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Humans and laws
    #1496250 - 04/26/03 06:13 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

As more and more humans colonized the earth and formed societies, it is normal that laws were installed, allowing people to live together in an organized manner.

Sometimes I ask myself: "In my perfect world, would laws exist?"

No. In my perfect world, laws would not exist. Note that this does not make of me an anarchist, because I believe in living without laws in a world of love, sharing and peace.

However, this would require drastic changes in the nature of man. I see laws as an effective remedy against the flaws and hateful instincts of human nature; and in my perfect world, those flaws (vengeance, desire, jealousy...) would not exist and no actions or rules would be needed to force men and women to act in a rightful and just manner.

Since we are not perfect, we need people to make sure things go smoothly.
We need to be organized and numbered, categorized and sorted.

We are not yet advanced enough to be totally independent. And since there are so many of us, we need to group, have leaders, laws and governments for the process to be taken to a larger scale without too many problems.


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Re: Humans and laws [Re: Meph]
    #1496266 - 04/26/03 06:17 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

wow....if we were pefect, and if we didnt have (vengeance, desire, jealousy...) we would be like robots. without negative emotions, we couldnt recognize the positive ones, and we would drone all day long and walk in circles because our existentialist angst would increase 10 billion times.


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Re: Humans and laws [Re: Meph]
    #1496292 - 04/26/03 06:25 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I see laws as an effective remedy against the flaws and hateful instincts of human nature

How exactly are they effective?


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Re: Humans and laws [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1496300 - 04/26/03 06:27 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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wow....if we were pefect, and if we didnt have (vengeance, desire, jealousy...) we would be like robots. without negative emotions, we couldnt recognize the positive ones, and we would drone all day long and walk in circles because our existentialist angst would increase 10 billion times.




Like robots? Not necesserily. A pure soul is not a robot.

Are you saying that it's our bad character traits that make us good human beings? Is the glass half empty or half full? I think you're just seeing it the other way around. The opposite makes more sense to me, but I'll let you explain.

And what use is there to recognizing our positive character traits if we have no bad ones?

Sure, mabye we should thank the rain for letting the sun come out once in a while. But I took the freedom of walking out of the limits of the possible. Rain will be there no matter what, it's part of the way the world works. But if things were perfect, the sun would never go away.


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Re: Humans and laws [Re: Meph]
    #1496312 - 04/26/03 06:30 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

im saying, if all our emotions and our mind was simplified so that we didnt have a choice between good and evil, if we didnt have these flaws, our lives would be pointless.

what is a pure soul? give me one real-life example. nobody is perfect or pure....and somebody was...it would be creepy.


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Re: Humans and laws [Re: Revelation]
    #1496342 - 04/26/03 06:38 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

I see laws as an effective remedy against the flaws and hateful instincts of human nature

How exactly are they effective?




You could put laws into two main categories: laws that exist to prevent accidents, and laws that exist to scare people from doing things that are considered wrong, such as stealing, killing and hurting others.

For the first category, the laws concerning road transportation are a good example. If you're doing 100mph on a 30mph street, an accident has more chances of happenning than if you had followed the law. That's why it's there.

A law that makes killing others illegal is, in my opinion, perfectly acceptable, looking at the world we're living in. There will always corrupted people killing for fun or for fame, and those laws are there just to prevent that kind of disaster from happenning.

If there were no laws, the world would be chaotic. There are too many bad people out there to tolerate anything and everything.


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Re: Humans and laws [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1496359 - 04/26/03 06:44 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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im saying, if all our emotions and our mind was simplified so that we didnt have a choice between good and evil, if we didnt have these flaws, our lives would be pointless.





There are many types of good and many types of evil. Are all good people the same? We'd still get to make choices even if we were perfect.

And what is the point of our lives, now that we have the choice between good and evil? I'm curious.

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what is a pure soul? give me one real-life example. nobody is perfect or pure....and somebody was...it would be creepy.





Well, you just understood my point. I said, "But I took the freedom of walking out of the limits of the possible. Rain will be there no matter what, it's part of the way the world works.". Meaning that I understand that there is no such thing as a pure soul. But it would be nice. I'm just dreaming out loud.

And I'm liking it.


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Re: Humans and laws [Re: Meph]
    #1496373 - 04/26/03 06:49 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

World without laws: People kill people.
World with laws: People kill people.


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Re: Humans and laws [Re: Meph]
    #1496375 - 04/26/03 06:49 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

if pure souls existed and we were perfect I would kill myself because of boredom. then I would go to heaven, which (in this reverse universe of yours) would be earth. then I would be in paradise....not that perfect-clean-hell you speak of.


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Re: Humans and laws [Re: Revelation]
    #1496381 - 04/26/03 06:51 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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World without laws: People kill people.
World with laws: People kill people.




I agree. But if a law can stop just one person from doing something bad, then, in my opinion, it's justified.

Sure, people will kill each other no matter what. But don't tell me it wouldn't happen more often if there were no laws...


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Re: Humans and laws [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1496384 - 04/26/03 06:53 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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if pure souls existed and we were perfect I would kill myself because of boredom.




So I guess you're the kind of person who's entertained by violent and gory shows on television.

If you think love is boring, you need to go out.


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Re: Humans and laws [Re: Meph]
    #1496385 - 04/26/03 06:54 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

no, im the type of person that is entertained by infinite freedom.


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Re: Humans and laws [Re: Meph]
    #1496388 - 04/26/03 06:54 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not sure about that. Couldn't it be argued that creating a law actually encourages people to break said law?


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Re: Humans and laws [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1496390 - 04/26/03 06:55 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

and the occasional vampire porn film


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Re: Humans and laws [Re: Revelation]
    #1496396 - 04/26/03 07:00 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm not sure about that. Couldn't it be argued that creating a law actually encourages people to break said law?




Anything can be argued.

Yeah, some people will see laws as challenges. But most won't. Not everybody is self-centered and too proud of themselves. Not everybody likes to prove others wrong for the heck of it, because it makes them feel good.


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Re: Humans and laws [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1496402 - 04/26/03 07:02 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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no, im the type of person that is entertained by infinite freedom.




Infinite freedom = no laws.

And a law-less system would only work in a world where people never do wrong. But you said you didn't want that, because it would be boring.

I smell contradiction.


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Re: Humans and laws [Re: Meph]
    #1496406 - 04/26/03 07:04 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry I thought this was a discussion board...


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Re: Humans and laws [Re: Meph]
    #1496408 - 04/26/03 07:06 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

"Infinite freedom = no laws"

what???? let me elaborate- by infinite freedom, I am describing the human mind, we can think of whatever we want and do whatever we want to do (physical laws abiding) this includes:

being a nice person and growing flowers

being a mean person and drowning puppies

im not reffering to social freedoms.


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Re: Humans and laws [Re: Revelation]
    #1496410 - 04/26/03 07:08 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Sorry I thought this was a discussion board...




It is...

Why don't you help me understand your point, instead of attacking me? That really seemed like a last resort, desperate post...


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Re: Humans and laws [Re: Meph]
    #1496429 - 04/26/03 07:19 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Okay. I didn't mean to attack you though :crazy:. (I really didn't)

My point:  Human nature is human nature. Why divide it into what we should do and what we should not do.  Why judge human nature in that way? 

Does the animal kingdom not function well enough without laws?


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