myself if I didn't violate these laws. The trouble is 'unjust' is such a relative term. And lots of people disagree with most other people on just what constitutes a law so antiquated it can safely be disregarded. Would we be better off without law? Probably not, let's just do away with cops instead.


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Re: Fuck the "Law" [Re: TameMe]
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"They got the guns but we got the numbers."

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Re: Fuck the "Law" [Re: TameMe]
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has anyone mentioned, the law of no laws?

having no law, is the law, where as you break the law, simply by implementing it..

it's just like life.. :P

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Re: Fuck the "Law" [Re: Gomp]
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The only true laws are the laws of physics. I'm not saying there shouldn't be consequences....I'm just saying we should talk about them the way we do. Don't tell someone not to kill...tell them we will try to stop them and possibly kill them first.

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Re: Fuck the "Law" [Re: TameMe]
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you cannot trust in law, unless u can trust in cops. if u can trust in cops. just make everyone a cop.

*points to sig*

or... u cannot trust in law, when there are no cops around...

or.. if a pigs flys over the ... wait... forget the last one.


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"You cannot trust in law, unless you can trust in people. If you can trust in people, you don't need law." -J. Mumma

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Re: Fuck the "Law" [Re: TameMe]
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TameMe said:
the law is worthless...

telling us what not to do...

instead...tell us what is possible...

"it is possible for someone to murder you, what we try to do is prevent people from murdering." to me that statement is more effective.

Consequences are somewhat ineffective at detouring anything....instead state the possibility and what can be done about it to prevent it.


Nothing is worthless. It's just all we (most people) can handle. Yet it is used too often by the powers that be for fear control to steal the freedoms that life has offered us.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Fuck the "Law" [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
Come on. Lay off the bullshit rebel cliche. Everybody knows why there are laws.


:thumbup:

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Re: Fuck the "Law" [Re: TameMe]
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Perhaps it is not earth-justice, what shall enforce our positive laws for acting.
Earth justice is hear to prevent the negative actions.

To enforce positive actions is perhaps a different topic, not connected to earth-justice ?

So, you are free to act positive, if you want, but you will be bound, if you will do harm, by societies means of justice.

(I know, I am an optimist there :grin:)


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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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